posted September 12, 2016 05:42 AM            

In my opinion, every sign has it's weak spots, especially when unevolved.

I never was the "Happy-Go-Lucky" Type, because of my Capricorn ASC and the 8th House of my Sun.
That was my starting point as a child.

People viewed me carrying a kind of sadness, I was shy and spent so much time alone.
Still the Sag/Gemini Placements made me very interested in knowledge, I taught myself to read when I was four and wanted to know everything about everything.
So I spent most of the time reading by myself.
And dreaming about a better future.
When I was a child, Neptune helped me to get lost in dream worlds, which was helping me to survive a very tough situation with my abusive family.

When I became an adult, Neptune became complicated.
I didn't just fell in love - I created a whole film around a boy that was a moving story, but didn't have to do a lot with the boy himself.
We came together, of course he disappointed me, because he couldn't live up to the role I fantasized for him.
We separated and I got really sick, feeling like a Heroin addict.
This whole thing lasted 8 years, i never could give that dream up. Everybody was telling me that I was betraying myself - but I kept hunting him, idealizing him, it went on and off with us.
I had a child, and I lost it.
After a while, the magic got lost when we lived together in a small flat. I realized that I didn't love him anymore.

One interesing thing about the Neptune Illusions: Yes, it was one big story that I created.
And I always wondered what made me fall so hard, if nothing was there really.
But it turned out later that the boy had a very similar kind of childhood trauma I had.
I probably loved him so much, because he was the first person I could see my own pain in.

Jupiter and Neptune gave me some issues with the higher powers too, of course.
As a child I had moments of religious epiphanies...like in Lars von Triers "Breaking the Waves". I was talking to God and felt that he assigned me an important mission.
All this became more problematic when the situation at home got worse. I started to become fanatical and joined a cult.
A teacher fortunately got me out of it.
For a long time I believed that God would save me out of all my problems.
It was a huge step, when I realized that I have to work through things by myself and the higher power is not a person (like the father I missed so much) but the connectivity of all things.

At this time my Virgo Sun did me good, because I learned to be responsible for myself.
Neptune-Jupiter can have great issues with giving away the personal responsibility....oh yes.

My Gemini Moon was the last thing I could integrate.
It helped me to have a Gemini Sun friend.
Suddenly I learned that the serious sad Cappi Kid, could actually be funny and love life.
I realized that I need talking to people, it balances me.
And all this metaphysical energy needs reflection in words.

I know what you mean when you talk about rationalization.
I broke up with my Gemini friend after a while because of this.
She just couldn't really feel things, her affects were blocked.
But this is unevolved Gemini energy.

Maybe my Neptune-Jupiter energy helped me to connect both: Deepest feelings and verbal expression.
I still have trouble in love relationships....I stay although I should go, I defend people even if they seriously damage me.

There is a very interesting book called "Willful blindness" by Margaret Heffernan.
I bought it, because I know my issues with it.
Still it's hard to accept boundaries...in the emotional department. If you have experienced unity in love....you don't want to let it go.
But there Neptune is unevolved and I know I have to learn.
When it denies death and the individuality of living beings, this regressive tendencies of Neptune are dangerous.

posted September 12, 2016 05:46 AM            

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Originally posted by florence:
As sag moon, moon conj Neptune...

I feel like that in these situations. Admittedly, I'm not realistic (although funnily I've generally more responsibilities than most) but I find the negativity, more in the manner it's delivered, very hard to bear. I do bear it because it surprises me and I don't know how to respond to someone impinging on my boundaries. Maybe that's another reason it occurs with Pisces because there's a sense Pisces are shared property.

The thing that upsets me however, is that whilst I'd take to heart criticism I began to notice that the same people were curiously silent and refused to comment when I'd definitely done something well. It actually hurt because I realised they didn't care about improving me at all. Funnily these have been mostly sag women.

Didn't mean to direct this whole comment to you. It's just heartening to see others see it too.

