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Saturn8_Me
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posted August 27, 2016 08:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted August 28, 2016 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have definitely observed a similar pattern to your findings regarding the Sidereal Chart.
When we are stagnant and choose not to think and just live life without awareness, then the Sidereal Chart is really good at understanding how life would be. This is exactly why for a vast majority of people, the Vedic Directions based on Sidereal Chart Lunar Position works perfectly in timing mundane transits. Majority of people (Example: Those who will never even bother to read up on their Sun Sign, those who live only in a survival mode) are actually "Sleep Walking" through life and fully expressing their Sidereal Charts except in the moments where they reflect a bit and take action using their Will.

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posted August 28, 2016 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use the tropical natal angles on the draconic.

I use the sidereal to emphasize the energies on the tropical.

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posted August 28, 2016 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Saturn8_Me:
Aries23Degrees, I'm not sure I understand that draconic part.

So you're saying that people should be expressing their draco charts, but by inserting tropical angles, that gives an anchor to express the draco in this world?... For example, my tropical ASC falls in my Draco 8th house... sooooo.....???? The way that I behave or am/was influenced triggers my soul's 8th house matters/lessons...??? (sorry if I got that wrong, I tried! lol)

About the sidereal... So if sidereal Pluto sits exactly on my tropical ASC... it'll intensify my Tropical Scorpio ASC?.. Or if my sidereal MC is conjunct tropical Sun, it'll emphasize the sun's need for recognition and success?... How would that work in synastry? If I have sidereal moon conjunct my s.o.'s tropical moon, I would emphasize/magnify his moon? What does that do for me? Create and innate understanding/familiarity of his moon?

It also seems as though you are saying that sidereal influences tropical, and tropical influences draconic? Sidereal being the starting point and draco being the ultimate goal?

... Thank you both! Sorry, if I asked too may questions. I think I have a fairly good gasp on draco (for now), it's just sidereal that I'm struggling with. Also, if you don't mind, how would you rank the importance of these 3 charts, or are they equally important? Should we work on them all or just focus on one and leave the others behind?

Again, thanks!


I think all 3 are legitimate and have their own respective stories to tell. And not meant to "compete".

I am not too clued up with the sidereal zodiac. But i do recall watching a video that talked of aspects between planets. And the aspects were quite differing and far from similar to those on the conventional tropical system

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posted September 11, 2016 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, according to the Multidimensional Method, the three actually operate in harmony on a karmic level. Think of it in temporal terms, and it may make more sense.

Here's where it was fully explained, as I first began solidifying the method.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/002936-3.html

In short, I've found that the Sidereal is a direct reflection of our past; it's karma, that which we've 'been' and what's been 'done' elsewhere. This can also reveal any looks you might be caught in, when compared to the Tropical and Draco.

Tropical works best when its Huber degrees are also being implemented. If the Tropical is a house we've built, then the Huber degrees are what ACTUALLY happens in that house; all the dings, decor, and dramas. Huber reveals what actually became of the theory in practise. I highly recommend identifying the Huber NODES especially.

So anything in Tropical is here in the present; it's what we're dealing with, growing into, and managing on a daily basis. It's also what we're becoming on an Ego level. It's the here-and-now in the Third Dimension.

Draconic is our Soul's Path. It's where we're heading on a soul level -- what we're growing into beyond the Ego, Third Dimension, and the Now as we're experiencing it here according to those patterns. It's transcendent. Its placements may surprise us, or it may seem logical or feel intuitive, depending upon our development in this area. Also, it's a higher mirror of the Tropical in that the houses remain the same. Some even say it charts the Higher Mind (or Self, depending upon your preferred lingo.)

When putting it all together, it's a multi-tiered process. You want to begin at the Sidereal to note all unconscious influences, and operating karma -- especially how it's affecting the Tropical (present lifeline).

But when it comes to Draco points, Tropical relationship is a welcome addition, anchoring the energy in the present, rather than remaining Fifth Dimensional, and thus outside of our reach.

I hope some of those are valuable pointers and can help you along your way.

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posted September 11, 2016 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Saturn8_Me:

... So if sidereal Pluto sits exactly on my tropical ASC... Or if my sidereal MC is conjunct tropical Sun

... How would that work in synastry? If I have sidereal moon conjunct my s.o.'s tropical moon ...?


sPLUTO conjunct ASC shows karmic power struggles, dynamics, and issues that are playing out in the realm of your ASC or lens on the world now. Do you ever feel as if you intimidate others without meaning to? Do conjunctions do your ASC end up inexplicably Plutonian? Almost as if PLUTO is involved, when it isn't? It is, but on a karmic level.

sMC conjunct SUN is a clue that your ego is hungering to continue a vocational path you have in an alternate lifeline. Check any Draco points that might be here to provide clues as to how this could link to the soul mission.

sMOON / MOON is a dead giveaway karmic relationship. Careful that your karmic, unconscious, 'old triggers' don't reactivate such patterns in your significant other's MOON without good reason. This can feel a lot like a MOON conjunct SNODE for the Tropical partner; it's 'been there, done that'. Very familiar, cosy, but can stagnate without proper growth. Now I say 'good reason' because these triggers are often necessary for growth of the MOON, but can feel like too much rehash for the sMOON, too. Just watch that you don't get swamped in old emotional patterns you've both outgrown. That's why this contact is intrinsically karmic.

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posted September 11, 2016 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, the 'SNODE Chart' is the Ketu Chart.

Yes, this can prove very useful for immediately identifying karmic relationships, similarly to the Sidereal placements, but more complete karmic patterns can be seen more easily in the Ketu.

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posted September 12, 2016 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Saturn8_Me:
Okay, I've been checking out your link.

One more question:
I see you talk a lot about tight conjunctions, but what about oppositions?


No. Just conjunctions.

Not everything is going to hit. But then it's not supposed to.

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posted September 12, 2016 02:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

Not everything is going to hit. But then it's not supposed to.


Also what orb do you use for conjunctions?

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posted September 12, 2016 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Also what orb do you use for conjunctions?


I keep it within 3°, Ceri. Standard. I might expand to 5° if I'm feeling bold, but keeping it to 3° has really helped to maintain focus and accuracy.

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posted September 12, 2016 04:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks. I agree.

Just realized for the first time that Mr Sag has sDESC EXACT on his North Node, along with sSaturn being there as well.

(I have sVenus conjunct my Neptune-NN, which I found interesting as well)


also noticed this

my sJuno conjunct my tPsyche
his dr Juno conjunct his tPsyche

and our tropical Psyches are conjunct within a degree.

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Thanks. I agree.

Just realized for the first time that Mr Sag has sDESC EXACT on his North Node, along with sSaturn being there as well.

(I have sVenus conjunct my Neptune-NN, which I found interesting as well)

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posted February 21, 2018 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 21, 2018 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Saturn8_Me

Looking at my family, I do see their Draconic positions..more especially the Moon. It could be that there is a combination of both in the personality.

Maybe look at your family and see what conclusions you reach.

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posted April 28, 2018 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just pick a system, sheesh.
Jk
I’m on the fence also...

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posted April 28, 2018 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sidereal seems to work damn well for me.

But my chart basically goes from having 6 planets in water to having no water in sidereal except the North Node.

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posted April 28, 2018 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
anonymidarkness, I agree.

In my case I went from Fire to Water Ascendant but after all my examining of my
options between them, I see my Sidereal fitting best. I've stuck with it about 5 weeks so far. I look at Heliocentric+Draconic too for the more deeper meanings (soul level).

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posted May 04, 2018 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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