posted December 13, 2015 09:17 PM            

Hello all. I have been soaking up beautiful cosmic energy this past week and once again I have been bombarded with new and incredible insight regarding the (you guessed it) MC/IC axis!!!

First allow me to please vent some frustration. I have grown weary of astrologers regarding the MC/10th cusp as "career" and the IC as..well..pretty much nothing at all. I feel like (and please take no offense) that when any astrologer regards the ASC as just a "mask", or the MC as just a "career" then that astrologer is either really amateurish or just doesn't care about the angles because they fall in the same group of astrologers who believe that the angles are just "there" and bear no serious significance.

I probably would have no interest in astrology if it were not for the angles. I have always seen and regarded the planets as superficial, and marginal. Not saying that they're not important, but there is NO WAY we could analyze who someone is just by looking at their personal planets. BUT when you see the 12 houses the angles provide for the planets, aspects, what is ruling what and who, where a particular energy is coming from and which house/hemisphere is more dominant...THEN it all makes sense! And it all becomes incredibly accurate when looking at the individual.

The angles are highly sensitive, and focused points. And from my personal experience, the MC/IC axis again and again and again and again has shown me to take the wedding cake. But lately I have been thinking and wondering why....

The ASC/DC is the "magnet" axis. And the MC/IC is the "gravity" axis.....meaning....

The ASC/DC represents what we see and attract, while the MC/IC represents where we belong and offer ourselves.

The 4 angles are the cardinal houses, which mean they all deal with the self, and personal identity...but in different ways..

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1) ASC/DC = External/Impersonal

MC/IC = Internal/Personal!

2) ASC/DC = WHAT we see

MC/IC = WHY we see

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1) Our ASC/DC rules our circumstances in life, and where they come from...

2) Our MC/IC rules the reasoning for our very being, and the lasting effect we have on others/self, and why it is so..Think of the MC/IC as the law of "cause and effect"..

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Okay lets try some examples. The ASC (in my terrible opinion) reveals what our circumstances in life will be. The DC shows where those circumstances will come from. These things are OUT of our control. We have nothing to do with them, and yeah it can suck from time to time (especially if the nodes are close by, or if you have a Capricorn ASC haha). This explains why astrologers say that our ASC holds truth to our dominant planet in our chart (but hold that thought because theres more!).

But if the ASC/DC reveals our life circumstances, then that means that their ruling planets should be noted for those circumstances....but what does that say about the ruling planets of our MC/IC? How come no one has taken any consideration to them?

Lets now officially get into the MC/IC (now that we've gotten the ASC/DC out of the way)

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The MC/IC is our Cause and Effect IN LIFE..If the ASC/DC is impersonal and beyond our control the MC/IC is PERSONAL AND FULLY IN OUR CONTROL.

We can't control the circumstances from the world and what is seen (ASC/DC) but we can fully tap into our personal resources and do something about it (MC/IC)

I strongly believe that the MC/IC is more personal, powerful, and effective than the ASC/DC. The ASC shows us whats going on, but our MC shows us exactly how we integrate what we see into our personal reality. It comes from a deep place within...which is why it is called the gravity axis.

The MC = The highest awareness of self and/or the highest expression of the self.

The IC = The cause of the self and/or the reason for its existence.

These two go hand in hand effortlessly and they are so synced with one another that many of us have a hard time figuring out which part of the axis is running the show.

Earlier I stated that many of us believe that our chart rulers are determined by our ASC..which is true...but now we must take in consideration for our gravity axis. If the MC/IC is the cause and effect for our being then that means the ruling planets for both of those signs will give us a dead-in-your-face smack understanding to whats going on with that energy.

Let me use myself as an example.

I have a Sag MC conjunct Lilith (exact)...Saggies are ruled by Jupiter. Guess what? I have Jupiter in my 6th house AND it is in its exalted sign of Cancer. AND it trines my MC because Jupiter is pretty close to Leo.

My IC is a Gem...which rules Mercury. Guess what? my Merc is in my 7th house of Leo...AND it is unaspected..this explains why I'm such a nutcase...

All my life my Father told me the importance of service and learning to connect with others. His Sun is conjunct my MC, and his moon conjunct my IC!. My Sun along with Jupiter is also in the 6th house conjunct my DC...So somehow someway all of the things are connected and i am honestly apart of my family for a particular reason.

