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Aries23Degrees
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posted September 01, 2016 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know that I have been posting topics of late.Its a culmination of things really. But it will subside,I assure you all.

The unusual nature of this post is due to me meeting someone who has an aspect in their chart that I didn't do very well with in the last relationships I was in.

They were not really relationships in the strict sense of the word. As much as they were friendships.

Both broke our connection off very suddenly (and without warning). And left me reeling for months thereafter i,e "what went wrong?", "what did I say?", "Did I hurt them?" etc.

When I was healing from all that, one of them appeared and then the other.Both asking for forgiveness which I was open to.But decided to keep both of them at a distance.

Lately I met someone with whom I had an immediate buzz with.We hit it off big time and there was a lot of chemistry between us

Only problem is,I feel like I have been here before and wonder if I am judging someone unfairly due to the terrible experiences I have had in my past.

This person also has the dreaded aspect, this time in opposition. And the aspect in question is Venus-Uranus hard aspect.

The two initial friends had Venus-Uranus square and conjunct respectively. And this one has the opposition.

Its too early to tell the symptoms. But when I looked at the new person's chart, a feeling of despair overtook me.

I wonder if this knowledge of the aspect is actually a blessing in disguize; so as to prevent any hurt?

But I also think that it can put people in a sort of "box" where because of the aspect, i expect the worst. And perhaps therefore end up getting it?

Would you guys soldier on with an individual that has a similar/type of aspects that proved painful the last you interacted with it?

In my case, Venus/Uranus interacting by hard aspect is really not on

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posted September 01, 2016 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would never single out an aspect based on previous experiences, because what are the chances of me meeting someone else with that exact same chart? Also, I don't have enough evidence to suggest any astrological correlation between my exes even though they all treated me similarly. None of my exes gave me their astrology information and the ones whose birthdays I could find are probably just roughly estimated at best. Without being able to get their birth times and birth locations it's hard to tell what aspects have shown up in my personal history. Most of my exes don't even remember me or at least I would guess since I barely remember most of them.

I did remove an ex after a long time of him not initiating conversation with me. He added me back a year later so I attempted to talk to him then, but he hasn't really been very talkative. So, I've just let him sit in my contact list without any interaction with him since.

After being called "clingy" by someone in the past I made an effort to not be so needy in the future. At first I thought that perhaps there was something wrong with my behavior since my exes all responded in the same way. Strangely, I'm starting to see evidence that maybe I just picked a handful of bad men.

The only time I actually used an aspect against someone was when he started showing evidence of potentially being capable of acting out one of the aspects in our synastry. The person in question is my brother and because of his bad temper I am going to hold everything I can against him if there's enough astrology suggesting that my feelings are legitimate.

It's not like I'm doing it randomly and out-of-the-blue. I noticed the synastry before and went "Eh, whatever." This is even after researching what I could of the aspect.

Overall though I just consider the rest of the chart and my experience with that person before I form an opinion on whether a natal aspect is definitely going to be a problem.

However, there would definitely be a wait-and-see period just to be sure I don't make the same mistakes as before when I last dealt with those aspects.

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posted September 01, 2016 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Would you guys soldier on with an individual that has a similar/type of aspects that proved painful the last you interacted with it?"

In the past, no, but then my thinking matured. People who are the same sun sign (for example) will all have threads of behavior in common, but their differences come with how their Sun is actually aspected, and moreso based on houses and signs. Finally, there's that pesky thing called free will.

I knew a guy with Venus / Uranus and we kept in touch for a little while even after our connection had faded, but do understand your hesitancy. Perhaps you are hurt by Venus / Uranus people's seeming instability because of aspects and schemas that color your own perception.

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posted September 02, 2016 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks guys. I know that one aspect does not make up a person. But i think i jumped right on it because i had interacted with 2 people who had very close orbs with it before.

I mean it is kinda silly to think in such a lateral way .
Yes, there is a thing called free will. But i do remember how each of those friendships started: pure chemistry, electric, exciting and sizzling. Then suddenly......lights out!

What bugged me was how easy it was for both of them to just walk away without looking back. That was really not nice.

Well this one has Sun/Mars square my Pluto, Sun/Mars conjunct my Ic. Moon square my natal Sun.Mercury trine my Asc,Sun,Neptune and Jupiter .

And natally they have Moon/Neptune square and i find that the people i have met with this aspect, are quite nice

Ooh but that Venus/Uranus opposition in mutable Gemini/Sag though

Oddly, I have Jupiter and Mars reacting with both. Jupiter opposes their Venus, their Jupiter squares my Venus.

Whilst my Mars trines their Venus(which i believe is why they are so damn awesome right off the bat) and their Mars trines my Venus(by sign) or rather more aptly squares my Dsc angle and Juno very tightly.

My Saturn squares their Jupiter. And their Saturn conjuncts my Venus . Both Venus and Jupiter are benefics in synastry ime and their interaction here could prove interesting.

