posted June 22, 2016 10:24 AM            

The thing with Scorpio is, they feel things deeper than most people do.

What might just annoy you and fall away as a passing memory the next day could set a Scorpio into a dark, downward spiral that brings them to rock bottom. They are prone to depression, they can actually see the stark side of reality that most of us are blind to or can choose to ignore...it's right in their face.

Their challenge is to gain control over themselves so they aren't as vulnerable to their own natural impulses and abilities.

As they evolve spiritually they gain the ability to go down to the depths, as deep as it goes, and still ascend from that as high as they want to go. They get full range.

We all have Scorpio in our charts, our moons all progress through Scorpio if we live long enough, so we all have the opportunity to engage in this challenge. It's just more of a central theme to Scorpio-heavy people, I believe...and they have a peculiar kind of strength when they master their issues. Different in quality from the strength of other signs, when they are evolved. Like an evolved Aries might bring joy and resilience to people, an evolved Taurus brings comfort and beauty, evolved Gemini has tremendous understanding of the world and can put it into words, and so on.

My brother is a Scorpio and I'm not really sure where I would put him on the growth chart. He's had a hard life but is still very funny and upwardly mobile. Not a luminescent guru but someone most people would admire.

posted June 22, 2016 12:50 PM            

The way Faith put it was perfect. I can always rely on Scorpios to understand the emotional disasters I go through myself (I have Scorpio energy as well though) because they know what these experiences are like. For example, let's say that they held an attachment to a fictional character. If that character were to die, their entire life could so easily be destroyed because of the amount of intensity they felt for that character per say. It can be as minor as breaking up with someone to as terrifying as watching your beloved murdered right before your eyes, they will experience it with the most intensity one couldn't imagine.

As an Aquarius with a fourth house stellium, it often saddens me when I try to bring them out of their negative view point and fail, but they still consider me a friend regardless. They are very interesting creatures and I am inclined to say that people hate them because they don't understand them.

This is why phenomena like the Hades Moon exist, for the most sensitive parts of the soul are being put through completely dramatic highs and lows. People with Plutonian Moons may often feel that when they are completely "traumatized" as I want to put it, their hearts want to come ripping out of their bodies and run off rampant.

That is my take on Scorpio though. Their transformations will take a while, but if you were to observe, you could see the changes

posted June 22, 2016 02:27 PM              

Great amusement. If only anyone actually ever tried listening to a Scorpio, instead of trying to figure them out and putting their own take on it. Or even better, trying to spend time with them without rejecting them for being "too intense." The insights people would gain!

posted June 22, 2016 03:22 PM            

Was just taking to a friend about this the other day. People tend to "other" Scorpio and assume they don't have any... I'm talking non astrologers/people who are into it but don't even know their moon sign... and then they turn out to have a 6th house Scorpio stellium lol... you know.

Anyway... I'm one of the most Scorpio heavy people I know. I can barely describe how Scorpio i am lol... but i guess it's possible.

Ascendant 2 Scorpio
Mercury 10 Scorpio
Pluto 13 Scorpio
Sun 21 Scorpio

Jupiter-Vertex 8th house Gemini

Pluto square MC/IC 13 Leo/Aqua

Draconic Venus 6 Scorpio
Draconic Ascendant 21 Scorpio

Progressed Venus and Ascendant 21 Scorpio right now... on my Sun.

Anyway.

What am i trying to say here?

I've gone through some intense transformations... actually it doesn't seem to ever stop.

I'm constantly investigating feeling deeply into things figuring out what's going on. It's... freaking intense. If i didn't have a Capricorn Moon i would be... well... more overwhelmed! I'm lucky to have the placements i do because the rest of my chart is pretty harmonious and supportive, with 4 planets in their signs of rulership etc.

Still not sure what I'm saying or whether I'm answering the question.

But the Phoenix journey is a continual one. Remember there's the scorpion, who would rather sting itself to death than forego the pleasure of stinging... the eagle... who flies the closest to the sun.. the Phoenix who rises from the ashes of its own demise--as a newborn--innocent and humble and vulnerable...
and the dove... purity and peace...

Once we've examined all the nooks and crannies of our psyches... once we've plumbed the depths ... brought the uckiest muckiest up to the light for purification... then we can be true embodiment of that peace and light and true healing energy which burns through all pretense and disease and illusion and sees clearly.. as Faith said about looking at things others don't so much...

