posted February 16, 2017 02:55 AM            

It will counter what is causing the 75% to have stress.

Whatever natural phenomena that it is that is forcing 75% of normal people to be troubled, the medication will counter it.

Even if its a type of radio wave in the air, the medication is the key.
Even if it's continually not stopping afterwards and still irritating and disrupting your brain. Whatever caused 75% to have mental problems; "always do the medication."

Stresses from lack of work, the medication will cure your reality.

posted February 16, 2017 07:01 AM            

Might I suggest you contact an Angelic Reiki healer? We are all over the world, and most of us work remotely, as well as in person. If you google the Angelic Reiki Association, you will find a directory of practitioners. This is a very powerful energy healing modality which I am confident can give you a "happy" boost. Most of us have been able to help people going through depression, anxiety, sleeplessness.

posted February 16, 2017 07:35 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
but when someone counters your argument or brings up new ones "this thread should be closed" even though, according to how it should be to you, this is just an internet forum and this things happen. oh getting closed is a part of how a forum works too then i guess

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posted February 16, 2017 07:40 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
i value the best path for the "mentally ill" i myself included. i know it is very very rare for someone to actually be ill, i've never seen an ill person in my life. sure these people are troubled, maybe "messed up" but still tangible and reachable to understanding.

i know that medication is not good. if you care about your brains and your future, your brain is better off natural. without natural you will put your brain in an altered state. the changes can be permanent lasting, your brain chemistry never to be normal again. especially when 1/4 have gotten that way it's natural and you shouldnt expect that 1/4 should need medication. humans through out history should never take medication imagine if our ancestors took medication for thousands of years. whats the point when they dont even need it. im not saying you dont have problems im just saying the medication isnt good. you still have problems and mental problems but medication is not going to fix it.

also i was discouraging doctors from evaluating people with psychosis because they never were crazy but yet they said they were and gave them pills when they didnt need it. i never said anything about anti depressents i dont really care about that.

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Dude, you totally told the OP to "tough it out without a doctor" which is ridiculous advice and quite frankly dangerous.

But I digress. You have made your viewpoint on people receiving treatment for depression repeatedly clear on here several times. Now can we move on and talk about the astrology involved in this topic? Or do you need to continue to push your dangerous views and opinions on everyone here until the topic is finally closed?

posted February 16, 2017 04:12 PM            

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Originally posted by manderin:
Has anyone experienced Saturn transiting their moon?

I'm starting to feel the effects of this and my mood has severely plummeted. It's gotten a lot harder to see the positives in life and difficult to get out of bed. There's no logical reason for it except Saturn transiting my moon. I was thinking of going on anti-depressants but can drugs really help you through a transit?

I should note here that I wouldn't even consider meds if this depression wasn't deep. I'm so low that it hurts PHYSICALLY.

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That sounds a blockage of energy in the movement of fluids and circulation. It is common with Saturn transits and I know from experience exactly what you mean.

I'm certainly not here to say 'no', but being an herbalist I never reach for Rx drugs first. Or if you do first go with an Rx drug, don't think of it as a solution and keep looking at more body-friendly natural approaches that have a much longer history of use.

I'd recommend you see a good TCM practitioner, or ND/herbalist.

If you feel you have none of those options because of the finances, it is time for a healthy rebellion against that limiting system and an insistence on nothing less that what is good for YOU. Insist on growth and healthy balance first in your own mind, then you are more likely to get good results with anything you use.

Sometimes depression can leave us lost among the forest of doctors, pharmaceuticals, and options. Just know your body and mind know what it feels like to be healthy, and that you may have to do an emotional cleansing as part of this Saturn transit to your Moon. Inquire through you inner wisdom how to accomplish this gently and effectively.

Peace and Healing.

posted February 16, 2017 11:55 PM            

How To Beat Major Depression With The Right Diet
http://www.spring.org.uk/2017/02/depression-and-diet.php
World-first study reveals how diet can treat major depression.

Improving dietary quality successfully treats major depression, a large new study finds.

The three-month study recruited people with major depressive disorder.

One group were given support from a clinical dietitian.

A control group were given access to social support, which is also beneficial for depression.

Those in the dietary group saw great improvements in depressive symptoms.

At the end of the study one-third of people who had changed their diet were in remission from depression.

This compared to only 8% in the social support group.

Professor Felice Jacka, the study’s first author, said:

“We’ve known for some time that there is a clear association between the quality of people’s diets and their risk for depression.

This is the case across countries, cultures and age groups, with healthy diets associated with reduced risk, and unhealthy diets associated with increased risk for depression.

However, this is the first randomised controlled trial to directly test whether improving diet quality can actually treat clinical depression.”

