posted December 11, 2016 07:36 PM            

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posted December 11, 2016 07:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
What do you think. Voix?

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Personally, I think he heals himself through healing others. A shared journey that is potentially infinite.

Obviously there is a threshold of stability that must be achieved before we can be of service, but I think healing can last a lifetime and isn't always about closing wounds. Growth, development, wisdom, creativity, relationship - these all heal us from the ills of society in their own ways IMO. Sometimes we do not realise we are sick and that our hospital is our life.

posted December 11, 2016 08:08 PM            

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posted December 12, 2016 07:56 AM            

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posted December 12, 2016 12:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

We`ve talked about that. And nope, not true in my case.

The thing is, that while from the toolkit the description is apt in a generic way or at least *could* be true in some instances, other things will modify it.

The basic meaning here is that there is a great vulnerability in family-issues and deep emotional states. This vulnerability could manifest as pain and hurt that has to be bottled up inside to emotionally survive (depending on the childhood environment) or within a supportive environment could lead to sensitivity and a feeling of responsibility (Chiron was a teacher and guide and healer after all) for family or children.

The Chiron position is a "raw nerve", but how that raw nerve is treated and if it might be overstimulated (pain) or stimulated in the right way (alertness, sensitivity) makes the difference how we experience it.

A good indicator for this would be aspects to said Chiron in the natal chart.
Sqares and Oppositions of Mars, Saturn, Uranus or Pluto would probably be more indicative of the painful scenario.

Harmonious aspects, especially to softer energies, would be more inclined to a vulnerability that is not experienced as pain but actually as empowering.

In my case Chiron is not really prominent in aspects, what it has is a sextile to Moon within 3 degrees, which I am inclined to consider, though just weakly.

But I`ve always felt VERY supported by my parents and especially my Mom "gets" me on a deep level, especially when it comes to issues surrounding family or children (there are other fields where we might clash of course, as there are always areas of disagreement with someone, no matter how compatible and loving we really are to each other).

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Wow how lovely! You don't have hard aspects to your chiron and just a sextile to your Moon, well I could see what you mean about this manifesting in a deep bond with your parents and roots, maybe home is were you heal.

I dont know but I have it in my 7H but for some reason I identify with the 8H placement more. Chiron is ruled by mercury and mercury rules my 8H, maybe that is why :shrug: I also have Saturn in Scorpio but I don't think that Saturn in Scorpio will make me so vulnerable while having sex with someone I feel so deeply connected to. Or perhaps is bc mercury rules my 8H and it opposes my moon but I feel my reaction to it is more chiron bc of that extreme vulnerability and how naked my soul feels during such encounters with the right synastry.

When I have sex with someone I have a deep emotional connection with I cry at times not in a bad way, its more like I feel so vulnerable and find this so beautiful that I cry bc I know that this moment is temporary and will pass away. Now at age 33 I have reached a point in my life were I am grateful I have experienced how beautiful sex can be but also see the problems with it and the pain it brings so no longer let it dominate my life or give it the importance I use when I was younger. I see its value and I see its problems but just don't want it be a factor either way anymore in my life, I have let go of that part of my life, like it has passed away and I am completely ok with that.

I suppose mercury ruling my 8H and chiron plus having chiron in the 7H and saturn in scorpio paints a picture especially when you keep in mind I have chiron opposite Jupiter conjunct Uranus and chiron inconjunct Saturn in Scorpio exact. Perhaps the exact inconjunction from chiron to saturn in scorpio is what is giving my chiron an 8H flavor come to think of it!

posted December 12, 2016 12:57 PM            

My boyfriend has Chiron in the first too, but not in conjunction, but I think this placement is not as noticeable for him as mine is.

posted December 12, 2016 01:00 PM            

We may have had this convo but could your Chiron be in the 5th, with a different house system. This is my intuition, but you feel more like a 5th House Chiron than a Fourth, from seeing what you write and being here with you for seven or so years lol

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posted December 12, 2016 01:43 PM              

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Wow how lovely! You don't have hard aspects to your chiron and just a sextile to your Moon, well I could see what you mean about this manifesting in a deep bond with your parents and roots, maybe home is were you heal.

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I have a widish square to Saturn though (just over 3 degrees).

But yes you are right, my family is my castle and my cave where I completely heal from whatever and this is where things are being put in perspective.
and honestly a smile from my 4 months old nephew brings tears to my eyes, cause the joy and depth of this emotion is so great and allencompassing that the sheer intensity of it almost borders on pain (it is not pain as in suffering, but in as having a completely open heart and seeing it reflected in the little Lion-king`s facial expression and laugh when he looks at me. I guess we do that to each other though, one grimace leading to another. lol No words, just deep endless unconditional love for this miracle of life.

If that is the pain Chiron brings, bring me more of it!!!

But also truth be told, embracing this vulnerability and depth, also is almost scary at times and it transformed me.

And that, ladies and gentleman, is the one aspect of Chiron, we somehow always fail to mention.

He is about changing us, transforming us, making us go beyond our selfperceived boundaries.

