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Koniucha
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posted November 10, 2015 07:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone else have Pluto there? How do you feel about it?

It makes me feel so alone sometimes.

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Ami Anne
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posted November 10, 2015 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto conj the IC seems to be a very tumultuous childhood. I would say the same for a 4th House Pluto, but conj an angle would be more intense.

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posted November 10, 2015 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My husband has Pluto there, and he lost both parents at an early age. His sister moved out of state when he was young and relationship with brother is pretty much nonexistent. It's really sad.

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posted November 10, 2015 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sylven     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stop it Bananaz!!! My daughter has Pluto in 4th (not conjunct IC) I don't want her to loose us at an early age!!

My husband has it and his parents didn't die at early age. His mom had chronic fatigue and caused some stress but not so much that he thinks he had a tumultuous childhood. It was ok. There wasn't much deep talk, there might have been secrets? I don't know...

I have heared of people with Pluto there that they have felt unsafe during childhood. I knew this so I did my best to make my daughter feel safe. She is scared sometimes (in bed) but not more than any normal child.

I (her mom) am a therapist.

Secrets in the family? Controlling parents. There are a lot of options. I am sure a lot of positive as well, let's talk about that please! :/

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posted November 10, 2015 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sylven:
Stop it Bananaz!!! My daughter has Pluto in 4th (not conjunct IC) I don't want her to loose us at an early age!!

My husband has it and his parents didn't die at early age. His mom had chronic fatigue and caused some stress but not so much that he thinks he had a tumultuous childhood. It was ok. There wasn't much deep talk, there might have been secrets? I don't know...

I have heared of people with Pluto there that they have felt unsafe during childhood. I knew this so I did my best to make my daughter feel safe. She is scared sometimes (in bed) but not more than any normal child.

I (her mom) am a therapist.

Secrets in the family? Controlling parents. There are a lot of options. I am sure a lot of positive as well, let's talk about that please! :/


Sorry, Sylven! You're totally right. I should've added something positive about this placement. Pluto can manifest itself in many ways so it doesn't necessarily mean death and destruction of the childhood as it did for my husband. So I didn't mean that it LITERALLY means death in every native's chart. It has the power to transform as well.

Just for you, I'll add that as an adult my husband is transforming in an amazing way at the moment because we're starting a family. It's absolutely incredible.

Sometimes though we do have to talk about both positive and negative to understand why things happened. Using death as an example makes us stronger as human beings. We grow from it, transform, feel compassion, etc. But I shouldn't have left the OP feeling like it was all doom and gloom. It's definitely not!

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posted November 10, 2015 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is my opinion and I am not liked for it by some and loved for it by others.

One must take hard aspects/hard struggles for what they are.

If not, one is not living in reality.

If I get flak for one thing, it is this.

I think one gets emotionally sick when one will not face hard things for what they are.

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posted November 10, 2015 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuranian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This is my opinion and I am not liked for it by some and loved for it by others.

One must take hard aspects/hard struggles for what they are.

If not, one is not living in reality.

If I get flak for one thing, it is this.

I think one gets emotionally sick when one will not face hard things for what they are.




don't you NOT follow transits?

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posted November 10, 2015 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuranian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Koniucha:
Anyone else have Pluto there? How do you feel about it?

It makes me feel so alone sometimes.




i have pluto in the 4th. i am estranged from my "family". but i also have my moon in my 8th house, so that may play a part in this.

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posted November 10, 2015 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This is my opinion and I am not liked for it by some and loved for it by others.

One must take hard aspects/hard struggles for what they are.

If not, one is not living in reality.

If I get flak for one thing, it is this.

I think one gets emotionally sick when one will not face hard things for what they are.



I agree to an extent...that being how we should look at both sides, positive and negative. Because there is always a positive if you look hard enough.

Pluto imo causes the most heartache/destruction anyway. So it get's uncomfortable to talk about for some people.

I remember you talking about your mother in another thread with your pluto at the IC. It's an example of how it can manifest differently for different people, but it's still hard on the native no matter how it plays out.