The dietitian encouraged people to eat more of the following food types:

vegetables,
fruits,
wholegrains,
legumes,
fish,
lean red meats,
olive oil,
and nuts.
At the same time people were discouraged from eating:

sweets,
refined cereals,
fried food,
fast-food,
processed meats,
and sugary drinks.
Professor Jacka continued:

“These results were not explained by changes in physical activity or body weight, but were closely related to the extent of dietary change.

Those who adhered more closely to the dietary program experienced the greatest benefit to their depression symptoms.”

The study suggests that dietitians should be made available to those being treated for depression.

Professor Jacka said:

“Mental disorders account for the leading cause of disability worldwide, with depression accounting for the large proportion of that burden.

While approximately half of sufferers are helped by currently available medical and psychological therapies, new treatment options for depression are urgently needed.

Importantly, depression also increases the risk of and, in turn, is also increased by common physical illnesses such as obesity, type 2 diabetes and heart disease.

Successfully improving the quality of patients’ diets would also benefit these illnesses.”

The study was published in the journal BMC Medicine (Jacka et al., 2017).

posted February 17, 2017 12:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
^^^ Here is the direct link to the study I just posted about, complete with peer reviews on its flaws
http://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-017-0791-y

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In the diet change group, 75.8 of them were on anti-depressants.

Okay but besides all that, there could be many confounding variables, the sample size was way too low, the attrition was too high and they never claimed diet cured MDD, it reported reductions in depression symptoms as a result of this intervention NOT a cure.

Everyone knows eating better is healthier for you, and that eating healthy has a better effect on mood. However, it will never be able to cure major depressive disorder. It can cure SAD, get more calcium and vitamin D, or even possibly environmental depression (if the person is depressed at their body) but not the chemical imbalance in the BRAIN found with people who have MDD. Exercising and eating healthier help improve MDD symptoms, but that alone won't relieve all the symptoms.

*I know I said I would stop commenting with nonastrology stuff but I can't do that with this topic. I just can't

posted February 17, 2017 01:06 AM            

then again.. who said he wasn't good

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just imagine back in the day he was "overly apparently depressed" and he had to take medication.. he would have sat in a hospital for the rest of his life and never gone anywhere... life is what you make it!

posted February 17, 2017 01:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:

The abstract (also known as the overview for the study): The possible therapeutic impact of dietary changes on existing mental illness is largely unknown. Using a randomised controlled trial design, we aimed to investigate the efficacy of a dietary improvement program for the treatment of major depressive episodes.

In the diet change group, 75.8 of them were on anti-depressants.

Okay but besides all that, there could be many confounding variables, the sample size was way too low, the attrition was too high and they never claimed diet cured MDD, it reported reductions in depression symptoms as a result of this intervention NOT a cure.

Everyone knows eating better is healthier for you, and that eating healthy has a better effect on mood. However, it will never be able to cure major depressive disorder. It can cure SAD, get more calcium and vitamin D, or even possibly environmental depression (if the person is depressed at their body) but not the chemical imbalance in the BRAIN found with people who have MDD. Exercising and eating healthier help improve MDD symptoms, but that alone won't relieve all the symptoms.

*I know I said I would stop commenting with nonastrology stuff but I can't do that with this topic. I just can't

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I welcome your opinion though I may not agree with it.

posted February 17, 2017 08:03 AM            

https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/02/new-data-supports-acupuncture-treatment-depression/?utm_source=WWB+2.16.17+2.0&utm_campaign=WWB+2.16.17&utm_medium=email

And here is the study and abstract:

https://www.journalslibrary.nihr.ac.uk/pgfar/pgfar05030#/s6

posted February 17, 2017 08:12 AM            

Now, if someone is going through a major loss of some sort (divorce, financial ruin, death of loved one etc), it is normal to feel depressed. But when depression arises out of the blue, these are my recommendations:

* Clean up your diet. Many of those who have come to me for depression were eating a lousy diet.

* Exercise diligently. This is not the time to slack up and be a couch potatoe. People who make an effort to stay in excellent physical shape rarely experience depression out of the blue.

* Get into therapy and support group. Often times, long standing repressed issues and emotional traumas need to be dealt with and therapy can help.

* Explore your spiritual side. Are you listening to that still small voice?

* Explore natural support in the form of acupuncture, herbs and massage therapy.

If none of these help, then yeah, get those meds. But like surgery, anti-depressants meds should only be last resort. The pharmaceutical industry is not looking out for your good, they are all about making money off you. The current opioid crisis should tell you EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY.