So although these planets may not be seen as my "dominant" planets....when it comes to the reason and belonging of my existence (IC) and what I fully, openly and effortlessly express to the world (MC), these planets show any and absolutely everything that is needed for me....Jupiter and Mercury that is. And my BML exact conjuncting/opposing both angles are a big boost as well..

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Our planets do not reveal who we are, they reveal what influences who we are. I've stated before that everyone is every sign, and everyone is every house. The planets just reveal what and where that "influence" is taking place, but it does not define our life in general. The 4 angles gives us a very clear foundation as to what is going on in our personal (MC/IC) and impersonal (ASC/DC) worlds (when I say impersonal I mean outside influences). Planets teaches us lessons on our path to self-knowing (which deals with the angles)

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Now lets get into synastry. From my experience, and experience of others I find it interesting that the MC/IC (including composite charts) shows how intimate relationships are. In other words, many long lasting relationships have something going on in the MC/IC axis and 10th/4th house cusps. ASC/DC aspects show attraction, but personal planets touching the MC/IC axis is like a moth to an internal flame. I wouldn't be surprised if soulmate connections are involved in this..

Now, unfortunately (unlike many of you) I DO NOT BELIEVE IN orbs when it comes to the major aspects. Too many times in my life have I seen powerful interactions that were "not in an orb". Meaning, I believe in conjunct, opposite, and square aspects by SIGN, not by orb.

So since my MC is in Saggy, anyone with something going on in Pisces, and Virgo would be touching it as well..and of course Sags and Gems.

In fact, I've had a few Mars and Venus in Virgos chase me a bit. And Pisces stelliums I have drawn in easily as well..My ex has her Mars in Pisces and she never leaves me alone...Because they touch my MC (nothing else was going on in our charts either)

If you want to know how someone affects you on an external level. Look at the ASC/DC. But If you want to know how someone affects you on a deep personal level...you know the rest . This isn't just my experience guys, I'm talking on a broader scale here..

Oh I forgot...nothing can be more powerful than having angle to angle intercourse! Meaning, when it comes to synastry, its always extra powerful to have your angle touching theirs and vice versa. Especially the MC/IC

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Another reason why I love this axis so much is because it literally shows how our day operates.

The ASC is the sunrise. We are awakened to what is going on around us and everything is fresh. We are preparing for new things and situations..

The MC is high noon. The Sun is at its HIGHEST point in the sky and it has reached its climax. Everything is out in the open and it fully expresses its essence to everyone and everything. It is showing its true self effortlessly without thought. This is also the busiest and active part of the day

The DC is sunset. The Sun is putting itself away and focusing on the effect we have made on everyone.

And the IC is midnight. We are back within ourself and are experiencing a reboot. This is when we sleep and the soul exits the body for a short period of time and return when we awake with new experiences...

posted December 13, 2015 10:12 PM            

How would you feel about Saturn on someone's MC? Wide orb though. MC in Sag, conjunct (wide) by someone's Saturn. Would you say there are some lessons the saturn person can give to the MC person? Would you say in terms of synastry, would Saturn on the MC weight more heavy than saturn conjunct another's planet? What about if in synastry, two people don't have alot of saturn action (maybe minor aspects and wide conjuncts) but they have that Saturn conjunct MC? Would that be enough "glue" ?

Also, I have my IC in Aqua. My bf has his AC in late Aqua. They aren't conjunct in terms of orb..and most people I guess wouldn't count it...but after reading your post, I would imagine it counts as something right?

His Moon is also widely conjunct my MC in Leo. He also has his DC in Leo.

I would mean these are some-what meaningful than "nope! Not in orb! doesn't count!"

posted December 13, 2015 10:13 PM            

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posted December 13, 2015 10:14 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
I said the intro because I was curious to know how many people here knew who Jay-z was lol

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LOL and it fit well since you definitely did a PSA and that's the song it's from. Anyway, just finished reading it and ruminating on what was pointed out. I am far from a connoisseur on astrology, so certain things/terminology I can't speak on . However, I always did wonder why I attract Pisces types...it makes sense. I have Virgo Midheaven and even though the ASC/DC attracts, I still have Pisces energy (my IC) that I never knew existed (yep still amateur ). Plus I honestly always felt the description of Virgo fits me VERY well despite being a Sag. I draw charts and diagrams before working in my DAW for goodness sake (disturbingly analytical).

posted December 13, 2015 10:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Starry~*:
Great post! I agree too...

