posted November 21, 2015 01:33 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Just wondering...

Life its an emotional roller coaster for about one week out of the month for me. That day were life makes absolutely no sense to me and feels meaningless that is the day before I get my period or The Day I get my period every time, often that is how I can tell I am about to get it bc of the dark mood I get in.

I have venus and mars in the 8th and my Venus quincunx my Moon which rules my 8th and is also part of a tsquare so I am thinking that is why my monthly cycle is challenging for me and affects my mood greatly. The 8th rules the reproductive organs and the moon is our monthly cycle.

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From these aspects it makes sense that this would have a big effect on you!

I didn't answer your question properly.

My 8th ruler is Mercury and it is conjunct Pluto in the 1st house, sextile my Moon/Neptune conjunction and trine my 9th house Chiron and my North Node. It is also conjunct my Ascendant.

Sometimes I'm able to creatively channel the energy during my period--sometimes it runs away with me. Probably the positive moon aspect helps a lot... I rarely have physical pain..

posted November 21, 2015 01:43 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Some say PMS is related to the collective feminine pain body. All the shame and disgust which have been heaped on womyn by the patriarchy around this most sacred of times.. the blood of our wombs is the carrier of life. None of us would exist without it.

In ancient times and in societies which were recently colonized, women would be given as much time and solitude and support as possible during their moon time/menses. There were special areas designated for women who were bleeding. Intrusions into these sacred spaces were strictly forbidden.

I find I get especially touchy a day or so before bleeding if I am not getting the space I require. The teachings in my tradition are that women are extremely powerful during this time. I think if there is no outlet for the energy coursing through us and anything beyond our specific focus on the inner workings of our magical beings/bodies is being demanded of us, mood swings and anger are perfectly natural.

They are our body's way of defending us against unwanted intrusions.

When we think we should hold the flow back or there have been messages that menstruating is less than wonderful and beautiful this can produce pain and blockages, physical and emotional.

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Cramps are Cramps, hormonal changes cause mood swings specially if you are sensitive to hormonal changes. Thinking that menstrating is powerful and beautiful is what we call in psychology 'reframing' or 'thought replacement' and is a great coping skill and I use it a lot.

I disagree that menstrating has to do with patriarchal pain etc....Its very simple actually, its how our species reproduce I just wish the reproductive cycle was not a monthly thing or even better that it worked differently. Perhaps enough time will pass and our periods will stop happening monthly and happen perhaps 4 times a year as we continue to adapt bc our species is not currently nor has been for some at risk of extinction so no need for our bodies to prepare to get pregnant monthly.

Menstrating is failure to conceive literally that is why it happens. Our body needs to recycle and prepare to conceive yet again every month. Its a biological function to prevent extinction. We menstrate for practical reasons and is not patriarchy pain, simply one of the genders had to do it so the other can go and get food and risk dying to keep mother and child alive while they go hunting, put very simply ofcourse.

posted November 21, 2015 01:46 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
From these aspects it makes sense that this would have a big effect on you!

I didn't answer your question properly.

My 8th ruler is Mercury and it is conjunct Pluto in the 1st house, sextile my Moon/Neptune conjunction and trine my 9th house Chiron and my North Node. It is also conjunct my Ascendant.

Sometimes I'm able to creatively channel the energy during my period--sometimes it runs away with me. Probably the positive moon aspect helps a lot... I rarely have physical pain..

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You have very nice aspects, I would think you don't experience PMS. It makes sense why you embrace that time and see it in such a positive light.

posted November 21, 2015 01:49 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Hyp, I feel almost just like you do a couple days a month also. Irrationally incensed by the smallest things. It helps to identify what is going on with my body and know that it will pass.

I have Jupiter conjunct Vertex in the 8th in Gemini. Mars at 1 Aries in the 5th. And a lot of planets in Scorpio I'm my 1st--this would relate to my body and reproductive organs.

i want to do a little more digging to see which signs and planets regulate hormones though. I know Scorpio and the 8th are related to reproductive organs, I would think Taurus and the 2nd too... but the hormone regulation might have other rulerships?

