posted February 12, 2016 10:27 AM            

I was reading up on Neptune conjunct Moon. It makes a lot of sense.

What do you see, how would you analyse when you see his chart? Where is he reluctant? I have my own thoughts but would be great to get some more input.

Personally I believe there is also projection going on with her Moon Saturn conjunction. I can post her chart as well.

posted February 12, 2016 11:26 AM            

Without a birth time we don't know if there is a moon-Neptune conjunction or not...

I'm hesitant to call out certain factors because I don't want others to be offended, as I name a placement or aspect that I'm seeing here, which I've linked to egotism in the past.

posted February 12, 2016 05:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

I'm hesitant to call out certain factors because I don't want others to be offended

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People who get offended are letting others offend them, what about taking responsibility for your own reaction towards what others do or say? what about working on our own coping skills and getting thicker skin or learn to laugh it off or IGNORE?

Reality of life is there will always be people who don't like you and people who will say things that you don't like or hurt your feelings, what you do have control over is how you chose to take that and react to it or deal with it.

Living in a world were everyone is censoring themselves 24/7 and everyone is deciding for you what is appropriate to say or not is not a world I want to promote at all.

posted February 12, 2016 07:53 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
People who get offended are letting others offend them, what about taking responsibility for your own reaction towards what others do or say? what about working on our own coping skills and getting thicker skin or learn to laugh it off or IGNORE?

Reality of life is there will always be people who don't like you and people who will say things that you don't like or hurt your feelings, what you do have control over is how you chose to take that and react to it or deal with it.

Living in a world were everyone is censoring themselves 24/7 and everyone is deciding for you what is appropriate to say or not is not a world I want to promote at all.

If you have observed something you feel may be valuable you should share it, you can't live in fear always worrying you will offend someone, censoring yourself and constantly erasing everything you say; it just feels and sounds like such a burden to me.

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Sorry?

I write things, think about it, THEN realize how it could be taken differently than I intended it. I have Saturn opposing Mercury...delayed reaction to my own writing.

Mercury square Uranus...

Hard to figure out what I want to say sometimes.

posted February 12, 2016 08:53 PM            

For instance...the topic is ego, I see sun square Saturn, I think of my sister who has that and is a full-blown narcissist.

But not everyone with that aspect is like her. So, why even say this?

I see sun in Virgo conjunct my ex's sun, oh yeah, everything always went straight to his head and it basically ruined him over time.

My apologies to my very good friend at this forum who has the same birthday as him.

Sag moon, god I can think of so many Sag moons who are pompous.

But as I roll out all these reasons I just sound like a troll. It's stream-of-thought negativity.

posted February 12, 2016 10:14 PM            

I feel you did an excellent job expressing your experience there extremely delicately, you still have room there to let loose but regardless is fine/cool.

Your ex Sun in Virgo conjuncts his what?

I am getting off topic a bit at this point but there is something that I am starting to understand about sag influence people with an uranian influence. Let me speak for myself to be completely fair as you have venus in sag with mercury in aqua and appear to not be this way. My 3rd house ruler is Uranus and it conjuncts my Chart ruler Jupiter and both fall in my 12th but conjunct my AC under 10d.

I like to say things that I don't necessarily mean/feel or plan to do just bc of the shock value of it or to joke around or bc I enjoy the freedom to be able to say it period, even more so in the privacy of my own home talking or playing around with my husband.

If our conversations got recorded and made public I am sure that would go terribly. I also loooove doing the devil's advocate thing for the hell of it at times and switch around back and forth just bc I value the freedom to be able to that and the mental exercise of thinking from a different angle/perspective etc. So if you hear a certain part of the conversation you won't get the whole picture of how I feel or be confused about were I stand and can jump into conclusions about who I am but Oh well! nobody is ever going to please everyone that is a fact so I am going to be me. I do have enough common sense to manage and regulate this aspect of myself in certain environments or situations thankfully but I always let that aspect of me show to some extent. Tbf that side of me comes out more with my husband bc he likes to talk about controversial things but that is a huge part of why I felt drawn to him, I guess my relationship with him lets that side of me express itself freely.

Some people like to push buttons which is not something I feel I do but I feel there is something genuinely valuable in that tbf as annoying as that may be, its like a mindfulness exercise that causes discomfort but it forces you to address and look into that discomfort so you can heal and release its roots so that the source has less power over you making room for more positive things.

posted February 12, 2016 10:51 PM            

Word play as just that --> word PLAY.