I will proceed with caution. Don't want to throw the baby out with the water. But if i see anything that reminds me of that sinking feeling, i am running(literally).

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posted September 02, 2016 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
[B]"Would you guys soldier on with an individual that has a similar/type of aspects that proved painful the last you interacted with it?"

The reason you attract venus/uranus people is probably because your own sun or mars make an aspect to uranus.

Relationships are our own reflections and mirrors through which we look at ourselves and see our own strengths and weaknesses.

Uranus aspects ask us to be more detached, and it is for the growth of our own soul.

If you get "hurt" by the way things suddenly end, maybe this is part of your journey to focus more on trying to be less emotionally dependent on others, and stop needing others to need you.

If you work on achieving a balance with your own uranus aspects, and start liking and respecting that detached part of yourself, you will in return be rewarded by attracting companions who have achieved a balance within their own uranus/venus or moon aspects.
This way you can both form an interesting relationship which can even be charitable and beneficial to others too, besides the two people in it. You can shape a relationship which is fed by so much originality and creativity and one where neither of you gets bored.

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posted September 02, 2016 02:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
The reason you attract venus/uranus people is probably because your own sun or mars make an aspect to uranus.

Relationships are our own reflections and mirrors through which we look at ourselves and see our own strengths and weaknesses.

Uranus aspects ask us to be more detached, and it is for the growth of our own soul.

If you get "hurt" by the way things suddenly end, maybe this is part of your journey to focus more on trying to be less emotionally dependent on others, and stop needing others to need you.

If you work on achieving a balance with your own uranus aspects, and start liking and respecting that detached part of yourself, you will in return be rewarded by attracting companions who have achieved a balance within their own uranus/venus or moon aspects.
This way you can both form an interesting relationship which can even be charitable and beneficial to others too, besides the two people in it. You can shape a relationship which is fed by so much originality and creativity and one where neither of you gets bored.


Interesting point. And i have also considered that.

The closest friend i have has Uranus in aspect to Moon/Merc/Mars in conjunct and Aquarius Sun. So i really cant be aroud all of that and still not like it.

If relationships are truly a reflection of whom we are, then the attraction to Uranus types cannot be that unusual if i see myself as Uranian.

The issue however is that i dont have Uranus on the angle nor making any serious aspects to my natal planets.Because even by declination, it has no alarming aspects.

So this Uranian attraction of mine is really akward. Given that Moon is in "clingy" Cancer and all. And i have virtually no planets in Aquarius.

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posted September 02, 2016 03:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

The issue however is that i dont have Uranus on the angle nor making any serious aspects to my natal planets.Because even by declination, it has no alarming aspects.

personally I believe no aspect is "minor". all aspects matter.
If you're not aquaius ascendant, check to see whether if your sun/mars is in the aquarius duad, or check you 9th and 11th harmonic to see if uranus makes any aspect to sun/mars.

Uranus (aquarius) and your cancer moon are naturally quincunx so they are asking for something to be immediately fixed. Especially if you keep attracting the same pattern.

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posted September 02, 2016 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
httP://aliceportman.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Duad-Table1.pdf

here's the link again to find out duad signs of your sun and mars.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted September 02, 2016 03:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yes, that chart i did do once;

And yes, i did find Moon in Aquarius duad. Is it really that powerful? Because Venus/Mars is in slow moving and steadiness seeking Taurus.

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posted September 02, 2016 03:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Oh yes, that chart i did do once;

And yes, i did find Moon in Aquarius duad. Is it really that powerful? Because Venus/Mars is in slow moving and steadiness seeking Taurus.


in my experience duads are very powerful. they are usually the answer to the attractions that seem to have no other explanation.

Check duads for your sun and mars too.

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posted September 02, 2016 04:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh ok, i see.

In mine Sun,Neptune, Pluto are conjunct in Scorpio and oppose Mars in Taurus.

Jupiter in Virgo is in the 7th house of my duad Asc in Pisces.

I think perhaps the Moon in Aquarius is enough to explain a probable attraction to those Uranian types. As duad Uranus makes no real aspects to any of my personal duad placements.

Suffice it to say that what you said there in relation to the attractions one feels to being a reflection of the self etc. I like that. And i think that that could be valid.

It all begins right here with me.

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posted September 02, 2016 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At most I might watch for similarities and be a little bit cautious. Not in a way that they might notice, just in my heart.

I never would let aspects/placements rule out someone though.

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posted September 02, 2016 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenaia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll absolutely be leery. If I have a long history of getting into conflicts with a certain moon sign and I see someone new I've met has that moon sign, I'll hesitate.

More than anything I'll reflect on my past experiences and think, "okay this method and this method didn't work with those people, maybe I won't implement them this time around and see if we can avoid all that conflict..." stuff like that.

It's okay to know what energy does and doesn't work for you. If you have *multiple* bad experiences with an energy in a particular planet, I don't see how one can blindly ignore that. I'll handle that person a little more delicately until I know that I won't fall into the same behavior patterns with this person like I did with others in the past. That's the beauty of astrology.