How would you feel about Saturn on someone's MC? Wide orb though. MC in Sag, conjunct (wide) by someone's Saturn. Would you say there are some lessons the saturn person can give to the MC person? Would you say in terms of synastry, would Saturn on the MC weight more heavy than saturn conjunct another's planet? What about if in synastry, two people don't have alot of saturn action (maybe minor aspects and wide conjuncts) but they have that Saturn conjunct MC? Would that be enough "glue" ?

Also, I have my IC in Aqua. My bf has his AC in late Aqua. They aren't conjunct in terms of orb..and most people I guess wouldn't count it...but after reading your post, I would imagine it counts as something right?

His Moon is also widely conjunct my MC in Leo. He also has his DC in Leo.

I would mean these are some-what meaningful than "nope! Not in orb! doesn't count!"

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Anything touching an angle is more powerful. Also don't assume that its always the planet person who is doing the influencing. And any planet on the sign/cusp is still valid even if its not directly touching the angle (I don't believe in orbs when it comes to certain things)

posted December 14, 2015 11:12 AM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Anything that touches it, or its cusp/sign is highly pronounced...

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posted December 14, 2015 11:48 AM            

I, always, try to make win/win situations in my life. I am soft spoken and try to have good manners lol

Inside, I have a Gemini stellium, so I am crazy, nutty

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posted December 14, 2015 05:47 PM            

Tell me which one you find to be more accurate...

posted December 14, 2015 06:13 PM            

And I know Jay-Z lol!

posted December 14, 2015 06:59 PM            

Before we dissociate career from MC, first we need to understand what the definition of a career is. Also the symbology of the MC.

posted December 14, 2015 08:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Many good points made, however...

Before we dissociate career from MC, first we need to understand what the definition of a career is. Also the symbology of the MC.

I'm sure there is more to Elizabeth II than most people know, but her career is a BIG BIG part of who she is. Same is true for Bill Gates, Michael Jordan/Jackson, ...Jay-Z.

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posted December 14, 2015 09:34 PM            

The Queen & Michael Jordan are perfect examples of people who'd fit into your 2000 year old examples. None of the people in my list needed a formal education for their careers; Elizabeth, Jordan, Jackson, Jay-Z...

posted December 15, 2015 01:26 AM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
Great post NYC!

Question for you: What do you think about planets conjunct the MC? My cousin has jupiter there and I've always kind of assumed it meant a BIG or expansive type of life, but she kind of lives in the shadows.

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Jupiter conjunct Midheaven

You will probably be inspired to seek adventure in your public domain, the freedom to explore unknown realms, whether this be the physical realms, or the realms of the mind. A good placement for someone aiming for the role of a leading church dignitary, a teacher, an educator, lecturer or therapist; in fact any role that may inspire faith in others. A good placement for a missionary, since Jupiter can provide the necessary faith and zeal to encourage and inspire others.

The placement of Jupiter in the chart will point to the domain of life through which we can expand the most in this life. As the most elevated planet this could suggest the expansion of knowledge, broadening not only ones own visions but sharing that knowledge with the world. Certainly teaching in one form or another would be an ideal medium through which to express this energy. This could also point to a desire to rise above the traditional, accepted and orthodox beliefs of society, stretching the mind to encompass higher learning and philosophies beyond the norm.

As the largest planet in our solar system the earth would fit into Jupiter over one thousand five hundred times, with room to spare. This could also suggest that there is the potential to rise to a position of some importance in life, one that carries a degree of status and prestige; something grander than just the ordinary and the mundane. This may not be at all evident on a conscious level yet prove to be a hidden driving force urging you to make something of yourself in the eyes of the world.

posted December 15, 2015 07:31 AM            

Right now I'm dating a Capricorn and for some reason a lot of Capricorns I end up dating..(Aquarius and Capricorns I date a lot) This one has his Moon in Libra so that's pretty cool 🤔😝

posted December 15, 2015 07:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Sylven:
Nice post!

I am totally Mercury conjunct MC in Gemini. My life is all about communication with the world, with youngsters, a lot of short contacts, humor, wit, writing and much variety. My job now is conversations, conversations, conversations and a lot of listening. This is my destiny, it comes natural to me. I am very good at conversations on al levels. I guess this one aspect of all aspects in my chart is really most felt by myself and I guess also the rest of the world.

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