posted August 12, 2016 12:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

But anyway because Pisces has no defense against their environment, it only makes sense they create distance either physically or emotionally, to protect themselves from sense overload. I know Pisces suns who keep people at arms' length because it's just "too much information" (energetic information) that they are taking in from people. So they may resort to being haughty or even saying bigoted things (or adopting bigoted beliefs) in desperation to get people to back off, so they can limit the number of people they are actually dealing with. Since they give so much...and know they need to conserve resources....so many have these social filters in place.

And it's kind of like Virgo, always working towards an ideal of perfection and hoping to find someone who appreciates that and can match them on the same level, without them having to actually request it.

The Virgo/Pisces service axis going above and beyond for others, and hoping someone will return the favor.

Babbling now...

Thanks for complimenting me, and ditto, I appreciate your humility, high level of perception, brains.

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posted August 12, 2016 12:13 AM            

Well *hugs* Elysia.

posted August 12, 2016 12:15 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Your post just blew my mind girl! Amazing insight, I have sun in Virgo square Neptune by 2d, moon in Pisces and Saturn conjunct pluto in the 12th and can really relate with your analysis.

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Thanks

Going to sleep and hoping y'all can solve this Riddle of the Spiritual/Bad-a$$ Pisces while I'm gone.

Good luck

posted August 12, 2016 12:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Thanks

Going to sleep and hoping y'all can solve this Riddle of the Spiritual/Bad-a$$ Pisces while I'm gone.

Good luck

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posted August 12, 2016 01:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Not to derail, but.. Honestly, I've never ever seen that for real.
The ones I've known, have always been the opposite-in-the-literal-sense of Virgo. Blind to other people's pain and forever complaining about their slightest hurts. Virgo expects to serve, and Pisces expects to *be* served. The people who roll up their sleeves and help out are Virgos, the ones who feel entitled to being carried from A to Z are Pisces. Yeah, in their heads they think they like to serve maybe. But IMO, a sacrifice is not a real sacrifice if you're going to bitterly resent the other person for your slightest inconveniences - when they've done ten times as much that you didn't even notice. No, that's hypocrisy. There are plenty of people who suffer as much or more than Pisces does, but they're not as vocal so they don't get the bushels of sympathy that fishes get.

Well, part of that may be coloured by personal experiences. There's the whole spectrum of all signs out there. Who knows who'll draw what. I may have been someone's nightmare of a Libran. They'll be saying to their friends, "But I thought Librans were supposed to be polite & charming?"

Anyhoo..point is, they're not the only ones. Many a Virgo suffers silently through the most trying of circumstances, and still manages to do ten things for ten different people. Scorpio sacrifices so silently and stoically, you'll never know unless they happen to let it slip, or you find out from someone else. Taurus & Capricorn consider it their responsibility to take care of people, not a burden. They do it by default, without bragging about it. So yeah, plenty of unsung heroes in the Zodiac.. They're practicing the spirituality that Pisces stands for, without knowing it in quite so many words.

I dunno why I'm being so contrary today. Just trying to inject some balance here. Too much over-idealisation of one sign.. *sigh*

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Well I had a good cry an hour ago bc I am So freaking burned out from compassion fatigue I want to jump off a building and I have sun in Virgo opposite moon in Pisces squaring Neptune forming a t-square with Neptune at the apex.

posted August 12, 2016 01:40 AM            

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Originally posted by curiouspisces89:
I'm a Pisces sun woman and my brother is Pisces sun. I agree that we live in a different world and I do enjoy life that way, but what I have learned over the years is to keep my fit on the ground when necessary. I think it's very dangerous for us to escape which is why I don't agree with you that earth and fire people are not good for us! Even air people are amazing for us. We can learn so much from them.

Also everything matters for us but we are ruled by Saturn so maybe we take things a bit more seriously then some Pisces out there

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posted August 12, 2016 02:16 AM            

I have found proof for astrology.

There's many hints to work off of. Bodily rulerships. Synastry. Progressed chart (which I believe there is a way which I find accurate)

Bodily rulership: Experiencing a planet change houses and feeling the according change in body (first to 12 house = head rulership to feet)

Progressed chart: Having the sun move from the first to 12th= more spiritual, likely more healthy, more paying attention to the "bigger picture" of the world, rather than focusing on your personal life and being adventurous (1st)

posted August 12, 2016 02:58 AM            

Yes, there is something to be said for groundlessness and learning to embrace the wisdom of this notion over time. But I don't think Pisces pride themselves on what you mentioned, it's just innate and part of our disposition. Every element has benefits and feelings. It's just each element is driven by different motivations or expresses themselves in different ways. With Pisces being last and embodying parts of each sign, if anything I think this just makes us more humble because we are seeing and intuiting things from many different sides. We know there are no concrete answers.

posted August 12, 2016 03:18 AM            

If I have to formulate what bothers me most in them is the ability to walk away from everything.