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Boundaries? Is it the way they say it that violates your boundaries?

posted September 12, 2016 06:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Boundaries? Is it the way they say it that violates your boundaries?

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There is a way people say things that does cross my boundaries - accusatory, critical, negative - but I mainly meant there the boundaries of it concerning my life, my choices etc.

posted September 12, 2016 06:31 AM            

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Originally posted by florence:
There is a way people say things that does cross my boundaries - accusatory, critical, negative - but I mainly meant there the boundaries of it concerning my life, my choices etc.

I don't understand why people are confrontational rather than encouraging but I can accept we have different styles. I've adjusted to that but ever since I've seen, in my case, there was no positivity when I was doing well either - indeed, it was almost resentful, I'm pretty sure it's often not really about me.

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I grew up in a family that stuffed every problem under the rug until it blew up. They denied problems that were there so that they could play victim, and denied 'negative' things because it didn't fit a narrative in their delusions, or whatever.

I was used as their scapegoat for their anger, denial, and repressed unconscious problems. Everything was blamed on me, because I was in a weak position.

posted September 12, 2016 07:49 AM            

I'll listen and take to heart criticisms, that's the reason it's upsetting. I'm not an emotionally detached person. In fact, I don't like that either.

I don't like criticisms that aren't intended to improve but are intended to make me feel bad and just the fact that there's never any positivity to counterbalance has made me feel that's the intention, in my situation. Before that, I had wondered if it was something like you explained in your scenario. What you described I can understand your process

I suppose we can all teach each other things from our different perspectives.

posted September 12, 2016 08:21 AM            

It's possible some people are just envious or jealous of a quality you have. I find that some people who are envious/jealous of others withhold compliments sometimes.

posted September 12, 2016 09:01 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Pisceans must love people (strangers) a lot to continue to be around them even when they're flawed and glom onto them. As a Taurus moon or as myself, whatever, I can't do that.

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posted September 12, 2016 09:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Maybe you'll change over time (Pisces NN).

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posted September 12, 2016 09:22 AM            

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Originally posted by florence:
As sag moon, moon conj Neptune...

I feel like that in these situations. Admittedly, I'm not realistic (although funnily I've generally more responsibilities than most) but I find the negativity, more in the manner it's delivered, very hard to bear. I do bear it because it surprises me and I don't know how to respond to someone impinging on my boundaries. Maybe that's another reason it occurs with Pisces because there's a sense Pisces are shared property.

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LOL @ "shared property."

I know what you mean about the rest of it.

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Originally posted by florence:
The thing that upsets me however, is that whilst I'd take to heart criticism I began to notice that the same people were curiously silent and refused to comment when I'd definitely done something well. It actually hurt because I realised they didn't care about improving me at all. Funnily these have been mostly sag women.

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posted September 12, 2016 09:28 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I don't see anything that needs changing. I help people, but am more selective about it. I have a lot of respect for Pisces for the reason their "help well" seems endless.

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Didn't say you NEED changing, just noting the possibility of change.

I don't actually intend to help people, when I'm listening. Just seems to be the case where something about me inspires people to reveal deeper stuff. And it usually doesn't take more time or more energy to listen to that than to have a conversation about politics.

My moon is in the 8th, trine my Scorpio NN, so that could be even more of a factor than the Pisces.

Anyway, not saying anyone should do anything.

posted September 12, 2016 11:41 AM            

1. My parents did drugs for yeeeeeeears. Everyone knew but me. We foreclosed on our expensive house when I was 12. Both parents lost their jobs. They were up late partying every night but it finally took my uncle screaming the truth at me to recognize their situation for what it was, and even then I didn't want to believe it.

posted September 12, 2016 01:03 PM            

Thank you everyone for your replies, I enjoyed reading them, they are all so helpful.

