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BeholdAstarte
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posted September 11, 2016 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you guys noticed people with strong influence of sag/Pisces Jupiter/Neptune have a hard time listening to the harsh truth and prefer to only want to hear the good, or prefer to just not hear anything negative at all?

I know multiple sag's who are like this and seem to really clash with virgos cold and logical way of expressing itself. The few sags that I know too will just end the conversation if it starts to steer ina direction that's too intense or heavy.

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posted September 11, 2016 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for headintheclouds91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haha very true, esp about sags/jupiter folks. But i have dealt with a few neptunians and yes they do have a hard time facing harsh realities esp when it comes to someone that isn`t good for them but who they have strong feelings for. They rather deal with it when they have no choice but to and will find all kinds of excuses not to end/get over whoever they are lost in. They will often hold onto something good that person did and said even if that was like six months ago and its been mostly bad ever since then. They will try their harderst to ignore someone their into negative sides and convince themselves there might be something good that comes out of it. But all those neptunians i think also had jupiter influence too so i am a little unsure where this attitude comes from

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posted September 11, 2016 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geez, I am heavily influenced by both.

I do admit that I don't like to hear negative stuff, but does anyone really like to?

I do get my feelings hurt easy

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posted September 11, 2016 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for headintheclouds91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Koniucha:
Geez, I am heavily influenced by both.

I do admit that I don't like to hear negative stuff, but does anyone really like to?

I do get my feelings hurt easy


Ofc no one likes to hear negative stuff but some can still talk and hear about it and just deal with it. But with some nep/jup folks it seems like they just can`t stand it and will try to sweep all negativity under the carpet. When they do first decide to"deal" with any negativity its just for a split second and then their back to sweeping it under the carpet again ime.

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posted September 11, 2016 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MilaBirkin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun in Pisces sextile Neptune square Jupiter in Sagittarius. Yes, yes, yes but I do not get hurt easily (and I have moon opposite neptune too).

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posted September 11, 2016 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 11, 2016 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 11, 2016 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope. If anything quite the opposite. I'm basing this on myself and my asto-twins (including the one that hated me). People keep telling me I'm too cynical (when most of the time I find out I'm wrong it's because I'm not cynical enough!), and my astro-twins saw an even darker world around them, and talked about, sometimes with contempt for those who saw a better world.

I can add Sags I've known...a good friend who had an even more intense gallows humor than me and loved the darker kinds of metal music, my Sag dad with his caustic (and sometimes cruel) humor who did not pretend life was mostly sunshine, and my current Sag partner who I have to cheer up from time to time due to her life experiences and study of human history.

See also Saggittarius: the Dark Side

What I see is a world filled with people who talk about being positive, never speak of the devil or he will appear, but also all too easily scared, believing the worst intent for no rational reason over and over again. Furthermore, I have to watch what I say, even in jest, because I scare or disturb people way too easily. They're the ones who only want to hear the good because anything else upsets them too much. Sag can generally handle it. So if they're steering the conversation to something less intense then maybe it's because they don't think you could handle it if they were to share all their thoughts.

That said, Sag isn't afraid of the bad side of life, but they usually have little tolerance for whining about it.

As for tolerating people that's not good for them...many do that out of a fear of being alone or how they'll be seen if not alone, I see that all the time (also, the brain messes up when they feel the love chemicals that blinds them to a lot about a certain person). If anything, Sag is the exception as they generally don't care so much about that. My Sag school friend kicked a girl trying to dominate him to the curb, my dad...well, granted, he made a mistake marrying my mom (though I think I know why and it wasn't insecurity or blindness to her character as much as it was being young & stupid and possessive), but he's definitely learned his lesson since then (perhaps too well, he's now a sugar daddy and says he will never marry again). My current Sag partner endured some things, though it wasn't because she was blind to the negative side. If anything, I'd think Sag is one of the fastest to drop someone not good for them.

Some think Sags are naive to be so positive, but it's not a belief that the world that's good, but a belief in ourselves (in my case I have a Sag stellium: moon, Mars, Uranus, Neptune, all sextile to my sun and stellium with Jupiter in between). As for myself, the past was harsh for me (especially when Pluto transited my Sag stellium) but I look on what I survived and that gives me confidence about similar things in the future.

