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Topic: Donald Trump Mars on the ASC
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karenkellybella
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posted December 19, 2015 02:17 AM
  
I do get burned out. I also have an Aries sun/moon/chiron/mercury stellium in the third which is pretty energetic on it's own. Mars in 12th/Cap is what I've always thought led to the burnout though.
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Do you find that you get burnt out at all? I know someone with this same aspect in late Capricorn and they need a lot of time alone after they've gone on and on, working and working. Not sure if this is the aspect or just Capricorn Mars in general.
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QuietSam
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posted December 19, 2015 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by karenkellybella:
Pluto is currently transiting his 5th house. What to make of that?
I don't think much of where Pluto is transiting but what kind of aspects Pluto makes to which planets. Transiting Pluto is squaring his Jupiter. Once someone said Jupiter square Pluto (one natal and the other transit) means wanting power and money so badly and under such a transit one might take morally questionable actions. IP: Logged |
karenkellybella
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posted December 19, 2015 04:04 AM
Ah. That makes sense. Jupiter would expand his plutonic impulses? Or would Pluto annihilate his beneficence?IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted December 19, 2015 04:44 AM
Donald Trump  I don't want to get into him too much. I am just interested in the Mars/Asc conjunct. What I do recognize here, are the hostile opinions people have of him. Which is fitting for someone with a Mars/MC square. What I do recognize from him, is perhaps a projection of my own placement. He has Mars asc conjunct. I have the opposition. What we have in common is the "hero" complex. Not in the Pisces "behind the scenes" way. But more in the "I want to be seen as someone who is in the forefront and taking charge" way. I don't really think he cares as much about being president. As much as he cares about being seen as the "saviour"; the one who came and whipped things back in shape etc. Also perhaps he looks at the presidential reign is somthing like a feather in his cap.Something of an "experince" to explore and write about one day. He is not likely to do the hard work of-course  He is not great at focus. The square of Mars in Leo to the MC in Taurus, suggests a dispute between being in the back and keeping the nose to the grindstone (Taurus)vs. being at the front,accepting applause and giving orders in a confident manner(Leo) Also compounding this,is the conjunction o Mars to the Asc in Leo- which is the topic at hand. Ofcourse he will appear generous, confident and self assured. That is what Leo does. And they do it good  But that Sun/Moon opposition in mutables Sag and Gem,suggests an "idealist".
Brilliant with ideas but not someone pragmatic(unless that is what America wants) Add to that that Uranus/Moon opposition and you have someone who is very touchy about being told what to do. Because they are only interested in their own voice. It will be an interesting time if he really does win. Very interesting. IP: Logged |
Belba
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posted December 19, 2015 05:14 AM
It makes me sick to think Trump is by some considered a credible candidate, the whole world is laughing at US, and the bad stereotype we europeans have about America, has come to life. The one person I know with Gem Sun/Sag Moon opposition is mean, dramatic and self absorbed, with very fragile self confidence, unstable, volatile.
People with Moon/Mars I know are quick to anger, usually selfish and reckless. Somebody make Bernie thread please 
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Ami Anne
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posted December 19, 2015 08:40 AM
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wheresthemoon
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posted December 19, 2015 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
We are having a good discussion. If people will CONTINUE being polite, we can keep it up. No name calling, please. We can differ in political points of view without being nasty and mean to each other!
Ami, I made several polite (and strictly astrological) responses to your article, about which you had nothing to say.
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Ami Anne
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posted December 19, 2015 11:35 AM
I am gonna work on the aspects to his second house planet later and will stick up the info. The ASPECTS to his Chiron etc will show us more, as will asteroids. He has pain in the arena of money but we need to see the hows and whys. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted December 19, 2015 02:33 PM
We have just taken a cursory look at the planets inhabiting the second house and not the aspects. The aspects will give us more specific information, so here we go! Jupiter in the second house is classic for making money easily. The Jupiter has several very lovely trines to Mr Trumps tenth house planets. We could expect him to have an outstanding tenth house and he does. We will get to that in due time. For now, his lucky money Jupiter has close trines with his Sun, Uranus and North Node. This is like a nuclear rabbit's foot for making money. Mr Trump has used his natural talent to build an empire. We can see how in this one small part of his chart, but we have just begun! Mr Trump has some Jupiter squares but they are wide, so I will forego discussing them. I think we need to remember the salient point that he has had pain in the arena of money. This fact will be one of those that we take forward to the rest of the chart to try to find out WHY.
