posted November 17, 2016 10:17 AM            

Well, in the latest case, it was a connection renewed that I'd otherwise known for a while but it was still ott to offer my password. It's not like I do indiscriminately but yeah, was still not the right thing and I realise that need to be transparent is extreme & to do with that.

posted November 17, 2016 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by florence:
You might not even have it then, honestly. If you read up on case studies very illogical connections like that are typical. It's one thing to have intensified thought patterns, especially as you say during the early stages. It's another to connect such wide dots.

Well, in the latest case, it was a connection renewed that I'd otherwise known for a while but it was still ott to offer my password. It's not like I do indiscriminately but yeah, was still not the right thing and I realize that need to be transparent is extreme & to do with that.

I've had a kind of therapy but not really to do with this. I think it's been enough to be able to describe it which I've not managed until now. So thank you

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Let my Pluto heal you!

posted November 17, 2016 01:30 PM            

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Pluto to me often signifies very deep-routed fears.And the house that it is in often shows the area of life where we feel our deepest vulnerabilities exposed.

There is to me a link between Chiron- Saturn- Pluto and Moon. As each of these can mark pain and misery from which triumph over/conscious evolving from, is necessary.

When Pluto is in the 7th, there is often deep-routed fears with regards to marriage /commitment, partnership and having an open relationship with others- is concerned.

The irony is that people with Pluto in 7th are often "hungry" for love. Their need to fill the cup that which has been starved, is usually more a ferocious yearning than most people know/realize.

But the self-sabotage comes from distrusting whatever love comes their way. Whether its friendships,partnerships or romance.

Perhaps there was betrayal, abandonment or traumatic disappointments early in life that sparked the need or made sure the cup was never full?

Many build a high wall which few can ever penetrate fully. Whilst others lower the wall to others -only to subject them to trials and tests in order for their "loyalty" to be weighed.

The sad part is that when the individual gets tired and eventually walks away from Pluto in 7th- once enough with the struggles and toils etc. The Pluto 7th will turn around and say "See. I knew that you would eventually walk away and leave me". And its always a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The accusation and suspicion is only a ploy to get someone to "leave" them . A way to get them to confirm the worst fears that they have had about partnerships and relationships. A fear that was probably whispered to them years earlier i.e "Anyone who gets close enough to you can hurt you. Or heal you"

Now many forget the latter part; being extra vigilant and sensitive to anything the partner does and on the constant "lookout" for any signs of looming betrayal and deception.

I have Pluto in 7th in Scorpio,Venus in Scorpio too.And I also have trust issues which I have little knowledge as to where they sprung from.

Where they came from is however irrelevant. The fact is that they are real.And learning to "let go" and let people in ,is something that I battle to do.

There is no need for you to try and "work out" these issues.As the rabbit hole is unending and it may consume your whole life to sort through all the rubble.

Pluto in 7th has learned to be vigilant of the unexpected and possible awry outcome,so much so that they often have the thinking "no one will pull a wool over my eyes".

The result often is that in that vigilance, even those that want to rendezvous with Pluto in 7th from an altogether "open" and sincere point of view, are missed...

So this defeats the whole purpose because in focusing so much on the danger of what can go wrong,we miss the bliss of what we really really want.

I would say don't try to change yourself. Only focus your attention on people who don't try to change you ,get you to do what they want you to do or dominate you in any way.

I find that when I am not "pressured" to be something other than what I am, I trust more easily and let go.

There was a Venus in Scorpio and Venus in Pisces with whom I experienced that with.

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posted November 17, 2016 09:14 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
You wrote this for my husband who has Pluto conj DSC in 7H opposite Venus. He has tried every trick in the book to fulfill his "prophecy of I told you so's" but he met one clever and stubborn human in me. He has been abandoned and cheated on and also has had a real......hmmm.....penchant for attracting looney women and I assume it has only served as an unconscious way to prove that his "I told you so's" were right...

