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Topic: Breaking the stereotype
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Solar_Leo_Queen Knowflake Posts: 2404 From: Planet Earth Registered: Jan 2014
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posted November 06, 2015 06:44 AM
As a fire sign, I always get excited when I meet other fire signs. However, I don't always seem to meet that many whenever I'm out partying or in social situations. It seems as if I only meet them when I least expect it, or through mutual friends (hence the abundance of Aries in my life), or through a class where we share a common interest.There has been this stereotype going around that we are super extroverted, attention-seeking, "life of the party types", but from my own experience, that hasn't been the case. Everytime I'm out at a social event or at a party, I always seem to meet more Taurus, Pisces, Virgos, Scorpios, Aquarius, and Libras. Okay, maybe Libra and Aquarius are social air signs, and Taurus can sometimes act like Libra being Venus-ruled itself, but the rest are often stereotyped as introverted and like to avoid social situations. I'm not even just talking about Sun sign. The chart of people I've met at these events are filled with feminine signs, most of which you wouldn't expect based on the sign stereotypes. I'm not saying this is a bad thing. It's actually good because it shows that we are not bound to our charts like we think we are. But this is just my observation. The Gemini suns and moons I've met aren't even as talkative or distracted as the stereotype says. Aquarians (the ones I've met) aren't as eccentric or as concerned with social issues as the stereotype says... with the exception of my best friend, since she has Sun conjunct Uranus. I feel like if I actually wanted to meet more Sagittarius, Aries, and other Leos, I would really have to dig deep into my inner passions (music, art, etc). We're usually just doing our own thing and not really going out looking for attention. I think the attention-seeking stereotype stems from the fact that when we're passionate about something, we want the whole world to see it and be passionate in it as well. Astrology is such a beautiful thing since it can show us our potential. But it's not always a bad thing to make something out of yourself that's completely different from your chart. Breaking the stereotype is amazing, and if you're able to do it, you're amazing, too Tell me guys about your experiences. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 9569 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted November 06, 2015 09:24 AM
quote: Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen: Astrology is such a beautiful thing since it can show us our potential. But it's not always a bad thing to make something out of yourself that's completely different from your chart.
I respectfully disagree with this... In my experience/opinion, you cannot be anything else than what your chart "dictates". You can experience different "shades" and nuances, as most things are on a spectrum, but I don't believe that you can be anything else but the things that your chart suggests. My experience with Fire signs is the opposite of yours - usually they do stand out and have a more "dynamic" presentation. But really it's a matter of each and everyone's natal chart.
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 13789 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 06, 2015 10:04 AM
When I read about Leos, I get the impression they are suave party animals that radiate confidence and are always smiling. Every single Leo I have known (and that's A LOT) is much more serious than that, and much less confident. But still there is that underlying...um, effusiveness??...that is going to show itself any number of ways.ETA: Or "dynamic," as Doux said. --- This for Capricorn: quote: Capricorn is not just the mountain goat, it’s the goatfish, a mythical creature whose aspirations are guided by inspiration and sensitivity, not the cold heart of ambition. The fish’s tail connects us to the cosmic ocean that supports all life and reminds us that none of us is truly alone. This idea connects body and spirit, which is the higher meaning of Capricorn. It is not the suffering human crucified on the cross of matter, but the divinity incarnated in each of us that rises anew, not only every year, but each moment with every breath of our lives. As usual, the true task is not to conquer the world but to conquer unconsciousness, to continue awakening like the coming spring to this eternal unfolding of existence.
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 13789 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 06, 2015 10:07 AM
^ Leo IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 7543 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 06, 2015 03:54 PM
I am a pretty quiet Fire sign - although I'm more outgoing now, than I was for a long time. I have also noticed that it's when I'm really happy, or really sad - either way, I can't contain the emotion - is when people really hear anything from me. I love things like instagram, where I get to post photographs (rather than talk), on facebook, for the longest time, I posted links to things that interested me, rather than talking about myself. I also loved it if conversations sprang up in the comments, though.I have a Gemini moon and can talk and talk if I'm with people I know well. I used to avoid the cafe in the bookstore, feeling self-conscious, and I still do at times - my accent attracts attention, so I try to keep quiet, unless I really need to say something, or speak without thinking. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 7543 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 06, 2015 03:59 PM
I was going to post something like this last weekend. I love synchronicity (when it's in a good or neutral situation). I've just remembered the thread that I started early this year.Aries isn't always on the warpath. Gemini isn't untrustworthy. Scorpio isn't cruel. Mercury in Aries is generally polite. Since my brain is so messed up now, that isn't always the case, and 39 years of politeness apparently doesn't make up for the last year of "I don't give a **** anymore". People will assume it's the you that's just been waiting to come out, when it's actually because of all of the poison that's been thrown your way for too long. IP: Logged |
Desiring Shadows Knowflake Posts: 2925 From: UNITED STATES, BABY Registered: Jan 2012
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posted November 06, 2015 04:01 PM
That's because the entire world is wrong.. They are literally all confusedNo offense but if you were going to look at an accurate astrology it's either sidereal heliocentric or sidereal Jyotish My new Aquarius(western) with an aqua Venus doesn't act at all like the weirdo stereotype... Which I actually like, sigh. He's pretty plain. But that con isn't all of him so I still love his guts. Do you guys think the chart systems I recommended sound like people you know? IP: Logged |
Desiring Shadows Knowflake Posts: 2925 From: UNITED STATES, BABY Registered: Jan 2012
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posted November 06, 2015 04:02 PM
A fun fact is I know a water dominant westerner who acts very SagittariusAnd me a very air dominant person who acts watery So yeah My little story IP: Logged |
Geminiyoungster Knowflake Posts: 383 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted November 06, 2015 04:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by Desiring Shadows: That's because the entire world is wrong.. They are literally all confusedNo offense but if you were going to look at an accurate astrology it's either sidereal heliocentric or sidereal Jyotish My new Aquarius(western) with an aqua Venus doesn't act at all like the weirdo stereotype... Which I actually like, sigh. He's pretty plain. But that con isn't all of him so I still love his guts. Do you guys think the chart systems I recommended sound like people you know?