posted August 12, 2016 04:08 AM            

To quote one of the best astrologers ever - Robert Hand Horoscope Symbols:

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The Pisces symbol is two fishes swimming in opposite directions and like Sagittarius and Gemini, Pisces is traditionally referred to as a dual sign.There are two types of Piscean: the advanced (Pisces as the last stage in the evolution of the archetypal ego or self) and the primitive (Pisces as the stage just prior to a new beginning in Aries).
In both types the ego is less strongly definited than in other signs. Consequently the desire to assert oneself, to be somthing in particular, is less. Both Piscean types are extremely receptive. In the primitive type this leads to passivity and inaction and to being victim because one is unwilling to take responsibility. In the advanced type it leads to a desire to know the truth at a deep spiritual level, and even to sacrifice oneself for the truth. This is the manifestation of the martyr, in the true sense of the word, as opposed to the victim.

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posted August 12, 2016 06:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Nyctea:
Everyone's saying that he was rude and i didn't even noticed wtf

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posted August 12, 2016 06:26 AM            

He's made several posts about being depressed and suicidal. Something that in the past I've not been a stranger to. Anyone can read about depression and suicidal thoughts and get information. Myself and many others in the world having experience with it. (I never ever feel like that any more. Thankfully)
These posts and when he lashes out, classic. If you pay attention to the big picture off all of his posts. He's depressed, fighting to be understood, and lashes out at those who don't understand him.

posted August 12, 2016 06:37 AM            

They have to want the help, whether it's a big thing or a small thing.

I have to be careful to balance how much is too much helping others. It's healing and lifting but too much can stress me and suck my energy dry. I need that "just right" balance between the two.

posted August 12, 2016 07:21 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:

Like a 12 year old telling you what life is about with their "profound wisdom".

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posted August 12, 2016 07:23 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Paul "Radium" is [b]drastically different from all other Pisces that I've known. If I'd only had experience of Pisces from him, I don't know. I'd have a sour taste in my mouth of the sign. I've known a lot though and thankfully, although some of the mean can be a little abrasive at times I've never seen this.

He's made several posts about being depressed and suicidal. Something that in the past I've not been a stranger to. Anyone can read about depression and suicidal thoughts and get information. Myself and many others in the world having experience with it. (I never ever feel like that any more. Thankfully)
These posts and when he lashes out, classic. If you pay attention to the big picture off all of his posts. He's depressed, fighting to be understood, and lashes out at those who don't understand him.

He needs help. [/B]

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posted August 12, 2016 07:29 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I like your vibe a lot.

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posted August 12, 2016 07:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Yeah that's the pattern...

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posted August 12, 2016 08:09 AM            

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Originally posted by vertiver:
... In the advanced type it leads to a desire to know the truth at a deep spiritual level, and even to sacrifice oneself for the truth. This is the manifestation of the martyr, in the true sense of the word, as opposed to the victim.

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Duality

Pisces is a dual sign, meaning "I want to help you, yet I can't help myself."

"I want to serve you, yet I can't serve myself."

In fact, this phenomenon persists in various types of actions. This wavering, doubtfulness in head - always tries to seek reassurance somewhere else, portraying so called Pisces as a weak minded individual. At the highest extremes, Pisces admits its inefficiencies, manipulating it's way trough society as either the "wanna be servants" or "wanna be victims".

Moving on...

As you could observe, a lot of Pisces 'suns' revealed themselves through the ancient history as religious priests, monks and a servants of gods. Positioning themselves as:

"I am here to serve you all.". This is tricky. In fact it looks like truth. But yet goes the saying: People believe in what they want to believe.

Moving yet again...

In fact, Pisces as a kings trough the ancient history were neither brave nor fearless. Their leadership could be described as:

"I am here to share my wisdom." - people wanted a wise ruler to rule them all, is it because Pisces were so wise or is it because they managed to deceive the hungry crowd ?

Same goes for business, "I am here to help you make a fortune. Yet I haven't build my fortune yet." - Money managing business.

Pisces is a deceiving sign to me, in fact, it's tricky.

"The deceiver will always find someone willing to be deceived." Hence the name Federal Reserve*

posted August 12, 2016 08:28 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Well I had a good cry an hour ago bc I am So freaking burned out from compassion fatigue I want to jump off a building and I have sun in Virgo opposite moon in Pisces squaring Neptune forming a t-square with Neptune at the apex.

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posted August 12, 2016 08:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Brendan34:
Yes, there is something to be said for groundlessness and learning to embrace the wisdom of this notion over time. But I don't think Pisces pride themselves on what you mentioned, it's just innate and part of our disposition. Every element has benefits and feelings. It's just each element is driven by different motivations or expresses themselves in different ways. With Pisces being last and embodying parts of each sign, if anything I think this just makes us more humble because we are seeing and intuiting things from many different sides. We know there are no concrete answers.

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Well said, and I think most Pisces people are really humble and don't seem to care that they are "the most highly evolved sign." They know themselves and are quite realistic about what they can and can't do.