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posted September 02, 2016 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if i know there is an aspect or planet that i can't work with, i don't go any further, be it friends or otherwise. why bother? isn't that the whole point of having a belief in astrology?? the belief that this works and therefore, that aspect will play out similarly again. i know the aspect i cannot handle in someone, and have given it enough 'tests' to know that when i encounter it in someone, i just walk off. no two people will be the same, of course not, but that aspect will somehow surface.

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posted September 02, 2016 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Imma be honest here. If I see any of:

Gemini Moon
Cancer Moon
Pisces Moon
Libra Moon

I'll think twice.

Isn't odd that I only seem to have issues with Moon signs and nothing else??

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posted September 02, 2016 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't hold aspects against people because I'm typically too busy analyzing them to the core to make assumptioms and/or comparisons based off of aspects, and even if I do I would probably not be thinking about the aspect anyway in midst of frustration. There's a few here and there if I were to be entirely honest, but what they are doing in my chart explains why I would dislike those aspects personally (synastry).

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posted September 02, 2016 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by starmoon:
if i know there is an aspect or planet that i can't work with, i don't go any further, be it friends or otherwise. why bother? isn't that the whole point of having a belief in astrology?? the belief that this works and therefore, that aspect will play out similarly again. i know the aspect i cannot handle in someone, and have given it enough 'tests' to know that when i encounter it in someone, i just walk off. no two people will be the same, of course not, but that aspect will somehow surface.

I'm not attacking this (or not trying to anyway) but what about facing the aspect anyway and choosing to grow through it until you CAN handle it?

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posted September 02, 2016 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do composite and Synastry .., I don't hold anything against anyone, but by looking at charts I know early on how I should be careful with someone and not push their buttons (or how to push them). I met too many ppl to hold anything against anyone but Synastry charts are very telling about whether I'm gonna get on well with someone or not. Getting along is not that hard... I can be civil.

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posted September 02, 2016 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I'm not attacking this (or not trying to anyway) but what about facing the aspect anyway and choosing to grow through it until you CAN handle it?

i did say, in the original post that i had 'tested' it several times. how many times do you put yourself through something before you need to learn a lesson?? for me, 7 is sufficient, and it is :-) bye bye to that aspect and any future people who have it

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posted September 02, 2016 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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i did say, in the original post that i had 'tested' it several times. how many times do you put yourself through something before you need to learn a lesson?? for me, 7 is sufficient, and it is :-) bye bye to that aspect and any future people who have it

I get being fearful, it was just something I threw out there.. I have to work to overcome my bias of Leos. My Aries / Gemini has an insatiable curiosity, even if it is bad for me time and time again.

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posted September 02, 2016 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by starmoon:
i did say, in the original post that i had 'tested' it several times. how many times do you put yourself through something before you need to learn a lesson?? for me, 7 is sufficient, and it is :-) bye bye to that aspect and any future people who have it

7 is not a big number and you change as a person too.., to assume you don't like a placement is one thing but how you interact with it reflects who you are. Just because you don't interact with something well doesn't mean it's bad....

And how a placement fits in a chart is different. A libra with a Capricorn moon will face the inner tension that a sag with a calricorn moon will not.

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posted September 02, 2016 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by theunknown:
7 is not a big number and you change as a person too.., to assume you don't like a placement is one thing but how you interact with it reflects who you are. Just because you don't interact with something well doesn't mean it's bad....

And how a placement fits in a chart is different. A libra with a Capricorn moon will face the inner tension that a sag with a calricorn moon will not.


so, if all 7 of those men with that placement hit me i should keep seeking out that placement and work through it because 7 isn't a big enough number? yes, maybe i need to encounter physical abuse a few more times to learn to deal with that aspect? makes perfect sense... i see it now! :-)

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posted September 02, 2016 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Forget this post. I was being rude and insenstive.

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posted September 02, 2016 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenaia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

This response is wildly out of line. She doesn't have to disclose abuse as a rationale as to why she doesn't like certain placements, and she was calm in her previous responses when someone questioned her reasoning. She was probably triggered by what she felt was interrogation at a certain point and responded emotionally as a result. This is basic empathy 101.

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posted September 02, 2016 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenaia:
This response is wildly out of line. She doesn't have to disclose abuse as a rationale as to why she doesn't like certain placements, and she was calm in her previous responses when someone questioned her reasoning. She was probably triggered by what she felt was interrogation at a certain point and responded emotionally as a result. This is basic empathy 101.

You're right. I realize that I did react strongly and so I'm sorry to starmoon for that. I'm not myself right now and my mental health is very bad, and I realize that's not an excuse for reacting to someone on a sensitive matter such as this. I was being single-minded and responded wrongly. I'm sorry. Out of all people, I should know how easily it is to be emotionally triggered and react strongly because of such, but I was being stupid and impulsive. Please don't take what I said personal for it's a lack of judgement on my part.

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