I would like to experiment with that because I think sometimes my vedic is a little more accurate than my western natal chart says it is?
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Gemini Blues Knowflake Posts: 831 From: The future... or the past. I get them confused... Registered: May 2014
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posted November 06, 2015 05:20 PM
quote: Originally posted by Desiring Shadows: A fun fact is I know a water dominant westerner who acts very SagittariusAnd me a very air dominant person who acts watery So yeah My little story
I have Gem Sun Leo moon Scorp asc... I have 1 cardnal, 4 fixed, 5 mutables... I have 1 fire, 2 air, 3 water, 4 earth placements... I act like... ME. I'm the only me I know but I've met a few that were close...
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PixieJane Moderator Posts: 7255 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted November 06, 2015 06:27 PM
Houses make a huge difference.An astro-twin of mine almost certainly shared the same maternity ward with me. In my case, my air and fire overlapped with the houses (Libra tellium in 3H/air, Sag stellium in 5H/fire--with Leo ASC) so the air and fire are evident. But my astro-twin's Libra stellium was in her 10H (earth house) and her Sag stellium in the 12H (water) which muted these qualities about her. While there were similarities between us (we were both outspoken, for example), the energy/vibe (her air/fire was muted while mine was something of a metaphoric blaze, and she was so much more high strung than me), appearance, and the like was very different...I seriously doubt any astrologer who had been exposed to us for a week would've realized we'd been born on the same day without checking. IP: Logged |
polkadotstars Knowflake Posts: 463 From: Washington, DC Registered: Feb 2015
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posted November 06, 2015 07:10 PM
Yeah, maybe it has to do with other aspects and planets in their charts. You would never guess my dad is a Leo. He's super introverted, and pretty reserved. He only gets talking a lot when he's really passionate about something. He has zero fashion sense (hello socks with sandles). My mom swears he must be color blind because of his outfits. And he is definitely not the life of any party (love you, Dad!)But then again he is a Cancer moon and Pisces ascendant. With these aspects, he's quiet, loves nature walks, and he loves loves loves music. IP: Logged |
Seimei Knowflake Posts: 861 From: n2thedust Registered: Apr 2015
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posted November 06, 2015 07:17 PM
A stereotype is like a bucket full of holes to begin with, it carries nothing. How do you break what is already broken? the very word says not true IP: Logged |
theunknown Knowflake Posts: 2603 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted November 06, 2015 07:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: ^ Leo
He's a Scorpio moon tho.... Wondering if he's talking about himself ...
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bansheequeen Knowflake Posts: 1475 From: Beachville, USA Registered: Jan 2012
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posted November 06, 2015 07:50 PM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: I respectfully disagree with this... In my experience/opinion, you cannot be anything else than what your chart "dictates". You can experience different "shades" and nuances, as most things are on a spectrum, but I don't believe that you can be anything else but the things that your chart suggests.My experience with Fire signs is the opposite of yours - usually they do stand out and have a more "dynamic" presentation. But really it's a matter of each and everyone's natal chart.