I used to be hyper aware of death when i was growing up. I thought about it all the time. I couldn't imagine how anybody on the bus, at school, etc. could POSSIBLY not be thinking about it! I mean... we're ALL going to DIE!

posted June 22, 2016 03:27 PM            

The path to compassion and enlightenment is different for each sign. Of course we all go through changes and challenges which help us transform and hopefully embody the higher more exalted qualities of any given sign which is featured.

Gemini learns to honor everybody's opinion and perspective, is a champion of uniqueness, of the chameleon, of the diversity of life. Sagittarius transforms from dogma to truth and wisdom and light... Leo from pride to heart centred generosity and unparalleled giving-ness, as the Sun is giving... Scorpio goes from horror death and sexual deviance to healing light and burning away that which is toxic to reveal the underlying harmony of the universe....

posted June 22, 2016 04:56 PM            

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Originally posted by deepseablues:
I love listening to non-Scorpios describe Scorpio

Great amusement. If only anyone actually ever tried [b]listening to a Scorpio, instead of trying to figure them out and putting their own take on it. Or even better, trying to spend time with them without rejecting them for being "too intense." The insights people would gain!

Ah well carry on. [/B]

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posted June 22, 2016 05:02 PM            

Presto change-o transformation...

posted June 22, 2016 05:07 PM            

Now then, as for me, where's my cat armor.....

posted June 22, 2016 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
The way Faith put it was perfect.

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Aw

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I can always rely on Scorpios to understand the emotional disasters I go through myself (I have Scorpio energy as well though) because they know what these experiences are like.

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Yes. Even if they don't, they are remarkably intuitive and can imagine it or at least pick up on your vibe and match it somehow. You're not alone when a Scorpio's on your side.

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
This is why phenomena like the Hades Moon exist, for the most sensitive parts of the soul are being put through completely dramatic highs and lows. People with Plutonian Moons may often feel that when they are completely "traumatized" as I want to put it, their hearts want to come ripping out of their bodies and run off rampant.

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posted June 22, 2016 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
So anyway yes while all signs/all people of all manner of sign emphases go through many transformations--of a Scorpio type very often!-- depending on planets and aspects and houses being transited (Pluto is always somewhere!), for a heavy Scorpio person transformation, intensity, loyalty, etc... these things... they're like bread and water. Like breathing air. Like, that's who we ARE, that is also what we elicit in others. We are a walking talking Scorpio transit for whoever comes in contact with us. For me given that the Scorpio planets fall in my 1st house, I identify with intense guttural emotional spiritual energy with specifically Scorpionic connotations. It doesn't just happen to me. It is me.

The path to compassion and enlightenment is different for each sign. Of course we all go through changes and challenges which help us transform and hopefully embody the higher more exalted qualities of any given sign which is featured.

Gemini learns to honor everybody's opinion and perspective, is a champion of uniqueness, of the chameleon, of the diversity of life. Sagittarius transforms from dogma to truth and wisdom and light... Leo from pride to heart centred generosity and unparalleled giving-ness, as the Sun is giving... Scorpio goes from horror death and sexual deviance to healing light and burning away that which is toxic to reveal the underlying harmony of the universe....

Does that help clarify?

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For me, yes.

posted June 22, 2016 05:56 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
Voila!

Presto change-o [b]transformation...

Even non-Scorpios can do it.[/B]

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Yup that's why I said I love it! I really do. It provides me with a lot of amusement. Of course non-Scorpios can do it. Not like a Scorpio though. And it's really funny when people try to say Planets in Scorpio is the same as the Sun in Scorpio or that being Plutonian is when most people can't even relate to Pluto on its higher level.

It's like the song from Aristocats only change cats to "Scorpio"

"Everybody wants to be a Scorpio..."

posted June 22, 2016 05:59 PM            

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Originally posted by deepseablues:
Yup that's why I said I love it! I really do. It provides me with a lot of amusement. Of course non-Scorpios can do it. Not like a Scorpio though. And it's really funny when people try to say Planets in Scorpio is the same as the Sun in Scorpio or that being Plutonian is.