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posted September 11, 2016 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And as for Pisces...they generally do avoid the negative, but it's more from a hyperwawareness of it, and they're inclined to soak it up (especially the Pisces moons). But as long as they don't drown in the pain around them (which then becomes them), and sometimes even then, they're also healers of the mind and heart. Maybe not good ones, but they try, because they can feel the pain of others as if their own (which is why some of them can get to staying away from people who hurt too much, if they can help it). I can see these being much more inclined to stay with people not good for them as well, perhaps out of pity for the other, or maybe because they're scared to face the big bad world alone. But even then the fishes can be slippery.

I've generally been able to talk with Pisces about the bad stuff...maybe because my emotions don't overwhelm them as I'm more casual about it than a lot of people. That is, it isn't the mental acknowledgement of it so much as the emotions people feel over it that drives them away (but aren't driven away from me). I do try to watch my moods around my Pisces moon BFF as I've noticed what I'm feeling will affect her more than anything I actually say or do.

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posted September 11, 2016 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't really even know what this topic is about.

If anything, the fact that Sag and Pisces can listen and remain positive afterwards shows that they are quite fine with listening to your harsh truths. You just didn't bring them down the way you would have liked, apparently?

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posted September 11, 2016 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
I don't really even know what this topic is about.

If anything, the fact that Sag and Pisces can listen and remain positive afterwards shows that they are quite fine with listening to your harsh truths. You just didn't bring them down the way you would have liked, apparently?


Let's at least nod that there's a difference between remaining positive, and being so "positive" that it morphs into obliviousness or being willfully ignorant. It's frustrating.

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posted September 11, 2016 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well don't be friends then!

Edit:

Did that sound "willfully ignorant"? Sorry. As a Pisces moon I am thinking of all the times people have seriously dragged on me and then complained I didn't do more, as if anyone else would have listened even longer and been even more sympathetic. I figure, after someone clobbered me with their vibes, they can return the favor with a little patience as I try to get the energy up again, with positive thinking. Right? I scratch your back, you scratch mine....

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posted September 11, 2016 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Faith,

that's an aggressive assertion.

There are people out there that are so in complete denial that they'll undermine any type of point of views, or points of views, that disagrees with them.

Anything that isn't sunshines, rainbows, or lollipops will be exterminated, or ignored.

These people can be frustrating to talk to, especially when you know what you're saying is true, or factual.

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posted September 11, 2016 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
@Faith,

that's an aggressive assertion.


a) Hanna knows to take me with a grain of salt
b) Where is the slap on the wrist for the others with their "aggressive assertions" against Sag and Pisces?

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posted September 11, 2016 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Faith,

fair argument.

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posted September 11, 2016 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Well don't be friends then!

Edit:

Did that sound "willfully ignorant"? Sorry. As a Pisces moon I am thinking of all the times people have seriously dragged on me and then complained I didn't do more, as if anyone else would have listened even longer and been even more sympathetic. I figure, after someone clobbered me with their vibes, they can return the favor with a little patience as I try to get the energy up again, with positive thinking. Right? I scratch your back, you scratch mine....


There's really good things about Pisces Moons and Sags too, but that wasn't the topic :P

Do you have any air in your chart Faith? I can't remember. I ask because my friend would probably also be as resentful (and does get so from time to time, only with very few people though) but with her Mercury, Venus in Gemini and Sun / Jupiter she has learned how to create boundaries for herself, and now we're working on the balance of that and I thought if you had air / earth like she does you have the ability to do the same. Those Gemini placements seem to have superseded her Pisces Moon intuition so now she thinks and rationalizes almost all of her feelings instead of feeling them. I sort of vented my frustrations out in my post because it's actually a recent issue, one I've kept to myself hence the frustration.

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posted September 11, 2016 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
@Faith,

fair argument.


Whew that was tense for a minute.

Can I smile yet, or is it too soon??

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posted September 11, 2016 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Whew that was tense for a minute.

Can I smile yet, or is it too soon??


I don't mind grains of salt.

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posted September 11, 2016 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Hanna,

Yes, I have Aqua Mercury, Gem Mars, Libra Pluto.

Interesting comment you made about your friend rationalizing instead of feeling. I'm tempted to derail over that, but I won't.

I was just groaning a bit because if there is *anything* I have to offer people, it's acceptance, and willingness to listen to their harsh truths until they can't even talk anymore...I'm one of those people strangers start crying to because I am just so open and willing to listen.

