posted December 18, 2015 11:04 PM            

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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
What are the aspects to his mercury? What would cause someone to run his mouth like that? Obviously he believes what he says is right and true, no matter how discriminatory or bigoted it may be.

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Yeah, he thinks he's pretty great.

All I see is Mercury square Neptune. But he is a Gemini sun, opposite moon in Sagittarius.

posted December 18, 2015 11:08 PM            

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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
Whaaat?! No way D.T. has a moon in Sag. I usually love moon in sag people because they conjunct my Venus in Sag!

No way. I wanna see a chart! LOL!

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Just look up Donald Trump rising sign on google and click the astrotheme link.

posted December 18, 2015 11:17 PM            

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posted December 18, 2015 11:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am doing his chart. He has one of the classic aspects for LOVING women--Moon trine Mars

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There's a big difference between loving women and respecting women.

posted December 18, 2015 11:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am doing his chart. He has one of the classic aspects for LOVING women--Moon trine Mars

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Moon/Mars to me means aggressive feelings come easily to him, as well as aggression towards women and...well...everyone. The trine isn't always a blessing from heaven. It's things that come easily to you, good or bad. I used to think the trine was always good, then I saw that deception has come easily for those I've known with Mercury trine Neptune. And for me, with Moon trine Mercury and Pluto trine ascendant...oversharing my feelings and vengefulness come easily for me. All that blabbering to say, I don't always see the trine as a good thing. It's just a lack of conflict.

posted December 18, 2015 11:24 PM            

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posted December 18, 2015 11:24 PM            

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Originally posted by lightbones:
There's a big difference between loving women and respecting women.

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THIS. One of my ex-friends (who incidentally is a huge Trump supporter) openly admits to being sexist. His words "I love women, there's just certain things that they do and some things that men do." We had a long argument where he essentially said that he loves women, he just doesn't respect them.

posted December 18, 2015 11:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am doing his chart. He has one of the classic aspects for LOVING women--Moon trine Mars

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His son apparently once accused him of only loving his money. His mother wondered what sort of son she'd raised.
http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2015/07/donald-ivana-trump-divorce-prenup-marie-brenner

posted December 18, 2015 11:39 PM            

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Originally posted by wheresthemoon:
THIS. One of my ex-friends (who incidentally is a huge Trump supporter) openly admits to being sexist. His words "I love women, there's just certain things that they do and some things that men do." We had a long argument where he essentially said that he loves women, he just doesn't respect them.

He likes Trump because Trump mirrors all his warped beliefs.

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posted December 18, 2015 11:46 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Some bizarre screencaps of his misogyny:
https://twitter.com/syedazs/status/675283583637016576

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posted December 18, 2015 11:47 PM            

I love Donald Trump. He is one of my heroes.I felt hopeless about the future of America before his candidacy. I have hope now. I say that to tell you I have a very favorable bent toward him. but I will try to be objective.

The natal chart is the blueprint of each native. Let’s study the blueprint of this amazing man. Love him or hate him, he is a FORCE!

First of all, we see Donald Trump’s Leo Mars conjunct his Ascendant. It makes some lovely aspects to his Sun, North Node and Moon. It makes no unfavorable/bad aspects. I call things as I see them. I call trines and sextiles favorable/good aspects. I call squares and oppositions unfavorable/bad aspects. Conjunctions vary based on the planets involved.

For Mr Trump, he has drive in his everyday life. He will say what is on his mind. He will be direct and he will be forthright. This is the nature of Mars conjunct the Ascendant, if we isolate this aspect. However, no aspect is in pure isolation, so we must look at it’s aspects.

Mr Trump has a lovely sextile to his Sun and North Node. The sextile to the Sun shows us that he can MANIFEST his drive into reality through the FORCE of his ego. The sextile to the NN shows us that he WILL achieve his goals. He will have an invisible force that moves him forward.

His Leo Mars makes a sextile to his Moon. This aspect shows us that his emotions and his drive can work in tandem.

His soft side can combine with his hard driving side to make for an implacable force of the yin and the yang.

These aforementioned aspects are those in the chart of a winner. No one could deny that Donald Trump personifies a winner.

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posted December 18, 2015 11:49 PM            

2) It's always baffling when people support/vote for politicians who go against their better interests.

posted December 18, 2015 11:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Here are a few paragraphs from my new article on his chart

I love Donald Trump. He is one of my heroes.I felt hopeless about the future of America before his candidacy. I have hope now. I say that to tell you I have a very favorable bent toward him. but I will try to be objective.

The natal chart is the blueprint of each native. Let’s study the blueprint of this amazing man. Love him or hate him, he is a FORCE!

First of all, we see Donald Trump’s Leo Mars conjunct his Ascendant. It makes some lovely aspects to his Sun, North Node and Moon. It makes no unfavorable/bad aspects. I call things as I see them. I call trines and sextiles favorable/good aspects. I call squares and oppositions unfavorable/bad aspects. Conjunctions vary based on the planets involved.

For Mr Trump, he has drive in his everyday life. He will say what is on his mind. He will be direct and he will be forthright. This is the nature of Mars conjunct the Ascendant, if we isolate this aspect. However, no aspect is in pure isolation, so we must look at it’s aspects.

Mr Trump has a lovely sextile to his Sun and North Node. The sextile to the Sun shows us that he can MANIFEST his drive into reality through the FORCE of his ego. The sextile to the NN shows us that he WILL achieve his goals. He will have an invisible force that moves him forward.

His Leo Mars makes a sextile to his Moon. This aspect shows us that his emotions and his drive can work in tandem.