That's my opinion.

posted February 17, 2017 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
The abstract (also known as the overview for the study): The possible therapeutic impact of dietary changes on existing mental illness is largely unknown. Using a randomised controlled trial design, we aimed to investigate the efficacy of a dietary improvement program for the treatment of major depressive episodes.

In the diet change group, 75.8 of them were on anti-depressants.

Okay but besides all that, there could be many confounding variables, the sample size was way too low, the attrition was too high and they never claimed diet cured MDD, it reported reductions in depression symptoms as a result of this intervention NOT a cure.

Everyone knows eating better is healthier for you, and that eating healthy has a better effect on mood. However, it will never be able to cure major depressive disorder. It can cure SAD, get more calcium and vitamin D, or even possibly environmental depression (if the person is depressed at their body) but not the chemical imbalance in the BRAIN found with people who have MDD. Exercising and eating healthier help improve MDD symptoms, but that alone won't relieve all the symptoms.

*I know I said I would stop commenting with nonastrology stuff but I can't do that with this topic. I just can't

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posted February 17, 2017 11:05 PM            

So many people loved it. I didn't know it was normal for people to stop caring about life? Goes hand in hand with the "30%" or however much who "are depressed."

Just because you dont want to do anything or care about anything doesnt mean you are depressed. I've litterally seen hundreds of posts, more than any other about people not wanting to go to work, enjoy eating lots of food, wanting to sleep all day, doing nothing all day as a means of "being funny".

Theres tons. Something is changing people to be different a huge majority well EVERYONE

Both times I went into the Psyche ward, volunteeringly, the doctors barely listened to anything i said and just tried to push medication which isnt just or fair. I had so many problems i could explain and wanted to a lot.

posted February 17, 2017 11:40 PM            

I often didn't want to do anything either! I spent a lot of my days just sitting around, inside, watching tv, passing time, lazing, doing nothing at all.

Some disagree but I'm fairly sure that the age of aqua/leo just pushed itself on us and phased in these last several years.. we are fully there now but our minds/brains are still adjusting and getting used to this "fixivity".

as soon as my asc Progressed to pisces.. i started travelling.. i started walking and moving ALL day in different areas.. i travelled and wondered around so much.

We just left that age. Maybe it phased in a little in the 60's as it's from the poles apparently slowly inching towards aqua/leo.. maybe the poles take up like 0.2 degrees so it takes like 100 years to fully emerge.. just an idea..

so if all of society just became more like i was with my asc/dsc in aqua leo, and are comparing themselves to how my progressed pisces ascendant is, then they are going to think "they arent doing it right".. when they actually are.. everything you love and enjoy to do.. is actually from metaphysics.. it's all sensed that it is a loving activity to enjoy and even you SHOULD do it

too many people thinking they are bad.. doing wrong, when they are actually doing what an aqua/leo axis does.. nothing.. sit around.. philosophize.. be love.. it's not about doing anymore or wondering/travelling..

sorry for off topic from OP

Oh and about what i said before this "just because you dont care about anything or want to do anything doesnt mean your depressed" i mean the pisces/virgo axis is probably one of the most caring.. well sensitive. they care about the futures so much, hence they make changes for a better future. an aqua/leo doesnt care about anything- they are very insensitive. i know, because i had this Progressed asc/dsc, i was even less sensitive then i am now. i even trolled people for fun calling them names and they did it back we both got rushes out of how insensitive we were being. as an aqua/leo (which are where the North and south pole now are) you dont care about much but your own greatness. pride ego.

posted February 18, 2017 12:21 AM            

It's along the lines of putting an end to something.

I personally think there is no benefits for having taking some myself. It's strange even they were using electro shock therapy which we now believe causes massive amounts of damage (to fix skitzophrenics) and doesnt actually cure anything.

I guess each age has a down fall. There's was delusion but I'm sure they were too excited moving around to care.

posted February 18, 2017 12:35 AM            

it isnt true. you can not escape metaphysical pulls which is the reason why humans have always done what they have done.

christianity and god? god is always with us guiding us. I encourage everyone to have faith in god, seeing as they were in the mutable age they did not sit around and think and feel as secure... they went head first into things but they did come to the belief that if you just trust in god you will be fine. you will be fine either way but if you trust in god you will do a lot more outragious growthful things.

posted February 18, 2017 01:24 AM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
Manderin I hope you're feeling better. I know how it feels, like your world is a few shades darker than normal. Like you don't see the point. Just remember, it will pass. People here gave you lots of different suggestions. I hope you find one that will help you.

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posted February 18, 2017 01:27 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
If you read some of the old testament it actually says to sacrifice animals. This was in the aries/libra axis and is not in fact delusion. Metaphyiscs are incredibly profound.

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So your solution is to sacrifice animals????