posted March 07, 2017 07:31 PM            

My ex has this aspect as well as mercury afflicted neptune, just the same as Donald Trump, they have sun in conjunct too and the same moon and mercury sign.

When Donald Trump talks, he reminds me of my ex, he talks talks talks and talks (like he is the smartest and knows EVERYTHING and will be right in his hands) then I get a sense that I can not trust him. lol.

Pardon me, I want to laugh at my self right now because of how stupid I am doubting my own words and guilty about it. The last time I was angry to him and I impulsively let it out that I said to him what a foolish he was and he should think with rationality and using his BRAIN (logically with a healthy mind) and it would be the worst decision to someone who believes the promises that never will be kept by him. After I told him that (and he gave me silent treatments), I feel guilty because I know it was too harsh and I just impulsively words vomit.

But, hey, now, I'm reading this and I'm worried that doubting my own words this whole time are useless.

Mercury square Jupiter

"Now remember that Jupiter will E-X-P-A-N-D whatever it touches and when it expands Mercury, then this results in grandiose and exaggerated thinking.

With this placement, remember the phrase, "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread." This is the classic placement for grandiose thinking that is just too 'out there' for realization. There is a rush to action in an attempt to get projects accomplished that are just too far out of reach for the individual's circumstances, talents, skills, capacity or time that is required. Unless Saturn is well placed or aspected during this square, then little will get done, accomplished, fixed or off the ground. This is just flat out unrealistic optimism.

There are a lot of ideas being thrown around, plans being made, schedules laid out and bags being packed but none of it really goes anywhere. There are just so many options that you may not be sure which way to go or which plan (path) to follow. It all sounds so optimistic, wonderful and highly inflated and IT IS! Promises will not be kept and this energy bites off more than it can chew. Again, unless Saturn is near to discipline the individual, you can expect a lot of talk and no action. It's just flat out 'lip service' from these two communicative planets (Mercury and Jupiter). Often there is discrepancy between the individuals beliefs and the actual truth.

The rush to judgment with this aspect is very strong wherein decisions are being made on insufficient information. Details get lost in the process because Mercury is also the planet of details, methods and scientific precise calculation. Details, details, details! While projects are being attempted in a rush, the last thing you may be concerned about is the details. Oh details, details, details. If this aspect is screaming anything at you, it's PAY ATTENTION TO THE DETAILS! "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread." You must be aware of the negative potential in your actions.

This placement often gets the mind (Mercury) and feelings (Jupiter) fighting with each other. Remember, Jupiter is the higher octave of the Moon, so feelings are heightened going up against Mercury's mindset. Jupiter rules the higher thinking mind, philosophy, religion and philanthropy. These two planets are not going to agree on how to get things accomplished.

Concentrate on listening because this aspect is a very hard challenge to tame. Sometimes this square shows an aversion or mental block to religion or philosophical thinking where you will not want to listen simply because you have closed the open-mindedness window of Jupiter.

This next sentence may be tough to hear but someone needs to say it. This aspect lacks common sense. This aspect screams USE YOUR HEAD! This is the classic placement for the person who lacks common sense. It's like picking up a hitchhiker who is stumbling drunk with a pistol in their hand. It doesn't take a genius to keep on driving but the individual with this placement may think the hitchhiker was just tired of standing and that's why they were swaying and stumbling and they thought the pistol they were holding were gloves. REALLY? Well, that's how ridiculous this aspect can cause a person to think. It sounded like a Good idea at the time.

This aspect also cannot keep a secret. Somehow, someway, that secret information just comes blabbering out of the mouth. The minute someone says, "Don't tell anyone I told you but . . . " then that is the tell tale sign not to trust that person because they will tell your secrets too. This aspect in the natal chart blabs secrets. Even if they don't mean to, somehow, someway, they will divulge that secret confidential information and end up saying, "I didn't mean to, it just came out." This aspect is a salesperson's easy prey because the individual with this placement (or under the spell of this aspect) will fall for all kinds of deals, MLM (multi-level marketing) or get rich quick schemes. In sales this person is called "a lay down" because they walk in with a couch on their back and they are an easy sell.

This placement also causes one to have an intellectually inflated ego. This is mental pride. There is excessive talking and bragging in a bombastic way with the intention of impressing others. The bombastic ways are inflated without any meaning. In other words, it's a lot of hot air. If you are wondering, no Donald Trump does not have Mercury square Jupiter."