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posted November 18, 2016 04:36 AM            

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Let my Pluto heal you!

Seriously though, If I don't have it, then maybe I just have a case of extreme overthinking which is clouding my judgement/intuition? My overthinking causing my paranoia?

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Maybe it already did. I feel a lot - a lot - clearer now. Must have been built up in me for years.

I overthink and don't get me wrong, I entertain potential scenarios and possibilities quite a lot. Don't see things clearly. But I can still detect a big difference between that and the othello syndrome. I think everyone has that confusion when close to something but it's a good sign you are divided about it rather than being convinced about one PoV. In fact that suprised me when I first read this thread because it would be unusual to entertain the possibility of being wrong if you did have to this degree.

posted November 18, 2016 11:39 AM            

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I have a piggy-back Q.

Would a 7H Pluto latch on to people within a group and kinda single them out because they want to "keep them to themselves" and thus creating a rift?

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Hmmm... When I'm in a group? When I'm in a group, I'm not very engaged in to it (although sometimes I can be, when I'm in that mood/drinking), as far as to latch onto a person within a group, not really. Idk if it's because of my sag sun or saturn in 11th, but eventually I single myself out and end up straying away from the group and everyone is wondering where I went (if someone wants to join me, then i'm fine with that, though), I do my own mini adven then return to group when ready..

posted November 18, 2016 11:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
I have Pluto in the 7th and I am truely a beast in the relationship matters. There shall be a complete devotion, or else.

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Hmm, ha, something I would say.

I wonder if 2 pluto 7th individuals get into a relay, what it be like.

posted November 18, 2016 11:54 AM            

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Maybe it already did. I feel a lot - a lot - clearer now. Must have been built up in me for years.

I overthink and don't get me wrong, I entertain potential scenarios and possibilities quite a lot. Don't see things clearly. But I can still detect a big difference between that and the othello syndrome. I think everyone has that confusion when close to something but it's a good sign you are divided about it rather than being convinced about one PoV. In fact that suprised me when I first read this thread because it would be unusual to entertain the possibility of being wrong if you did have to this degree.

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That's good! That's a start. If you feel to share more, I'm listening (or reading).

posted November 18, 2016 12:28 PM            

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You wrote this for my husband who has Pluto conj DSC in 7H opposite Venus. He has tried every trick in the book to fulfill his "prophecy of I told you so's" but he met one clever and stubborn human in me. He has been abandoned and cheated on and also has had a real......hmmm.....penchant for attracting looney women and I assume it has only served as an unconscious way to prove that his "I told you so's" were right...

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Wow. Did love eventually overwhelm him and wrap him tightly in its warm embrace?

posted November 18, 2016 12:38 PM            

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Wow. Did love eventually overwhelm him and wrap him tightly in its warm embrace?

And do you have a water rich chart?

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I have been very clear with the fact that I have no intentions of changing him but I have been clear with the things I like and don't like and also the things I DO NOT want him to project on me. Hate that sh1t!

posted November 18, 2016 01:32 PM            

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I have been very clear with the fact that I have no intentions of changing him but I have been clear with the things I like and don't like and also the things I DO NOT want him to project on me. Hate that sh1t!

I am water, yes

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posted November 19, 2016 01:02 PM            

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That's good! That's a start. If you feel to share more, I'm listening (or reading).

And yeah... I'm not very hard headed. Slow to move sometimes (especially the more someone pushes/forces me (taurus asc?) but not hard headed.

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Thank you, that was very nice to read. I'm ok now though, honestly and strange as that may be from just a conversation

posted November 19, 2016 01:22 PM            

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Othello syndrome: The delusion of infidelity of a spouse or partner. The Othello syndrome affects males and, less often, females. It is characterized by recurrent accusations of infidelity, searches for evidence, repeated interrogation of the partner, tests of their partner's fidelity, and sometime stalking. The syndrome may appear by itself or in the course of paranoid schizophrenia, alcoholism, or cocaine addiction. As in Othello, the play by Shakespeare, the syndrome can be highly dangerous and result in disruption of a marriage, homicide and suicide.