Can't tell if sarcasm. If not, I am stunned. Such a narrow minded view. In my experience, the only people that really "fit" their charts perfectly are the ones that adopt astrology. Sometimes I even think astrologers are splitting hairs to MAKE a human being fit their chart. Oh and you dont feel like your ascendant, those doctors at the hospital MUST have written the wrong birth time amirite? Also, my ex is had his big three all in fire signs. He was so ridiculously introverted. A true wallflower. OH AND if we are going for accuracy here... why are we not using the vedic system, which uses fixed stars for reference instead of the western system that is relative to the earth.... eh IP: Logged |
Comatoes Knowflake Posts: 402 From: Registered: Jan 2014
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posted November 07, 2015 01:12 AM
I guess some assume every sign acts the same based on their own subjective experience. That is just one reason why astrology is frowned upon. Someone reads a cookbook on astrology than wonder why they don't sound like the sign they just read. Sometime I even frown upon it. If every sign acted the same, we pretty much don't need astrology, humans are much more complex than signs. I personally stay clear from any projected, sign bashing or stereotype astrology because it really makes no sense in the big scheme of things. Astrology is a symbolic language, it connects. Stereotypes only divides people because it's fear based. Astrology is all about connections and the relationship of events, that is the basic theme behind it. I will always say it but houses and aspects are the biggest modifier in a chart. I can use myself as a perfect example. I'm a Gemini Moon but I don't like talking that much unless it's something interesting, hate phones, will never own a cell phone, don't want people calling me every single minute for nothing, hate small talk, gossiping, Facebook and pretty much anything related to excessive communication. I don't even like forums that much, I visit here sometimes, but I don't hangout in forums. Communication is draining to me for long extended times (Moon quincunx Neptune). But I do love reading, books, writing and research. So I guess I like the more solitary forms of communication. My Moon is 1 degree from 12th house with Moon conjunct Mercury, Moon square Uranus and Pluto and trine Jupiter. I'm a Gemini Moon to the core, even in Vedic it never changes. I will have to check heliocentric though. When I know what I want, I can be very driven and focused, none of the stereotypical Gemini Moon's are flaky and jack of trades but master of none. IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 1835 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 07, 2015 02:37 AM
Most people I meet actually fit their astrological chart so well, it's uncanny. I never look at just the sun. The sun, the moon, the ascendant, the personal and outer planets, aspects to these, and the layers they add, etc, it all creates a unique tapestry that is the individual and it fits... Astrology is amazing. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 9569 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted November 07, 2015 03:12 AM
quote: Originally posted by bansheequeen: Can't tell if sarcasm. If not, I am stunned. Such a narrow minded view.In my experience, the only people that really "fit" their charts perfectly are the ones that adopt astrology.
I meant what I said. You are perfectly entitled to your own view, based on your experience. It just happens to be different from mine. And I don't think my view is narrow-minded, I think it is realistic (again, based on personal observation).
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aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 11762 From: Wankety Wankerson Registered: Jan 2012
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posted November 07, 2015 06:21 AM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: ^ Leo
He has saturn in the 12th IP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 11762 From: Wankety Wankerson Registered: Jan 2012
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posted November 07, 2015 06:40 AM
Here's my take on those of you who say people don't match their charts. I think you go looking for these dramatic stereotypes like the loud and vain Leo or the feminist aquarius with blue hair and when you don't see those you say "oh! They don't seem like an Aquarius or Leo". I see this done with Aquarius all the time and it annoys the crap out of me because I'm a double aquarius. I have even had a few people on this very forum say I don't seem like an Aquarius because I am anti-feminist. That's ludicrous because being a feminist is lamestream these days and aquas usually go against the grain and are Rebels. And it's the same with the outlandish clothes and styles! That stuff is fashionable and aquas like being different. I once had an older Aquarius man tell me that he used to wear earrings until it became fashionable for men to wear earrings. I think some of you miss the forest for the trees when you are trying to stereotype signs. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 11762 From: Wankety Wankerson Registered: Jan 2012
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posted November 07, 2015 06:48 AM
What I'm trying to say is people usually express their Astro placements in more subtle ways. For example, you may see an Aquarius and think "oh he looks like an average Joe in every single way" but if you were to get to know him you would discover that he has weird interests, a unique belief system, and enjoys being controversial and shocking more conservative/conventional types. If you go around looking for those loud stereotypes you are going to be disappointed. IP: Logged |
DopGang Knowflake Posts: 1192 From: <--------- over there. Registered: Jun 2015
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posted November 07, 2015 07:12 AM
I agree with you Aquaguy. IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 13789 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 07, 2015 07:21 AM
quote: Originally posted by Belage: Most people I meet actually fit their astrological chart so well, it's uncanny. I never look at just the sun. The sun, the moon, the ascendant, the personal and outer planets, aspects to these, and the layers they add, etc, it all creates a unique tapestry that is the individual and it fits... Astrology is amazing.
Yup, that's the bottom line. I was saying all the Leos I've known are pretty serious people.... Come to think of it, they all have planets in Virgo.... ETA: But Tim Tebow has no planets in Virgo, nor Cancer: http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Tim_Tebow Tom Brady is another one who always looks serious, but he has a wide sun-Saturn conjunction and Mercury in Virgo. Hilary Swank, JK Rowling, Sean Penn....well, there are a lot of serious-looking Leos. At some point I just have to think, it's the Leo doing it. --- For what it's worth, the Secret Language of Birthdays is pretty accurate explaining how the cusps and decans affect the sign...That book never says Leos are cheerful, uppity types....more like authoritarian (first decan), masochistic (second decan), and other unexpected observations. IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 13789 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 07, 2015 07:22 AM
quote: Originally posted by aquaguy91: I am anti-feminist. That's ludicrous
I know right?
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Wild Horses Knowflake Posts: 525 From: Registered: Jul 2012
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posted November 07, 2015 08:43 AM
quote: Originally posted by aquaguy91: lamestream
That's such an Aquarius word to use. I bet it had to be an Aquarius who first used it. BTW, I agree with your point. IP: Logged | |