I thought I should blame his mercury neptune afflicted for lying and so many BS talks, but it is the afflicted Jupiter! Oh, boy, this is truly describing him perfectly (as I know him personally in almost 4 years).

If you have this aspect or you know someone who have this aspect, tell me your story/opinion about it and how you can overcome the bad side?

How do you tell this people so they can realize their behavior?

posted March 07, 2017 09:31 PM            

Its not not your fault. From my experience Aquarians tend to see the good in someone before assuming the worst.

If someone is pure evil they will generally assume there is some good in them while everyone else has already made an opinion of that person, hence the water barrer.

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
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How do you tell this people so they can realize their behavior?

as well as mercury afflicted neptune..

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Mercury opposite Neptune is the only opposition my mercury makes in my chart.

The rest of my mercury placements are either conjunctions or trines.

With Mercury opposite Neptune I find its more of being confident with yourself.

Jupiter square Saturn and Jupiter Square True node are the only negative placements my Jupiter makes.

The remaining Jupiter placements in my chart are trines/conjunctions. Also my Jupiter trines my Mercury and Sun.

So I think that balances things out.

Off topic my Aquarius friend is also a Sag riser.

We both have a different interaction then you had with your Gem.

With her I tend to ask her what she thinks on things and it helps sort out my indecision.

Its probably because are Mercuries are in conjunction and my Jupiter in Aquarius conjuncts her sun.

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Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer

posted March 08, 2017 11:37 AM            

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From my experience Aquarians tend to see the good in someone before assuming the worst.

If someone is pure evil they will generally assume there is some good in them while everyone else has already made an opinion of that person, hence the water barrer.

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Mercury opposite Neptune is the only opposition my mercury makes in my chart.

The rest of my mercury placements are either conjunctions or trines.

With Mercury opposite Neptune I find its more of being confident with yourself.

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I've seen how Aquarians tend to be misunderstood too! We feel deep and sometimes fail to tell exactly how we feel. Sad. Sometimes I admire Geminis for their easy flow in communication. Even the quiet one will always know what to say. While the Aquarians will always be awkward. (Let me laugh at myself first)

posted March 08, 2017 01:37 PM            

From what I have been told - I learned to speak very early, I was just one year old and speaking full sentences, I was able to communicate with grown ups and none could believe it. That is on the bright side. It also gives great imagination. I spent a lot of years on writing, always had a brilliant idea for a story.

On the darker side - I lie, I brag and I do have an ego inflated out of proportion. I have a close friend who was born a day before me - same story.

posted March 08, 2017 02:21 PM            

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Originally posted by crystal_clear:
I have natal Jupiter conjunct mercury in Saggitarius (less than one degree) and wide conjunction to Neptune (10 degrees) and in between also MC.

From what I have been told - I learned to speak very early, I was just one year old and speaking full sentences, I was able to communicate with grown ups and none could believe it. That is on the bright side. It also gives great imagination. I spent a lot of years on writing, always had a brilliant idea for a story.

On the darker side - I lie, I brag and I do have an ego inflated out of proportion. I have a close friend who was born a day before me - same story.

But, do not forget one aspect that makes you being misunderstood - Sun square ASC.

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Thank you for being honest at this moment. lol.

Do you have Sun square ASC? I don't have the aspect, but the Aquarius in me naturally is misunderstood most of the time especially about emotions/feelings.

posted March 08, 2017 03:10 PM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
Thank you for being honest at this moment. lol.

Do you have Sun square ASC? I don't have the aspect, but the Aquarius in me naturally is misunderstood most of the time especially about emotions/feelings.

If you don't mind, what is your sun and moon sign?

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I have no reason to lie here but I do lie when it's convenient. Plus I am a lot more self conscious now so I can admit this negative trait.

posted March 10, 2017 01:49 AM            

Yes, saturn is really helping if jupiter making an aspect to the same placement.

I have mercury sextile jupiter but also there's saturn/uranus there, I am terrible at lying and I cannot sugarcoat any story, so if someone does that I will try to correct them with factual and real thing.

thank you for sharing.

posted January 03, 2023 07:35 AM            

Mercury afflictions to Jupiter may suggest an individual who doesnt like small talk. Or simply cannot do small talk. They have to talk about big issues that most people either do not know of. Or aren't that interested in.

This is the person who will discuss really broad and deep topics(Jup) i.e politics, religion,race relations etc. at a social event(Merc) like a party.

Typically, the square would suggest that they feel easily threatened intellectually. And consider an opposing expression to their view as being "challenged". So they may see it as an opportunity for them to "crush" and "own" you.