Then they apologize and feel weird because they are usually not like that.

Which makes me feel bad.

Lose/lose...it's the Pisces way!

kidding

Hope you can work out your problem with your friend...I am not saying any sign is perfect or above reproach.

Please don't quote this

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posted September 11, 2016 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Faith - so noted. I will say my Pisces moon friend is the most understanding and probably the only friend I've ever had who is willing to talk about and work through problems instead of being typically passive-aggressive like others are. Yes, yes, yes, I can definitely see how it's lose / lose for them.

As for strangers and you - maybe that's where your boundaries can come into play. "I'm so sorry you're feeling this way, I hope it gets better, bye!"

Pisceans must love people (strangers) a lot to continue to be around them even when they're flawed and glom onto them. As a Taurus moon or as myself, whatever, I can't do that. It's kind of like back to Aries23's thread about avoiding people with certain aspects, only instead of aspects it's warning signs this person is a "sharer".

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posted September 11, 2016 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I have Pisces rising. I've learned, as I got older, that not everyone is the helping, listening, kind.

It's because some people aren't built to be that way. I'm less judgmental of it now. But boy, did I used to get self righteous when someone felt uncomfortable helping someone they don't know.

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posted September 12, 2016 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Anything that isn't sunshines, rainbows, or lollipops will be exterminated, or ignored.

These people can be frustrating to talk to, especially when you know what you're saying is true, or factual.


Agree with this overall sentiment (though I'm not sure about what you said before, if it's connected to that or not).

What I don't agree with is that either Sag or Pisces or more prone to it, neither the astrology nor my own observations would say that they are (if anything, they're less prone to it than others). I can see Sag being wrongly viewed that way because they're not depressed over it (which could be seen as they're blind to it because people think if they're not depressed then they're in denial), and Pisces trying to limit their exposure to the pain of the world, but it's not (necessarily) because either is in denial over it.

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posted September 12, 2016 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Radium     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wo a post I can finally relate too

I certainty attest to this , I am so blindly positive it interferes with my way of thinking logically in a way where its easy for me to find the good stuff, the big picture, My closest friends and only friends have my interests at heart. No one else really, they all treat me like I'm delusional even my family.b ut it in order for that to be felt the topic has to be something I'm truly interested in, if I am I will not change my opinion for anybody, I will make it happen, I want to actually make a freakin impact rather than being another another slave.

Sun in Pisces square Jupiter
Jupiter in 2nd in Sag
Neptune in 3rd
Moon and Mercury sextile Jupiter

Uhh yeah I have always had an abundant perspective on my values and the world, I am currently a musician right now, nothing professional but passionate and willing, about to work on a demo soon if I can't start up my grunge band ive Done some acting, been on a couple TV shows,good youtube career in high school, have a couple of acting agents. If u want to call them that..I usually when I set my mind to something no matter how crazy I will do it because I know the worth of my ideas, I truly want to make this world a better place despite the way I may come off

I know god is with me and with him anything is possible

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posted September 12, 2016 03:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't noticed that with sags. One I've known for a few years (virgo moon). One I've known a few months (cancer moon).

One pisces that I was close to wasn't like that. Bad things affected her greatly, so she withdrew from time to time to recharge. She didn't run away from it. Same with my mother.

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posted September 12, 2016 05:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Well don't be friends then!

Edit:

Did that sound "willfully ignorant"? Sorry. As a Pisces moon I am thinking of all the times people have seriously dragged on me and then complained I didn't do more, as if anyone else would have listened even longer and been even more sympathetic. I figure, after someone clobbered me with their vibes, they can return the favor with a little patience as I try to get the energy up again, with positive thinking. Right? I scratch your back, you scratch mine....


As sag moon, moon conj Neptune...

I feel like that in these situations. Admittedly, I'm not realistic (although funnily I've generally more responsibilities than most) but I find the negativity, more in the manner it's delivered, very hard to bear. I do bear it because it surprises me and I don't know how to respond to someone impinging on my boundaries. Maybe that's another reason it occurs with Pisces because there's a sense Pisces are shared property.

The thing that upsets me however, is that whilst I'd take to heart criticism I began to notice that the same people were curiously silent and refused to comment when I'd definitely done something well. It actually hurt because I realised they didn't care about improving me at all. Funnily these have been mostly sag women.

Didn't mean to direct this whole comment to you. It's just heartening to see others see it too.

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