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Ami Anne
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posted December 19, 2015 03:03 PM
His Chiron makes a close trine with Uranus in his tenth house, but no other close aspect, of course, except the conjunction with Jupiter. Hence, we can surmise that changes in his career may have brought pain.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted December 19, 2015 03:10 PM
Let’s look at Mr Trump’s Neptune in the second house. I see this aspect as someone who does not navigate the world of money well, but in his case, that would not be a conclusion that squared with reality. In his case, I would say that he would have creativity in the arena of money, which he does. Let’s look at the aspects for more information. Neptune has a close square with Mercury in the eleventh house. Mercury in the eleventh house could be a person who cares about the world larger than his own personal world. I think we could say that this was the case. The SQUARE is not a good aspect, though. One could not see clearly in this arena. One may not see with a clear bent to reality. One may look at the world through a personal lens which was not an accurate one. Every person( or most) have squares. Squares need to be worked around, in my opinion. They cannot be changed but many people do not agree with me on this one. ------------------
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Sulkyarcher
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posted December 19, 2015 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by lundan:
hello racist!
I'm going to be civil, even if this type of comment above is an attack rather than an argument. I am Asian and I like Trump. I also like other Asian people too! And I have no problem with other races, or whatever. This type of argument is old hat and incorrect. And I'll leave it at that. IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher
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posted December 19, 2015 07:13 PM
I like Trump but I don't want him as the President. I think he's better as an entertainer. I think that my Leo Moon likes his Sagittarius Moon, and I like his brashness and directness.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted December 19, 2015 07:46 PM
hello racist!Can't help myself. This reminded me of a song 
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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted December 19, 2015 08:12 PM
I appear to have the same Sun in 10th House and Jupiter in 2nd House placements. My Mercury is also in 11th House. And my Venus is pretty close to his.My North Node is opposite my Sun. His is Conjunct his Sun.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted December 19, 2015 08:15 PM
Mr Trump's Neptune makes a nice sextile with Pluto in the twelfth house. I am very surprised that Mr Trump has a twelfth house Pluto. This Pluto is squarely inhabiting the twelfth house, versus being within ten degrees of the Ascendant, which could be considered as a first house Pluto, a VERY different animal. The twelfth house Pluto suppresses his personal power, not what we see in Mr Trump, who seems like a veritable personal powerhouse. However, the chart is ALWAYS right, if we have the correct time. I am reminded of Handwriting Analysis, which is one of my hobbies. I am, often, shocked in what the handwriting reveals. The most pious seeming person can be the most prideful. The most outgoing can be the most self conscious. In the same manner, I am surprised by several things in Mr Trump's chart, not the least of which is the twelfth house Pluto. ------------------
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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted December 19, 2015 08:18 PM
That Pluto is almost 20 degrees away from the Ascendant.What I gather form all this is that the 12th House isn't as negative as what most people think it is, and Chiron may not be entirely about pain. Just as Jupiter may not be entirely about wealth. Billionaires have Jupiter in 2nd House. I have Jupiter in 2nd House, and may not have a dime to my name. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted December 19, 2015 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
That Pluto is almost 20 degrees away from the Ascendant.What I gather form all this is that the 12th House isn't as negative as what most people think it is, and Chiron may not be entirely about pain. Just as Jupiter may not be entirely about wealth. Billionaires have Jupiter in 2nd House. I have Jupiter in 2nd House, and may not have a dime to my name.
Yes, his Pluto is smack dab in the 12th, Ian.
