posted August 12, 2015 06:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
CREATING A CORRESPONDING ASTROLOGICAL METHOD

| TROPICAL | Here we can easily witness our present, observed eigenstate. These are the potential influences around us that we know and readily understand.

| SIDEREAL | In this system, there is a definite sense of 'the past' however we imagine it to be. These are influences which 'came before' in relative terms to where we are now (via the tropical).

| DRACONIC | We're perceiving future influences, and the direction in which our soul seeks to be travelling. In terms of the tropical, it's where we're ultimately going, or would like to.

WHY DEGREES?

Now, what's all of this about degrees?

Those with the deepest soul connexions, who have multidimensional relationships across 'time', through multiple eigenstates and experiences of existence -- they will have one identifying feature above all:

Repetitive degrees -- and which degrees repeat will be of profound significance, so get those Sabians ready.

We will go into greater depth as to WHY these repeating degrees denote multidimensionality. For now, however, simply know that it's the most reliable feature I've found -- regardless of the quality or nature of the connexion -- when seeking for evidence of multidimensionality in astrology.

Anyone suspecting a twin flame relationship should especially begin here. I will admit to genuine surprise if you aren't flabbergasted by what you find across these three systems alone.

Orb suggestion: as usual, keep it as tight as possible. I prefer exact degrees; in the case of stellia, variance of 2º to 3º at most is allowable. Otherwise, keep it within 1º00.

THE METHOD

1 | Begin with the tropical; it's our observed eigenstate, for lack of better, and our perceived 'base camp' relative to time. As you become familiar with the practise, you may want to change your perspective (literally), working from the sidereal to the tropical, or the draconic to the sidereal, et cetera -- but for now, it's best to keep it simple.

2 | Note all degrees of conjunction within 3°. Jot them down. These will (hopefully) build the trail you'll follow across the systems used.

3 | Contemplate and meditate upon the degrees you've found. This is the most subjective, but also among the more crucial steps.

+ in what signs are they placed?
+ in which system -- sidereal? Tropical? Draco?
+ what are the points and planets in those degrees?
+ what are the aspects being made?

All of the above will synthesise to form a more complete, 'multidimensional history' over time.

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What of a composite Sun that hits B's Vesta and A's sidereal Ascendant? And at 12 Cancer, happens to be Sirian, if you like?

A's draconic Venus and drac comp. Saturn of the two are conjunct at 10.46-49 Capricorn, showing as 11 on the charts, but basically a bit wide for the degree hit when actually checked. B's sidereal Chiron is 11 R Capricorn, between the degrees.

13º Cancer: One hand slightly flexed with a very prominent thumb.
Strong, active and self-certain will, or persistent yet blind plunging ahead into reality. Freedom from soft illusions.

11º Capricorn: Pheasants display their brilliant colors on a private estate.
Latent richness of natural resources brought out through selective processes. Capitalization upon opportunity. Luxury.

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Although more strongly I suppose there would be A's Sun and draconic Jupiter on the composite IC, conjunct B's draconic Sun and the sidereal composite Saturn?

29º Leo: A mermaid emerges from the ocean ready for rebirth in human form.
Pure longing for a new order of selfhood. Critical point in "emergent evolution." Perspective; or a sense of incompetence.

The people further have Sun conj draconic Sun and Moon conjunct sidereal Moon 2 degrees opposite the Suns, echoing each other from one level to another?

1º Pisces: A crowded public market place.
The social nature of human responsibilities. A last-moment, joyous rallying to a task. Seed synthesis at end of cycles.

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What about:

6 Leo
A's Asc conj drac MC opp sidereal Moon
conj drac comp. Amor

sidereal comp IC 4 Leo, A's sidereal Sun 3.55 Leo

B's chart:
Chiron 5.30 R Aqu, Pholus 6 Aqu
drac Psyche late 3 deg Leo, drac Union+Isis late 3+5 Aqu R

7º Leo: The constellations of stars in the sky.
Sense of primordial wonder and awe before life. Unquenchable faith in a spiritual being complementing our own. Realization.

7º Aquarius: A child born out of an eggshell.
New actuation of effort by the power of unrealized purposes. Self-expression beyond all expectation. Spiritual protection.