It's like the song from Aristocats only change cats to "Scorpio"

"Everybody wants to be a Scorpio..."

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Wow you are so full of yourself.

That's amusing too!

Good times

posted June 22, 2016 06:01 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
A lot of what scorpios go through are hidden so people dramatize their perception of what they can't see...

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The question was, what do non-Scorpios think of Scorpios, from the outside looking in?

Valid question, right?

posted June 22, 2016 06:06 PM            

I think the best way to "grasp" the Scorpio transformation is through Jungian psychology (Carl Jung was a Plutonian himself). Here are a few quotes of his:

"No tree can grow to heaven unless its roots reach down to hell."

"A person must pay dearly for the divine gift of creative fire."

"One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious."

The Scorpio transformation has always been linked with death and rebirth (hence the symbol of the Phoenix), and in a psychological/ astrological context it represents the complete destruction of false structures, of the ego, and very often of plans, goals, dreams, relationships, and any ideas and perceptions a person can have about their own identity, and their reality. Of course the degrees of intensity of this process can very a lot. But to the person this does feel like death, and very often the outside world perceives the person as dead while they undergo the process (i.e. the person is isolated, withdrawn, perhaps going through a depression), as well as the person experiences themselves as "dead" to the world.

What this process leads to, is highly individual, because ultimately it connects you to the very essence of your soul, and so nobody can predict what will be discovered by any one individual. Through this "death" you encounter the immortal energies within you, the core inside you which can survive any fire, and I think this is the essence of the Scorpio and Plutonic energy.

I don't think it's about being able to say "I'm more happy", "I'm more powerful", "I'm more enlightened", but instead I think it's about being able to say "I'm more *me* ." - which actually can hold more intensity than all of the previous statements combined, if it's underpinned by pure authenticity.

posted June 22, 2016 06:09 PM              

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Originally posted by theunknown:
A lot of what scorpios go through are hidden so people dramatize their perception of what they can't see...

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Exactly. The transformations are very internal and solitary so they are not usually "seen" by others and Scorpio trying to describe the transformation falls on deaf ears.

Sure all 12 signs exist in everyones chart but they aren't all emphasized.

@Faith,

posted June 22, 2016 06:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
The question was, what do non-Scorpios think of Scorpios, from the outside looking in?

Valid question, right?

And we were not saying, "OMG look at me I am so totally like a Scorpio! Love me for it!" the way deepseablues is fantasizing about.

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That is true. They would be an example of one of the louder ones that wants all the attention, a case I've dealt with in Scorpio Ascendants as well.

I just think it's interesting seeing how they react. The thing with Scorpio is that they can be very different from one another. Often people mistake the loud ones for the true identity of Scorpio, which is a big mistake. I've talked with many different Scorpios, which include suns and moons, and I am strong in Pluto too.

I'll go into more detail when I get back home on a keyboard and not my phone lol.

posted June 22, 2016 06:13 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
The question was, what do non-Scorpios think of Scorpios, from the outside looking in?

Valid question, right?

And we were not saying, "OMG look at me I am so totally like a Scorpio! Love me for it!" the way deepseablues is fantasizing about.

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Nope its just in every thread about Scorpios people try to say they all go through similar transformations to Scorpio because they have a portion or planet in Scorpio or think they are Plutonian. Its okay to accept that its not the same.

I dont fantasize that at all. I have a very rich and beautiful imagination actually. Its much nicer than this plane. Or forum.

posted June 22, 2016 06:15 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
Wow you are so full of yourself.

That's amusing too!

Good times

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posted June 22, 2016 06:22 PM            

I forgot that Pluto is on my sun, and has been on your sun.

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The Scorpio transformation has always been linked with death and rebirth (hence the symbol of the Phoenix), and in a psychological/ astrological context it represents the complete destruction of false structures, of the ego, and very often of plans, goals, dreams, relationships, and any ideas and perceptions a person can have about their own identity, and their reality. Of course the degrees of intensity of this process can very a lot. But to the person this does feel like death, and very often the outside world perceives the person as dead while they undergo the process (i.e. the person is isolated, withdrawn, perhaps going through a depression), as well as the person experiences themselves as "dead" to the world.

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Yes and literal death seems to play a role with Scorpio...in my chart, deaths coincided with transits to my 8H moon and Scorpio NN.