He is not the rainbowbridge (between Saturn and Uranus) for nothing! )

posted December 12, 2016 01:44 PM              

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ceri

We may have had this convo but could your Chiron be in the 5th, with a different house system. This is my intuition, but you feel more like a 5th House Chiron than a Fourth, from seeing what you write and being here with you for seven or so years lol

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Then your intuition is wrong. And you don`t really know me.

posted December 12, 2016 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I have a widish square to Saturn though (just over 3 degrees).

But yes you are right, my family is my castle and my cave where I completely heal from whatever and this is where things are being put in perspective.
and honestly a smile from my 4 months old nephew brings tears to my eyes, cause the joy and depth of this emotion is so great and allencompassing that the sheer intensity of it almost borders on pain (it is not pain as in suffering, but in as having a completely open heart and seeing it reflected in the little Lion-king`s facial expression and laugh when he looks at me. I guess we do that to each other though, one grimace leading to another. lol No words, just deep endless unconditional love for this miracle of life.

If that is the pain Chiron brings, bring me more of it!!!

But also truth be told, embracing this vulnerability and depth, also is almost scary at times and it transformed me.

And that, ladies and gentleman, is the one aspect of Chiron, we somehow always fail to mention.

He is about changing us, transforming us, making us go beyond our selfperceived boundaries.

He is not the rainbowbridge (between Saturn and Uranus) for nothing! )

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posted December 12, 2016 02:14 PM              

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ceridwen:
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I have a widish square to Saturn though (just over 3 degrees).

But yes you are right, my family is my castle and my cave where I completely heal from whatever and this is where things are being put in perspective.
and honestly a smile from my 4 months old nephew brings tears to my eyes, cause the joy and depth of this emotion is so great and allencompassing that the sheer intensity of it almost borders on pain (it is not pain as in suffering, but in as having a completely open heart and seeing it reflected in the little Lion-king`s facial expression and laugh when he looks at me. I guess we do that to each other though, one grimace leading to another. lol No words, just deep endless unconditional love for this miracle of life.

If that is the pain Chiron brings, bring me more of it!!!

But also truth be told, embracing this vulnerability and depth, also is almost scary at times and it transformed me.

And that, ladies and gentleman, is the one aspect of Chiron, we somehow always fail to mention.

He is about changing us, transforming us, making us go beyond our selfperceived boundaries.

He is not the rainbowbridge (between Saturn and Uranus) for nothing! )

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I agree with you re: a child's smile. Will have to come back to say more. [/B][/QUOTE]

posted December 12, 2016 03:10 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieMG:
I have Chiron in the 1st conj. ASC and Lilith. I wasn't bullied as a child (except 1 or 2 times) but I do have emotional problems, mostly due to family conflicts that are still very palpable after so many years.

My boyfriend has Chiron in the first too, but not in conjunction, but I think this placement is not as noticeable for him as mine is.

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I have seen cases in which a strong pluto can mitigate the Chiron bullying. One girl had what I have Pluto conjunct Dejanira. We are, rarely, bullied. Once there was a bad kid in my neighborhood, but that was it

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posted December 12, 2016 03:47 PM              

Where we disagree is in the reduction and limitation of chiron`s symbolism to just "pain". (which can be undoubtedly a part of it, but again, just a part, not the end of all).

posted December 12, 2016 06:44 PM            

Agree to disagree, ceri.

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posted December 15, 2016 07:57 AM            

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posted December 15, 2016 08:29 AM            

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posted December 15, 2016 09:24 AM            

I find your write-ups rather negative. Astrology is about knowing how to use what you have to the best of your ability. If it disempowers you it's not useful.

posted December 15, 2016 12:50 PM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Chiron in the 6th means I am fascinating by the human body and health. Have researched it since my teens, ensure I am in touch with my body, have an excellent diet and give free reiki healing, massages, remedies and advice to those around me.

I find your write-ups rather negative. Astrology is about knowing how to use what you have to the best of your ability. If it disempowers you it's not useful.

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My Chiron in the 12th, my pain is deep, but it also makes me incredibly empathetic to other people's pain and I help theme in any way I can. It's all about perspective.

posted December 15, 2016 02:04 PM            

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posted December 15, 2016 02:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I have a widish square to Saturn though (just over 3 degrees).

But yes you are right, my family is my castle and my cave where I completely heal from whatever and this is where things are being put in perspective.
and honestly a smile from my 4 months old nephew brings tears to my eyes, cause the joy and depth of this emotion is so great and allencompassing that the sheer intensity of it almost borders on pain (it is not pain as in suffering, but in as having a completely open heart and seeing it reflected in the little Lion-king`s facial expression and laugh when he looks at me. I guess we do that to each other though, one grimace leading to another. lol No words, just deep endless unconditional love for this miracle of life.

If that is the pain Chiron brings, bring me more of it!!!

But also truth be told, embracing this vulnerability and depth, also is almost scary at times and it transformed me.

And that, ladies and gentleman, is the one aspect of Chiron, we somehow always fail to mention.

He is about changing us, transforming us, making us go beyond our self-perceived boundaries.

He is not the rainbow-bridge (between Saturn and Uranus) for nothing! )

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That is beautiful and can relate to what you are saying in the context of the 8H but would you say just like it brings you that much joy bc of the sextile to the moon there is also this other layer of it (the square to saturn) that brings pain due to that part of you that wants to experience having your own family yet Saturn has delayed this or denied it to you in that context.