I feel no burden in holding back criticism. I don't feel it strongly to begin with. It's not like a pressure cooker. I don't have that option, really, of holding back.

With my Gemini Mars trine 3H Pluto, and Pluto trine 6H Mercury, I thought I've made it obvious on numerous occasions that when I want to call someone to task, I just go ahead and do it.

But I usually won't rip a placement to shreds. I don't like that approach, I'm just not a negative person. But admittedly, as I learn about the placement, I have to confront the negative head-on to absorb the energy in all its possible manifestations.

And on that note, recently a few Virgos who I thought I was on good terms with sprang on me with criticism out of the blue, as you did above, and now I'm starting to wonder if I should incorporate that into my understanding of Virgos: be prepared that they will not hold back, just because you are on friendly terms.

Rug may get ripped out from under your feet at any time.

Come to think of it...haven't I always known this??? YES...but I idealize this sign...so I didn't want to see it.

That does not apply to the aforementioned Virgo whose birthday is the same as my ex's (HI if you're reading <3), nor some other Virgos, but there IS a pattern of this, so next time it happens I will just think, "Ohhhh your Virgo is acting up. Not surprised."

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Your ex Sun in Virgo conjuncts his what?

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Ex's sun is his only planet in Virgo, @20 degrees. His sun conjunct Sylven's friend's husband's sun and Mars, and more widely, his Mercury.

posted February 12, 2016 11:42 PM            

I do like to help people become aware of areas that need attention or improvement and things they are not fully aware of about themselves. I guess that is criticizing or my 'virgo acting up' or 'pulling the rug under you' lol but I like to call it 'raising self awareness or worse case constructive criticism.' But me starting a dialogue with you about communicating freely without censoring was not about you exactly, it was more about promoting in general the idea of people feeling free to express themselves without censoring their thoughts.

If multiple virgos are pointing out something to you maybe you are suppose to learn from them something. Maybe that is a more empowering way to look at it but maybe we are just annoying and picking on you; as for me my intention is to empower others and help them raise their awareness and awesomeness so they can feel happier and more free that is all.

Moon is in Pisces right now and I remember you saying you don't like it when the moon is in your own sign, if I remember correctly that.

posted February 12, 2016 11:43 PM            

I fully agree with what hypatia was saying as well. I think the intention is good!

posted February 13, 2016 12:11 AM            

@hypatia

If anyone here thinks that I am not aware of how bad it looks that I delete and struggle to formulate a response worth leaving up sometimes...you are mistaken.

I'm aware. But consider that what's easy for some people isn't easy for everyone.

And maybe consider that it's not the best idea to approach in a manner such as...

Hey! I noticed you have a problem, let me lecture you about your problem...

posted February 13, 2016 12:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
^ Hi

@hypatia

If anyone here thinks that I am not aware of how bad it looks that I delete and struggle to formulate a response worth leaving up sometimes...you are mistaken.

I'm aware. But consider that what's easy for some people isn't easy for everyone.

And maybe consider that it's not the best idea to approach in a manner such as...

Hey! I noticed you have a problem, let me lecture you about your problem...

You gave me your $0.02, so...there's $0.02 back.

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Thank you for you 0.02! it means a lot me, you are right! and I love that you told me this.

I need to improve my approach, I need a mentor maybe to give me pointers tbh and if you have any pls give me some, I really mean that. I too am in the process of learning about communication! Learning about communication is a big part of my journey and I want to figure this out.

posted February 13, 2016 12:38 AM            

Back to the OP...

I think there's a good chance that he is. Sun conjunct Mars and Jupiter in 3rd seem the most telling, followed by his Sag Moon and perhaps even his Chiron in 7th house (issues relating to other people). None of these factors alone would necessarily point to being an egotist, but I think combined, they just might.

posted February 13, 2016 01:06 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:

I think I'll just mosey on.
This is ironic now as my feelings that one shouldn't feel a need to censor themselves has led to feeling that I should censor myself.

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posted February 13, 2016 01:33 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
It's interesting that y'all see Faith's comment as holding back...I mostly just see her Pisces moon as being more considerate and sensitive to others'. My Pisces ASC is prone to responding the same way face-to-face, but like her, I have Gemini Mars and therefore have no issues speaking my mind when an issue arises (clearly lol). It's a matter of discretion in my eyes, which is a personal choice.

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yeah but if you are discreet all the time and worried about hurting people's feelings that leads to a passive style of communication.

You have no issues speaking your mind clearly LOL very true but I feel you and Faith are completely different.