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Ami Anne
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posted December 19, 2015 08:25 PM
On the 12th House, I am with the classic Astrologers and see it as the biggest challenge in the chart.Current Astrology is politically correct, as is everything else. I, personally, will never be politically correct  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted December 19, 2015 08:58 PM
I want to take a brief digression to say that Mr Trump has a true earth void, as I do. We are not practical with details. We are not earth bound. We feel as if we walk a few inches from Mother Earth. This is not really a comfortable feeling. It is slightly unsettling. One craves to be a little bit more grounded. However, earth voids are said to attract money easily. There is something inside them that is not that attached to money. This lack of attachment draws money to them.I have to put Mr Trump's earth void under the category of surprises for me because he seems very, very grounded, to me.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted December 19, 2015 09:20 PM
Now, Mr Trump's MC is earth--Taurus. This is interesting. When we have an elemental void, such as an earth void, in this case, and the element is situated on the Ascendant or MC, the native APPEARS very earth bound. However, in reality he is not. This is very interesting. This situation can be hard for the native because others see him in such a way that he is, actually, not. ------------------
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posted December 19, 2015 09:23 PM
Trump is a vile racist goon and exploitative fearmonger as well as shameless greedy bullying sociopath who is more acquainted with divorce, elitism and bankruptcy than the Constitution. He wants to be president of this country yet has no respect for its founding principles of religious liberty. He would happily exploit Americans' racism, smallmindedness and fear to get what he wants--power. He's appalling and I cannot believe anyone here at a site honoring Linda would like him let alone call him their hero. that Ami considers him a hero is hardly surprising though. She's vile, exploitive and bigoted herself, from what I've seen on her own site and here. She comes here to feed off off people's generosity, honesty and kindness here and pushes her own brand of narrowmindeness. She must be a nasty person irl to think Trump is admirable. Just gross. I don't care what anyone think about be polite here. We are beyond politeness with Trump and Trump worship. Trump wants to deny Americans their rights based on their religion, he wants to gain power riding people's hatred and bigotry, his rhetoric is feuling acts of violence and terrorism against Muslims in this country and IT IS INTOLERABLE TO ANY DECENT HUMAN BEING THAT HE SHOULD BE CALLED A HERO. Racism is evil. Using racism to gain power is beyond evil. If anyone wants to know the deeply toxic impact Trump is having on good, decent Americans who happened to be Muslim, follow author Saladin Ahmed's twitter. He has been very honest of how Islamophobia and racism has always effective his life as an American, something every American needs to understand. It's shameful any American has to deal with this and we all should be angry that it happens. And Ami, learn some empathy, if you can. It will help you grasp why Trump is no hero. That said, I'm done with this site. Too many toxic, parasitic people here. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted December 19, 2015 09:24 PM
And being Earth void is one of his weaknesses as a businessman. He is a great enunciator of strategic objectives. Articulating a coherent strategy requires intellect and vision. However, strategy without execution is not very effective. That is precisely why he is able to build glittery casinos, hotels and condo complexes, and yet not have the patience with a follow through on his strategy, leaving that aspect to others. He rode six real estate projects into bankruptcy because of his lack of follow through. That's my perspective of him from the business angle. No comments about politics here.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted December 19, 2015 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
And being Earth void is one of his weaknesses as a businessman. He is a great enunciator of strategic objectives. Articulating a coherent strategy requires intellect and vision. However, strategy without execution is not very effective. That is precisely why he is able to build glittery casinos, hotels and condo complexes, and yet not have the patience with a follow through on his strategy, leaving that aspect to others. He rode six real estate projects into bankruptcy because of his lack of follow through. That's my perspective of him from the business angle. No comments about politics here.
I am an earth void, as I said. It is weird to be a void. I am super dumb around the house, like a moron. I had a cleaning lady and she, literally, thought I was a moron, until I taught myself Spanish, her native language and the only one she could speak lol ------------------
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posted December 19, 2015 09:31 PM
We are trying to stick to Mr Trump's chart and making a good effort in this direction. If you hate him, that is fine but not really the place to throw that out. Thanks!------------------
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