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posted November 10, 2015 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We are talking Pluto in the 4th in the natal, are we not?

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posted November 10, 2015 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I grew up in a house of lies and denial. My mother molested me. She is a therapist. The lies went on and on. I won't lie for anyone. I won't fudge things to make anyone feel good. I interview every person that comes to me. If I sense that they are not like this, I will not accept the chart. I have no time or mental or emotional space for any kind of lies, be it denial or anything else. That is just me and hence, I am not for everyone, nor do I want to be lol

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posted November 10, 2015 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Readytochill     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had a pretty traumatic experience at home involving a family member when I was younger. I kind of blame it for how insecure I can be at times and how I can't trust people.

I had controlling parents and my childhood was fun yet had some pretty tumultuous times where I felt unsafe.

Moving away from home makes me feel like I'd be able to be a better person instead of being held back.

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posted November 11, 2015 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sylven     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bananaz, chill, of course, I get you. No need to explain. Thanks.

I don't choose to look at astrology black and white.

If you were referring to me Ami Anne, you don't have to fudge things up to make me feel good. (I am sorry it happened to you btw).

I am just here to make the palet a little bit wider. In my view one can not say it is this or that and that's the end of it. It's a very rigid way to look at life. Not saying this directly to anyone but in general.

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posted November 11, 2015 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sylven     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check out this link about Pluto 4th. I really like the comment of Astralmuse and seems very fit for my daughter being that she really feels the attachment with her home. Always retreating here, she mostly plays here with her friends (and they also want to play here). It is also a sign of endurance and strength. Etc .. She is a little controlling herself with her sun there as well and her Mercury on top of Pluto.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/015889.html

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posted November 11, 2015 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for geminigal2805     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Pluto in the fourth house.
Yeah its a difficult placement... I quit home when I was 17, where I'm from its the worst thing a gal can do. But I did struggle on my own too. I have read that it deals with abuse, hardships, moving to a different country, etc...
Still I'm here fifteen yrs later... and I'm happy. We can always work it out. U need to find that inner strength.
Pluto gives you the power to transform... and make live changing decisions.

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posted November 11, 2015 01:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sylven     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The link posted above is very helpful. Keeps things in perspective. And really for me as well as I have been wondering about pluto in 4 for a long time.

The post of themischievousone I also like, it's pasted beneath:

I came across this thread while googling pluto in the 4th house. Because I did recently register, I decided to put my input on an old post anyway.
Personally, I didn't have a sad childhood overall (I also have venus in my fourth house. I'm still digging around my chart and not sure what it all means lol). I was/am close to both of my parents (more so my dad). The only sad thing in my childhood was my father passing when I was 12.


I found this on the topic while searching around:

Those born with Pluto in the 4th house may have experienced something dramatic in the family home, and whatever it was it can sometimes make them feel isolated and rootless. Perhaps there was much that was hidden or secret in their childhood, and this has changed them indefinitely.

According to modern astrology the fourth house rules the father, and everything we inherit from our immediate family. Pluto in the 4th house can show early intimidation, and the father may appear threatening to the child, even if his behavior has unwarranted this powerful reaction. On the other hand, the father may have had a profound affect on the individual growing up, and his absence leaves psychological wounds. Another possibility is that he had difficulty in expressing his emotions, suffered from deep depression, and so when he erupted the violence of his reactions frighten a young child. The father may have been over-demanding, over-controlling, over-protective or jealous.

The 4th house can also signify the death of one of the parents, or actual abandonment. Sometimes the death of a family member has effected the child deeply. The parents may have been struggling to come to terms with a significant loss. The family may have broken up, lost its home, suffered bankruptcy, etc. Pluto in the 4th house is deeply private and secretive about their home life. One of the best outlets for this placement is to "dig up" the family history, and explore old secrets. The complexes and traumas formed in early childhood, if unresolved, often seethe below the level of conscious awareness, and the individual carries a hefty weight of grief and resentment over old hurts.

That actually makes sense in my daughters case. She struggles mostly with her dad. But it's not that big or not yet. Things can still happen in the future.