His soft side can combine with his hard driving side to make for an implacable force of the yin and the yang.

These aforementioned aspects are those in the chart of a winner. No one could deny that Donald Trump personifies a winner.

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That last line, Ami, is wrong. I do deny it, and I fully believe he is the opposite of a "winner." He is a person who desperately wants to be a winner and believes brute force is the way to accomplish that.

Please don't make blanket statements. I think a lot of people would agree that we do not see him as a "winner" at all. The very idea is offensive and distasteful to me.

posted December 18, 2015 11:58 PM            

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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
This thread is cracking me up. And I do not support Trump at all. Not one bit. It's just funny to me because 1) the title to the topic should be changed to Bash Women Hating Man Wearing Raunchy Furry Toupée running for U.S. presidency here.

2) It's always baffling when people support/vote for politicians who go against their better interests.

3) The thread only has 50% to do with astrology

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posted December 18, 2015 11:59 PM            

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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
This thread is cracking me up. And I do not support Trump at all. Not one bit. It's just funny to me because 1) the title to the topic should be changed to Bash Women Hating Man Wearing Raunchy Furry Toupée running for U.S. presidency here.

2) It's always baffling when people support/vote for politicians who go against their better interests.

3) The thread only has 50% to do with astrology

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I've been quietly waiting for this thread to get moved to GU, like so.

posted December 19, 2015 12:04 AM            

Let's move around the chart wheel and see what we find. We move to the second house, the house of money and material security. Mr Trump has some unlikely planets here. He has Jupiter conjunct Chiron at 4 degrees. He has Neptune standing alone. I am surprised to find Chiron in the second house, very surprised. My experience with Chiron in the second has been poverty. Mr Trump did not grow up in poverty.

Jupiter conjunct Chiron strengthens the PAIN of Chiron. It took me quite a bit of study to come to the conclusion that Jupiter magnifies what it touches, for better or worse. Hence, if Jupiter touches an unfavorable asteroid such as Nessus( abuse), it will magnify abuse. If Chiron touches a favorable asteroid, such as Juno, it will magnify devotion and loyalty. Hence, in Mr Trump's case, pain will be magnified.

The pain will be associated with money. We have a birth time for Mr Trump. Assuming that it is correct, I have to revise my conclusions concerning Chiron in the second house. I would say that Mr Trump does have pain in the arena of money due to the placement of Chiron in the second house, but NOT due to poverty. More will be revealed as we study asteroids but for now, in the absence of actual poverty, I would say that FEAR of financial insecurity may drive Mr Trump. One may be very wealthy and be afraid of loss of money. I have seen this with people in my own life.

Let's move onto Neptune in the second house. This placement does not make sense to me, either. Neptune fogs what it touches and Mr Trump is very clear headed in the arena of money making. I have to theorize that Neptune gives great creativity, too, and this Neptune placement must refer to that.

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posted December 19, 2015 12:05 AM            

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Originally posted by wheresthemoon:
Guilty😂 sometimes I just need an excuse to let off some steam about Trump lol

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posted December 19, 2015 12:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Here is some more on his second house!

Let's move around the chart wheel and see what we find. We move to the second house, the house of money and material security. Mr Trump has some unlikely planets here. He has Jupiter conjunct Chiron at 4 degrees. He has Neptune standing alone. I am surprised to find Chiron in the second house, very surprised. My experience with Chiron in the second has been poverty. Mr Trump did not grow up in poverty.

Jupiter conjunct Chiron strengthens the PAIN of Chiron. It took me quite a bit of study to come to the conclusion that Jupiter magnifies what it touches, for better or worse. Hence, if Jupiter touches an unfavorable asteroid such as Nessus( abuse), it will magnify abuse. If Chiron touches a favorable asteroid, such as Juno, it will magnify devotion and loyalty. Hence, in Mr Trump's case, pain will be magnified.

The pain will be associated with money. We have a birth time for Mr Trump. Assuming that it is correct, I have to revise my conclusions concerning Chiron in the second house. I would say that Mr Trump does have pain in the arena of money due to the placement of Chiron in the second house, but NOT due to poverty. More will be revealed as we study asteroids but for now, in the absence of actual poverty, I would say that FEAR of financial insecurity may drive Mr Trump. One may be very wealthy and be afraid of loss of money. I have seen this with people in my own life.

Let's move onto Neptune in the second house. This placement does not make sense to me, either. Neptune fogs what it touches and Mr Trump is very clear headed in the arena of money making. I have to theorize that Neptune gives great creativity, too, and this Neptune placement must refer to that.

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Another possibility is that his wealth has caused him pain. Perhaps he has had to learn the hard way that money doesn't buy happiness?

He has also filed for bankruptcy several times, or so I've heard.

posted December 19, 2015 12:12 AM            

Ami - you've mentioned having to watch the ego before, haven't you? Would his Jupiter-ruled Moon inflate his ego?

I saw something in that article I linked above, about him having Hitler's speeches. He's been compared to Hitler, recently.

One thing about a thread going off-topic: you can look for things discussed, in the natal chart, transits, progressions, etc.

posted December 19, 2015 02:11 AM            

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Originally posted by karenkellybella:
I'd be more interested in Bernie Sanders chart. He is truly interesting!

btw, I have Mars conj Asc. I am confident but since my Mars in the the 12th, it might be a rather inverted. It IS in Capricorn (exalted) so I guess that counts for something. I do know how to get things done and I've been DOING all my life. Sometimes I get tired of all the doing and think I'd like a break, but the one who can't seem to give me a break is ME. I mean to rest, but then I'm up till the wee hours still going, going, going.

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