It's an interesting topic. Do you usually menstruate at the same time every month? I switch back and forth between new and full moon...

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Yeah do share if you find out what regulates hormones!

I like to check the 8th house ruler and the moon for menstrual issues.

I use to be regular but lately not so much as I get older is less the case you can say, Pandora is right on my Venus-Mars in the 8th right now so I wonder if maybe that is why.

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"It helps to identify what is going on with my body and know that it will pass."

posted November 21, 2015 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
I hate getting my period bc it's nasty asf, but I don't really PMS. I feel normal when I have it. My one guy friend told me I was too chill to PMS lol.

My 8th house ruler is Saturn (in the 11th house) and the aspects:

Mars opposite Saturn
Jupiter sextile Saturn
Saturn sextile Asc

And one would think by looking at my chart that I PMS a lot because I have Moon in Cancer in the 1st house, but I don't.

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Originally posted by Lerena:
I don't get PMS, but I expect this to change at some point since absolutely nothing in my life is stable. I've already formed a theory that I might get PMS during a job interview or on the first day of work. You know, moments that could cost you if you've never experienced PMS before and you have the level of pain sensitivity that I do.

[b]My placements:
Gemini in 8th house.
Mercury in 6th house.
Mercury sextile Saturn - orb of 4.
Mercury square Uranus - orb of 4.
Mercury square Neptune - orb of 3.

You know, I think the 6th house confuses me the most, but it supposedly rules health issues. I see PMS as a health-related issue, so I thought my 8th house ruler in 6th house might mean something. I am not sure what though.[/B]

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I am starting to think that MAYBE Saturn aspecting the 8th house ruler is beneficial for limiting or avoiding PMS symptoms.

Several responses are alerting me to that. Perhaps Saturn is like "this is nothing for me, I can handle it, did a mosquito just bite me"???? LOL

posted November 21, 2015 02:01 PM            

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from hypatia:

I disagree that menstrating has to do with patriarchal pain etc....Its very simple actually, its how our species reproduce I just wish the reproductive cycle was not a monthly thing or even better that it worked differently. Perhaps enough time will pass and our periods will stop happening monthly and happen perhaps 4 times a year as we continue to adapt bc our species is not currently nor has been for some at risk of extinction so no need for our bodies to prepare to get pregnant monthly.

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Oh, I understand what menstruation is. I said some people think PMS and patriarchy are related.

If you can agree that our mental attitudes and emotional body has an impact on our physical body, doesn't it follow that an ingrained attitude of misogyny as fostered by the patriarchy could negatively impact the ease of flow of our body's functions?

posted November 21, 2015 02:10 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Oh, I understand what menstruation is. I said some people think PMS and patriarchy are related.

If you can agree that our mental attitudes and emotional body has an impact on our physical body, doesn't it follow that an ingrained attitude of misogyny as fostered by the patriarchy could negatively impact the ease of flow of our body's functions?

And couldn't the planets describe the tension which a patriarchal society inflicts on certain individuals?

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Our mind can alleviate symptoms if we approach and view the process in a positive light but our biology is undeniable, cramps are cramps and hormonal changes affect our mood, biological factors cannot be denied or ignored.

posted November 21, 2015 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by mamawolf:
This year I've only had maybe two really bad ones but previous years have been more. Honestly, switching to organic products must be responsible for it and eating cleaner foods. Might get irritable at work for a day and want to choke people but who doesn't

Sag 8H (Venus Uranus Neptune Saturn live there)
Jupiter 1H square Moon 10H trine Sun 9H

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"Might get irritable at work for a day and want to choke people but who doesn't "

hahahahaha and your screen name is mamawolf, like your style.

posted November 21, 2015 02:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
If I'm affected, I don't even notice, except I start craving heavier foods.