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My partner has pluto ruling his 7H and he is pretty chill. He isnt going around stressing if I am cheating. He also has Mars conjunct Uranus on his DC in Scorpio. With him is more about the anger outbursts than about jealously.

More than cheating he fears me leaving and breaking up with him but ofcourse he doesn't want me to be with anyone else.

posted November 19, 2016 01:28 PM            

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I have Pluto in the 7th and I am truely a beast in the relationship matters. There shall be a complete devotion, or else.

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posted November 19, 2016 05:21 PM            

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My partner has pluto ruling his 7H and he is pretty chill. He isnt going around stressing if I am cheating. He also has Mars conjunct Uranus on his DC in Scorpio. With him is more about the anger outbursts than about jealously.

More than cheating he fears me leaving and breaking up with him but ofcourse he doesn't want me to be with anyone else.

Perhaps pluto conjunct the DC could make you distrustful, I know Scorpio rising can. I think it would be hard for you to get away with cheating if your partner is a Scorpio riser, they will notice little changes in you and then become suspicious and investigate. Their intuition also will kick in hard. There is a reason why I ended up with an extremely faithful person, I am a firm believer that you know what you are married to but I suppose that is the Scorpio riser in me that feels like it's obvious to read a man and know what you have in that regard.

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This is true. I know a scorpio mooner, she's very sensitive (picking up behavior/mood changes).

Even through text, lol.

At the beginning it was a cat n mouse type of thing, cuz my mood use to change a alot (thanks to my gem moon/sag sun) .. she libra sun/scorpio moon .. she changed me in how I handle my emotions/moods. Because of her I'm more stable now.

posted November 19, 2016 05:24 PM            

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Perhaps Neptune ruling your 7H or 5H with some key Pluto aspects or Scorpio placements could give paranoia about cheating to the point of Othello Syndrome.

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My Neptune is in 9th house.

posted November 19, 2016 06:29 PM            

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That could also be your mars in Leo that demands complete devotion from her lovers .

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posted November 19, 2016 07:24 PM            

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My Neptune is in 9th house.

Only water placement I have is Saturn 11th house Pisces. And my Scorpio Dsc.

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Do you have a lot of fire then? Why don't you post your chart? I would love to take a look. Maybe Neptune aspects you 7H ruler harshly.

posted November 19, 2016 08:18 PM            

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Maybe!. Because its a one way street to me. I should be left to roam free ( even thou I am devoted as well, by choice).

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posted November 20, 2016 12:35 PM            

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Do you have a lot of fire then? Why don't you post your chart? I would love to take a look. Maybe Neptune aspects you 7H ruler harshly.

I think my sister she either thinks they are cheating on her or are gay or on drugs and Neptune rules her 7H which sextiles her pluto which forms a Yod with her southnode on her 8H, she also has pluto in the 1H and moon in Scorpio. To top it off she has sun, mercury and Venus in Cancer so is very easy for her to not feel secure which triggers her paranoia (pluto) which Neptune ruling her 7H fuels.

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posted November 20, 2016 01:34 PM            

My god relationships must be a huge load for you.

You are terrified of heart break and betrayal. I imagine you test the hell out of people before you let them in and enter in a relationship with them.

Saturn in Pisces is squaring your 7H stellium and moon so perhaps yes there is a lesson around letting your fears take over leading to possible delusions around infidelity not allowing you to relax and open up or give yourself fully to someone and enter into a committed relationship in the right frame of mind.

Saturn is the key here. That t-square is dominating your chart. I think all the earth you have is helping but since saturn is your only planet in a water sign that makes saturn a singleton planet for you so it dominates even more your chart, not to mention that saturn disposits your Venus and Mars in Capricorn in the 8H.