4º Leo: A man formally dressed stands near trophies he brought back from a hunting expedition.
Self-development through the culture of masculine activities. Subservience of individual to social pattern of behavior. Taste.

5º Leo: Rock formations tower over a deep canyon.
Permanence of basic elements in nature underneath temporary changes and emphases. Endurance. Steadiness of self-knowledge

6º Aquarius: A masked figure performs ritualistic acts in a mystery play.
Compelling urge in every soul to express the unknown and the more-than-physical. Sensitiveness to high purpose. Conflict.

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Or:
comp Eros 12.29 Aqu, Isis 12.36 Leo
B's drac Asc 11.33 Leo, dJuno 10.17 R Aqu, sidereal Karma 13.46 Leo
A's drac Pluto 11.28 Aqu, sidereal Venus 12.33 R Leo

Perhaps echoing in:

posted August 12, 2015 07:53 AM            

Maybe it was waiting for the incorporation of the Uranians.

posted August 13, 2015 07:07 AM            

s UNION 5°36 Libra

n MC 5°02 Libra
n hAPOLLON 5°41 Libra

Dr KARMA 5°51 Libra

Sabian:
6° IN A TRANCE, A PILGRIM BEHOLDS HIS IDEALS MADE CONCRETE.

posted August 13, 2015 08:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
ah yes, i still have to undertake this labour

Maybe it was waiting for the incorporation of the Uranians.

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posted August 13, 2015 08:27 PM            

Yowza! Multidimensional links to be sure, regardless of whether or not certain Carrollian points are strong, or others relating to the concept (i.e., TARDIS).

I'm curious about incorporating the composite as well, yes. Whether purely looking composite-to-composite or natal-to-composite. Perhaps this might prove wonderfully illuminating in terms or 'origin' for certain composite placements or configurations.

posted August 13, 2015 09:09 PM            

The biggest link immediately visible from the tropical composite is:

23° ARIES | cDSC
23° ARIES | MOON (his)
23° ARIES | sCHIRON (mine)
23° ARIES | sHADES/sTISIPHONE (his)
23° ARIES | dASC (mine)
23° ARIES | dVENUS/dMADHATTER (mine)

... Okay. Folks, that is a lot to pack into a single tropical composite Descendant! Not to mention, there's a fairly equal 'contribution' -- points at which we're being affected:

He's directly emotionally impacted in the present by the aspects and affairs of our relationship, at the most basic level, with the DSC of the tropical composite's involvement.

But there is plenty else going on ...

My sidereal CHIRON is linked to his tropical MOON, which echoes in our composite DSC. So the wound incurred in my closest proximal lifeline has been carried, woven into his emotional profile and the base of his personality. This is deep -- quite possibly as deep as it can get in certain respects. He carries my past wound in the composition of his emotional being; this is expressed in the present through our commitment to each other, and what we do in partnership.

But it doesn't end there.

The Hadean-Tisiphonic signature continues, conjunct my CHIRON, of course, in both tropical and sidereal. What brought him to act as an agent of vengeance, to destroy that which he deemed unnatural or merely against his own principles, indeed, resonates with my deep wound -- in more than a single lifeline, though expressed differently.

My soul's future development of the principles of VENUS with MADHATTER are then imbued with the (now distant) memories of HADES/TISIPHONE=CHIRON. VENUS/MADHATTER is, itself, an interesting energy: it definitely takes Venusian pursuits for a Carrollian spin; the mundane feminine, and that which governs love, pleasure, and aesthetics now carries the energy of unconventionality, timelessness, a wisdom not immediately apparent, and the willingness to accept greater eccentricity and a multidimensional perspective.

Huh. Well, that's rather on-the-mark!

In closing the loop, we can find it conjunct my dASC. These will all be a 'part of me', moving forward; all of it will become echoes of my personality and being. No doubt, I'll be somewhat changed by it all, adopting the Arien approach, preparing for a new beginning, or the next cycle to unfold.

It's interesting, and a bit curious how it's only my Draconic which ties into the pattern, in the end. Either karma will be cleared, or we will no longer be truly separate. Our Draconic composite does promise a 'new beginning' of its own, with the New Moon.