You are a sun virgo like me but don't you have moon in aries? bc when you spoke your mind the other day I feel that is what I saw in play. Gemini is diplomatic so mars in gemini with moon in pisces really describes Faith and how she is about communication, extremely considerate and sometimes really playful and others very anxious and sensitive around matters of communication, I wonder if her moon squares her mars now?

posted February 13, 2016 02:56 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
yeah but if you are discreet all the time and worried about hurting people's feelings that leads to a passive style of communication.

You have no issues speaking your mind clearly LOL very true but I feel you and Faith are completely different.

You are a sun virgo like me but don't you have moon in aries? bc when you spoke your mind the other day I feel that is what I saw in play. Gemini is diplomatic so mars in gemini with moon in pisces really describes Faith and how she is about communication, extremely considerate and sometimes really playful and others very anxious and sensitive around matters of communication, I wonder if her moon squares her mars now?

I don't have gemini at all, I just have it in my northnode in the 7th. I can be diplomatic when I want to and often use those skills but is in my northnode so I can learn more tactics and better approaches as I grow older, is part of my journey. My mercury squares my nodes.

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Actually I have Gemini Moon but it conjuncts my Mars tightly, so there's a bit of Mars/Aries flavor to it. I'm a little fiery lol but ideally try to be assertive and not aggressive (7th house Sun & Mercury). Though as we all know it doesn't always work out that way.

My Gemini Moon/Mars comes out on here. In person, I'm quiet, sensitive and considerate. And very, very anxious.

I guess I just see it differently. I see it as, if she wants to communicate that way, cool. If I want to communicate my way, cool. If you want to promote freedom of speech, that's cool too. If her method leads to passive style of communicating, well, that's her deal, you know? Or maybe it won't - Caps aren't known for being passive. As Virgos we usually have the best of intentions in mind with our criticism but we have be careful with where we direct it and how we use it. It can be either a gift or a weapon. Even when we're talking about something else entirely, our words can hurt.

I edit/censor many of my posts for the same reason. Often times things sound okay the first time around but after I reread it, I realize it sounds a way that I didn't intend. I admire that there's people who don't, but I also know that what I'm thinking inside my head may be hard for other people to understand, because they're not me. No point in encouraging a huge misunderstanding based on my unfiltered thoughts, you know?

posted February 13, 2016 03:24 AM            

Men with Venus in Leo may have a tendency to want to take care of the wife's every need. She has Venus in Scorpio, so she has great needs and with her Sun in Libra in 2nd house, she seems like she has a strong value set. I think they have a Mars conjunct Venus Leo synastry aspect -- strong male vs. female dynamic, it's flipped though, as she is Mars and he is Venus. He has a stressed Saturn and Jupiter, and she has a stressed Mars. Never underestimate how bad Jupiter can be in a chart. They both have Mars/Mercury aspects which means irritated and rage underneath their communication as a whole.

He may not even have a 12th house of planets, which will completely change the whole thing...His multiple T-square shows fear, vulnerability, excess, restriction, doubt.

posted February 13, 2016 03:56 AM            

Thank you all for coming in and write your words. I know it's not very easy to tell when time of birth is not known. I will ask him if he wants to ask his mom. She is still alive. I am almost sure he has Neptune conjunct Moon.

I don't have much time now but I will surely be back to comment and what not.

There is much to say here. I am excited!! Even though it is not really nice for them. Now I sound like a freak. I always like when things get stirred up.

I think and feel good when people just tell their honest opinion as long as they do so with respect. And if they choose to do so without respect well, it is a choice to react.

posted February 13, 2016 06:40 AM            

I don't suffer with anxiety.

I don't delete things because I'm nervous. I just thought it over and realized I'd rather say something else, or nothing. (Awesome typo I just corrected..."I'd rather say something elvis.") Or, it was a time-sensitive message to begin with, not something I wanted in the permanent record...for my own reasons.

@StubbornVirgo:

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I also know that what I'm thinking inside my head may be hard for other people to understand, because they're not me. No point in encouraging a huge misunderstanding based on my unfiltered thoughts, you know?

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Thanks, ditto, exactly.

@Sylven

posted February 13, 2016 10:05 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
I just didn't understand the backlash for trying to encourage.

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Oh, well, I didn't see this as encouragement:

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If you have observed something you feel may be valuable you should share it, you can't live in fear always worrying you will offend someone, censoring yourself and constantly erasing everything you say; it just feels and sounds like such a burden to me.

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I saw it as