I thought about this topic because the other week when I was talking to a sag friend, we mentioned astrology and from his year and knowing him I guesstimated A Pluto conjunction and Scorpio placements. When I started to tell him how Pluto can alter some of the lighter, more free qualities of sag he got very uncomfortable and cut me off, just saying "jeeze ok" and I got the hint and didn't explain further. This lead me to think about my grandmother, who is also a sag, and lately everytime my dad goes over to visit (he's heavy Virgo, prominent Saturn) hell talk non stop about conspericy theories, aliens and niburo, which is very stressful to my grandmother and she made a rule now that only "positive" conversations can be discussed as to not disrupt the overall flow of the day which ****** my dad off because he doesn't see it as "negative" but as "truth" and it's upsetting to him that my grandparents would rather live "a happy yet oblivious"life than to be accepting of his idea of the "truth" and to feel possibly uncomfortable from it. he has strong Virgo, also a Pluto conjunction to the ASC, with Mars also placed 1st, he has a really hard time accepting that some people would rather just not here some of the harsh realities he likes to share, he sees it as "knowledge" and completely disassociates any feelings to his thoughts, which I guess borders on him not even realizing how cynical he can be.

posted September 12, 2016 01:15 PM            

I think Pisces/Neptune instinctively understands these spiritual precepts:

- Energy flows where attention goes
- You get more of what you focus on
- What you resist, persists

So it's not necessarily about blindness, just for the sake of hiding from truth. It's about staying focused on something healthier, to will that into existence.

My best friend, Pisces sun conjunct Mercury, has been preaching The Power of Positive Thinking forever. At first I thought she was just looney, but I've been in situations where I had no other option or strategy except to try and positive-think my way out of it, and through experience and seeing how well it works, I now believe in it.

She actually had to go in for a biopsy, I got worried, she said, "Stop! I'm positive-thinking it away!" and I'll be damned if she didn't go in for the biopsy and the doctors found no mass to even biopsy. It was gone.

So she was kinda like "F you, told you!!!" to all her naysayers.

posted September 12, 2016 03:40 PM            

I would say that when I am level-headed, I try to remain positive and keep a clear head, but I am not against the truth. I can handle the truth, but often it can be painful and so my Pisces Jupiter will try to escape until my 8th house Moon and Pluto takes over and I'm sent downward into a bottomless pit of depression and anxiety. I know that people with strong Sag placements are often super positive, even if it is negatively received ime. Not exactly sure about how they handle painful truths though.

posted September 12, 2016 06:23 PM            

Ah that's a great story, too!

Though I think these tales ought to come with a little warning...do not try this at home...and if you do, don't blame me if it doesn't work.

@SulkyArcher

I agree

I remember an interview with Sag stellium Damien Echols...

http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Damien_Echols

...where he was asked how much he worried about being executed when he was on death row, and he said that he wouldn't let himself think about it, as he felt that put him at a higher risk for it actually happening.

posted September 12, 2016 09:23 PM            

Heh, I remember first learning magick. I thought it was just boosting one's self-confidence and alertness at first (cast a spell for love and one starts looking for signs it's working, and taking more of a chance so that something might actually start, for example), but I found out it's more than that. Synchronicity was amazing enough (especially that day I found 3 dimes in 10 blocks after I altered a paranormal experiment), but it gets even weirder than that.

Maybe when I'm caught up on some bills and obligations I'll try something else for old time's sake.

posted September 13, 2016 12:02 AM            

thank you for that. Based on Wikipedia though, he still got executed.

posted September 13, 2016 12:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
@Faith,

thank you for that. Based on Wikipedia though, he still got executed.

I think, in the end, the Law of Karma has importance over the Law of Attraction!

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Good! I'm still waiting for some people to get theirs Lol

posted September 13, 2016 12:54 AM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
Good! I'm still waiting for some people to get theirs Lol

@faith i totally believe in the law of attraction

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posted September 13, 2016 08:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
@Faith,

thank you for that. Based on Wikipedia though, he still got executed.

I think, in the end, the Law of Karma has importance over the Law of Attraction!

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Nah, he's alive.

Here he is on The View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeNpD6LHwwM

Oh and here he is talking about his refusal to think about execution (with his wife):