That sort of pattern carries a lot of pain, and his MOON is shouldering the burden here in the present. I find it some relief that it all fades to a distant echo into my dASC, with his tropical MOON there. Everything having come full circle, cleansed and cleared, with nothing but his dJUNO (0°) squaring the pattern, as a vague reminder of what's now 'ancient history'. As it's rising on the Draconic composite, there's a definite sense of unity and freedom from this complicated 'past'. In the sign of Cancer, embodying familial bonds and empathetic nurturing.

He shouldn't have to carry the karmic burden beyond the here and now. We should both be free of it as we move into the 'future' to begin a new cycle, together.

posted August 14, 2015 12:55 AM            

Let's see..using Fagan-Bradley sidereal and my rectified birth time...gosh almost too many hits to other charts to keep track of!

My sidereal NN: 25 Libra
My name in my tropical chart: 25 Libra
My IC: 26 Libra
My draconic Mars: 26 Libra
Our composite sun: 26 Libra
Sidereal composite Mercury: 24 Libra
Sidereal composite Neptune: 27 Libra

His moon: 5 Libra
His sidereal Neptune: 5 Libra
His draconic Juno: 6 Libra
Our composite Saturn-IC: 4 Libra

My sidereal sun: 21 Sag
His draconic sun: 22 Sag

Maybe I'm missing some things.

posted August 14, 2015 03:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Yowza! Multidimensional links to be sure, regardless of whether or not certain Carrollian points are strong, or others relating to the concept (i.e., TARDIS).

I'm curious about incorporating the composite as well, yes. Whether purely looking composite-to-composite or natal-to-composite. Perhaps this might prove wonderfully illuminating in terms or 'origin' for certain composite placements or configurations.

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A's draconic Sun 2.11 Cap conjunct B's 2.55 R Cap draconic TARDIS. The other way around it's a 3.31 degree distance from A's TARDIS to B's Sun, not entirely conjunct for now. Haven't checked parallels though. A's drac TARDIS trine B's Sun, but those aren't the spot-hits for this.

Okay, A has TARDIS antiscia Ascendant and parallel Sun & Pluto. B's TARDIS parallel their ASC. A's TARDIS contraparallel B's Chiron, so no A!Sun-B!TARDIS.

I'm an Alice-Ascendant, as said. I also have Marchare conj drac ASC and Whiterabbit conj East Point. TARDIS is antiscia Alice-ASC. Turns out B's an Alice-Asc if taking his sidereal Alice at 9.14 Tau conj the 8.20 Tau regular ASC as it. *shrug* The way things go, one way or another. Been there, done that, one way or another.

Not sure I'm surprised that the composite has Alice conjunct Tweedledee at 4.59 +3.50 Cancer when A-Whiterabbit is 3.49 Cancer and B's sidereal Madhatter is 3.10 Cancer. (A's East Point at 2 Can, drac Moon 4 Can. B's Whiterabbit is 23.11 Capricorn conj 24's MC so square MC in one chart while conjunct there). Composite Marchare conj Whiteknight at 16 Virgo conj 15.56 Pluto.

Basically B's sidereal chart has Marchare conj tr. Sun, Alice conj tASC and Madhatter 3.10 Cancer in touch with composite Alice, etc.

posted August 14, 2015 03:45 AM            

dMADHATTER conjunct dSATURN (0°)

In this case, it's also conjunct the TISIPHONE/HADES=CHIRON (2°) in tropical. I've always found that interesting; it's my dSATURN to his dMADHATTER.

And, for the sidereal link: my MC (0°) with his DSC (2°). That's very, very interesting. 2° is an extremely wide orb for this, but it 'completes' the angular relationship in the sidereal synastry.

posted August 14, 2015 04:19 AM            

Just poking at the chart comparisons at this end, too tired to think much so noting things down for later when hit or seen. There were other contacts with "Carrollian" asteroids but didn't go into the 22-24 Gemini region stuff for what was on the composite Ascendant, nor the Tweedle-squares or draconic opposition and whatever.

B's Tisiphone is 20.52 Taurus so near A!TARDIS at 22.14, too, but left out as said. Was more interested in it hitting B's own (19.24 Tau?) Nessus as well, as I recall, but no time to look at such for now. A's Hades-Algol-SN = B's Sun, square A's 26.44 Leo Tisiphone. B's Hades ~3 Taurus as I recall, antiscia A's Tisiphone-Karma. Stuff.