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posted November 11, 2015 02:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sylven:
Bananaz, chill, of course, I get you. No need to explain. Thanks.

I don't choose to look at astrology black and white.


I'm chill

You just made it seem like I scared you. I remember how someone in an old thread was talking about death transits, and for a while after that I was panicked thinking my mom was gonna die. I didn't want to do that to someone else.

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posted November 11, 2015 04:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sylven     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bananaz:
I'm chill

You just made it seem like I scared you. I remember how someone in an old thread was talking about death transits, and for a while after that I was panicked thinking my mom was gonna die. I didn't want to do that to someone else.


Oh yeah, sorry, I just sometimes don't know how to use the right words. I also didn't mean you weren't chill, meant it more in a way that my sentence came on more panicky than I wanted. Sure not that I feel all at ease cuz it still bothers me but less than before. That's why I like this thread now. I used to think "omg, pluto in 4th and that square moon" will I die young or am I doing it right, is she safe etc... Now I know there is much more to it.

I do appreciate your empathy, that's always a very good thing! Hugs!!! I will b back later. I am at work now and on my phone and that... is NOT chill.. Hahaha..

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posted November 11, 2015 04:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sylven     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bananaz:
I'm chill

You just made it seem like I scared you. I remember how someone in an old thread was talking about death transits, and for a while after that I was panicked thinking my mom was gonna die. I didn't want to do that to someone else.


Oh yeah, sorry, I just sometimes don't know how to use the right words. I also didn't mean you weren't chill, meant it more in a way that my sentence came on more panicky than I wanted. Sure not that I feel all at ease cuz it still bothers me but less than before. That's why I like this thread now. I used to think "omg, pluto in 4th and that square moon" will I die young or am I doing it right, is she safe etc... Now I know there is much more to it.

I do appreciate your empathy, that's always a very good thing! Hugs!!! I will b back later. I am at work now and on my phone and that... is NOT chill.. Hahaha..

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posted November 11, 2015 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sly

I have no problem with anyone or different views, as long as people are respectful which you are!

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posted November 11, 2015 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HappyHekate     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Pluto conj the IC seems to be a very tumultuous childhood. I would say the same for a 4th House Pluto, but conj an angle would be more intense.


This is spot on, in my personal experience, esp. if Pluto contacts the IC.

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posted November 11, 2015 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My sister has this. It conjuncts her IC very closely.

I think what this has done,is have her be very invested in what is going on in family things.

The relationship that she has with my Sag Mom(she being Taurus), is the type where she tells my Mom EVERYTHING!

She also has Cancer Moon/Asc conjunct. So that adds to the whole "home" focus.

She remains in contact with all our cousins and likes going home.

I am less attached to home and family. I have chosen the career route-this despite having Moon in Cancer.


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posted November 11, 2015 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I first want to say that I am 35 and both of my parents are living. Divorced, however.

My relationship with my mom is very strained. It's just hard to get along. She was/is very controlling.

I have a good relationship with my father. I get along with my brother and sister, but I do feel different and seperated from them. My sister is younger and quite vertical of me, so I stay away.

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posted November 11, 2015 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Pluto is also not so close to my IC

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posted November 11, 2015 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sylven     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
My sister has this. It conjuncts her IC very closely.

I think what this has done,is have her be very invested in what is going on in family things.

The relationship that she has with my Sag Mom(she being Taurus), is the type where she tells my Mom EVERYTHING!

She also has Cancer Moon/Asc conjunct. So that adds to the whole "home" focus.

She remains in contact with all our cousins and likes going home.

I am less attached to home and family. I have chosen the career route-this despite having Moon in Cancer.


This sounds like my daughter. We have a very close connection. She is my Moon and I her Pluto (the conjunction) we say to each other, washing each others hair. I am someone who promotes freedom and independence. I was in tears when she was a baby because she was so fragile and couldn't stand up for herself if people would want to do her harm. It was very upsetting to me. I want her to be a strong individual, empathic but strong! So I don't fit in as a mom in the whole abusing 4th house pluto thing so I thought "maybe I will die then" And yes again, my daughter loves to be home.

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