5H Sag Neptune rules my 8H

Neptune:
- square 8H Pisces moon
- opposing Mars
- conjunct Venus
- trine Jupiter
- trine ASC
- sextile Pluto

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posted November 21, 2015 02:17 PM            

Just as with anything, we can look and see a number of different potential functions. Our bodies move with the cycles of grandmother moon, and when the blood flows we cleanse ourselves. We also have an opportunity to take a break and connect with other women (or we used to). We remember to honor ourselves and the life which we carry and give. Our creativity is highlighted at this time.

posted November 21, 2015 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Hmm, maybe just a little bit, but no real big symptoms (a little being bloated the 2 days before, usually resulting in a weightgain of about 1 kilo; and the appetite varies a little, and sometimes feeling a tad more apathetic or restless, but I donīt think that REALLY qualifies as PMS.)

So I`d say I do feel *some* effects (or imagine them) but nothing as to really feel disruptive.

8th house in Cancer
ruler of 8th in Aquarius in 2nd house
Saturn is in Cancer in 8th, quinkunx that Moon.

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posted November 21, 2015 02:22 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Our mind can alleviate symptoms if we approach and view the process in a positive light but our biology is undeniable, cramps are cramps and hormonal changes affect our mood, biological factors cannot be denied or ignored.

Like I have EXERCISED while experiencing cramps on my period and bc of my thoughts found that experience empowering but it did not make the pain go away it just helped me cope with it BETTER and I released some endorphins in the process which HELPS too but the biological aspects did not disappear, its just a healthier way of dealing with it that also helps alleviate the symptoms and increase your self worth so koodos to anyone that approaches their cycle that way.

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posted November 21, 2015 02:24 PM            

I struggle to remember how much my physical activity brings itself to bear on my health and I do treat myself like a machine but I'm a living thing and we all are--and we're all so unique!! As evidenced by astrology

posted November 21, 2015 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by frankie2912:
Ok, after reading all these responses I am now very interested in this topic! Fascinating. It does seem like the Moon and 8th house ruler play a big role! Great observations!!

So..before my miscarriage, the only thing anyone ever said to me about my PMS was my little sister. She made a mention of me acting really goofy/quirky the week before my period. I was a teenager when she told me this. I had agreed that I acted weird but it was always amusing, never painful or negative.

8 house ruler Mercury..in 2nd house conj Uranus, Neptune, and Sun. Square Mars.

Moon conj Saturn. My periods are ALWAYS regular, predictable, the same length and flow, etc. It is square Jupiter, though...hey, maybe that is behind me having multiple miscarriages???!

I dont see much happening with my progressions and transits.

Also have 8H Chiron opposing my Moon. Hmmm...very cool topic, thanks for bringing it up. Really makes me think.

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Interesting!

It sounds like MAYBE you have chiron opposite moon-saturn with chiron and moon-saturn squaring JUPITER which would me it a tsquare with jupiter as the release point. It would be a tsquare of delays in pregnancy and miscarriages but I feel you would eventually get pregnant if that is what you want its a matter of the right transits so don't worry.

posted November 21, 2015 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Exercising does have a tangible effect on biology though, not only on thoughts, right? I used to get cramps in high school and dance class usually relieved them. Joining our actions with our biological processes is challenging in a society which has worked hard to separate ourselves from our bodies, but they are in fact inextricably linked and thoughts and emotions do directly affect biology..

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Yes that is why I brought up endorphins in addition to mentioning reframing and thought replacement, all that alleviates; your thinking and exercise. We release endorphins when we exercise and when we eat chocolate and is why during that time of the month a lot of women crave chocolate. Endorphins are natural pain and stress fighters so is the perfect hormone to counteract the PMS symptoms.

However alleviate or manage or cope is different from eliminate, biology always plays a role and you can't pretend that it can be completely overwritten.

posted November 21, 2015 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by missblyss:
why the 8th house? out of just assumptions, i would guess that the moon would have the greatest influence on this because it controls the cycles anyways. I have saturn trining my moon in virgo which i partially attribute to getting my period VERY late in life (17 years old). Maybe difficult aspects to the moon cause panful periods.

In ayurvedic medicine painful periods are a symptom of an energetic imbalance in the body. depending on the specific symptoms it can either signal there is too much heat (anger, heavy bleeding), too much water/coolness (excessive bleeding, bloating, blood clots), or too much "vata" or air energy (pain, cramping) they are all quite easily treated through ayurvedic medicine.

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posted November 21, 2015 03:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Dreaminess:

I agree, i think the moon has way more to do with it than the 8th house.

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it would also make sense that for those who have severe pms that is a combo of both contributing MAYBE.

My moon rules my 8th and it opposes my sun and mercury and squares my neptune plus it inconjuncts my Venus in the 8th.

Wait wait I just found this which fits well my aspects and is not about the 8th house ruler:

"The MOON has to do with the digestive system, the uterus, the breasts and together with Venus the mucous membrane, the female genitals and female hormones."

Perhaps is a MOON and VENUS thing! so apparently venus rules females hormones and moon the uterus and my MOON inconjuncts VENUS so moon hard aspects to venus perhaps can indicate PMDD, premenstrual dysmorphic disorder.

I have to day I hate my period and I do have PMDD but its usually 3 days that the symptoms are bad on average, it can vary.

There are women that have it much worse than me though specially in the cramps department and experience severe pain bc of cramps for an entire week. My cramps are usually the first day and tylenol or motrin helps a lot, some women even with pain killers are still in a lot of pain for days bec of the cramps. I think the hormones and mood swings are what disrupts me the most when it comes to my menstrual cycle personally and my moon is afflicted but my Venus is not, my venus has nice aspects over all except for that inconjunction to the moon. If I had both afflicted I imagine then that my situation would be like those more severe cases.

My friend for example, she gets mood swings but what really affects her are her cramps, her period lasts an entire week and she takes a lot of pain killers to deal with the pain:

Her MOON in Libra:
Squares her SUN
Trines VENUS (she has great social skills)
Squares Neptune
Squares Pluto

Her VENUS in GEMINI:
Semisquares Mars exact
Semisquares Jupiter
Sesquiquadrate Saturn
Inconjuncts Uranus
Semisextile Sun
Semisextile Mercury
Biquintile Neptune

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posted November 21, 2015 04:01 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Huh, how wide is the orb to the moon? and what are your other moon aspects?

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18.12 Pisces moon, 8H
16.01 Gemini Mars, 11H
15.47 Cap sun, 6H
12.44 Sag Neptune, 5H
11.42 Libra Pluto, 3H (on moon's solstice point)

My moods dip very low on a regular basis, for a few hours at a time, all through the month. Maybe what's normal to me at this point would seem abnormal to others?

But Cap sun/Pisces moon cooperation is like: "Just grit your teeth, we'll get through it."

Honestly I am much more likely to get sacked by a transit than PMS.

posted November 21, 2015 04:12 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Interesting, so your 8th house ruler is not afflicted and you don't get PMS but just a little annoyed or cranky which could be do to the mood affliction I suppose, lucky .

Since it conjuncts Uranus though would you say your cycle is irregular?

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posted November 21, 2015 05:19 PM            

Moon conj Pluto Scorpio in the 8th

8th cusp Libra - Venus in the 5th in Cancer and....trines Moon and Pluto

posted November 21, 2015 05:46 PM            

Moon in aquarius in the 12th square jupiter(6), conjunct sun(2), conjunct venus(6)

posted November 21, 2015 05:53 PM            

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Originally posted by coteau:
I normally notice that I have my period with cramps a few hours before I start bleeding. I usually take one pain killer and it gets me through most of the pain I experience ( it only lasts a few hours) and sometimes I've had no pain at all or, or sometimes i have a lot of pain but a few hours of TV numb me to it and it blows over). I don't experience any kind of change the week before my period and nothing afterwards.

Moon in aquarius in the 12th square jupiter(6), conjunct sun(2), conjunct venus(6)

8th house scorpio, pluto in the 8th square venus(2) and saturn(2)

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posted November 21, 2015 06:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Maybe there's something to the Moon/8th house theory, there.

I have terribly disruptive, emotional PMS every month. Like it honestly does disrupt my life.

My Moon is in my 2nd house, opposite my Sun in 8th.

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My friend has sun ruling her 8th and squaring her moon and her periods last one full week and she gets mood swings and terrible cramps. I feel the cramps are the bigger issue with her and the length of the period.