When however they are proved to be wrong, they can become arrogant and insist on their way of thinking. This because Jupiter inflates their ego attachment to their thoughts. So they think themselves intelligent and without fault. They know everything!🤷🏿‍♂️

As kids growing up,this arrogance in communication style may have created them adversarial relations with siblings, relatives, neighbours, teachers and authority figures( this especially the Father and/or religious authority figures including "God")

posted January 03, 2023 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by edenhardwicke:
I know someone with both Mercury square Neptune and Sun square Ascendant. She is terrible at lying and hiding how she feels (I think due to other influences in her chart), but she is very good at deluding herself and basically coming up with ideal scenarios to believe in that are unrealistic and which she would never be able to achieve. It's like she believes she is capable of more than she actually is, and kind of ignores or rationalizes away certain feelings in order to convince herself and others that she really thinks she can do something (when almost everyone else knows she can't). Neptune is in her 1st house, which I think goes with the tendency to have delusions about herself. She tends to be very intuitive and easily senses things about other people, but it's like she has a blind spot when it comes to her own actions, feelings, and motivations. It can come across as lying, and on some level it is, but she is usually deeply convinced that what she's saying is true even when it defies all logic.

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The second part is resonate with somebody Jupiter AC I have known. She cannot grasp a concept small things add up together to make big. Big things barely happen by itself.

I have Jupiter too, but I have many things what make me pessimistic and my Pluto doesn’t let it run far. I wish I had more Jupiter. It gives me kick start sometimes. But I could sound like Jupiter at times and appear arrogant. I could say complete truth and people wouldn’t believe it because it sounds ridiculous for their mindset.

posted January 03, 2023 06:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
Generally, I don’t think Jupiter is intentional lying. They might don’t pay attention and ignore things or see them in different light, or have completely different screw up philosophy.

Also, Jupiter could have big vocabulary, but not nesseery talking much.
From my experience, hard Neptune to Mercury talks much more.

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I've come to see something like this as the "car-dealer" aspect.

Define "lies"?

The car dealer wants a win-win: sell a car for a good profit for themselves and make the deal nice and smooth so the purchaser walks away happy with the purchase.

The devil is in the detail. Which of course is not jupiter's forte. the purchaser is ignorant of the profit margin, or damages to the car which where accidentally not mentioned. This is of course fair, right? Of course it is. Or, the fairness of it is up for debate (debate is Jupiter's territory).

There is a thread on LL somewhere that explores the darker side of Sag/Jup (actually, I think that is the title?) which is very interesting (I'll see if I can link).

Sag are not so sweet and nice, actually. They do hold the art though, of making it feel nice.

To exaggerate to make the point I say this: they are almost the snake in the grass sign, in that, they understand very well how buttering people up can get them what they want, and where they want to go. They are magical, because you wont feel a bad thing.

As the sign, previous to Cap, they are equally ambitious, acquisitive, and status pursuing. And after Scorp, processing and integrating all they know about power.

posted January 03, 2023 11:05 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
I've come to see something like this as the "car-dealer" aspect.

Define "lies"?

The car dealer wants a win-win: sell a car for a good profit for themselves and make the deal nice and smooth so the purchaser walks away happy with the purchase.

The devil is in the detail. Which of course is not jupiter's forte. the purchaser is ignorant of the profit margin, or damages to the car which where accidentally not mentioned. This is of course fair, right? Of course it is. Or, the fairness of it is up for debate (debate is Jupiter's territory).

There is a thread on LL somewhere that explores the darker side of Sag/Jup (actually, I think that is the title?) which is very interesting (I'll see if I can link).

Sag are not so sweet and nice, actually. They do hold the art though, of making it feel nice.

To exaggerate to make the point I say this: they are almost the snake in the grass sign, in that, they understand very well how buttering people up can get them what they want, and where they want to go. They are magical, because you wont feel a bad thing.

As the sign, previous to Cap, they are equally ambitious, acquisitive, and status pursuing. And after Scorp, processing and integrating all they know about power.

It's very interesting and I feel a lock has been opened when looking deeper into Jupiter that is otherwise thought of some kind of benevolent angel.

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posted January 04, 2023 07:27 AM            

Here is the link:

posted January 10, 2023 01:30 PM            

Ok, here comes Jupiter blessings. One gets an expensive antique car for cheap, but he doesn’t know anything about cars and might find out it in 3 years while he has been having much problems driving and hating on that garbage car for 3 years meanwhile.
A car dealer is pretty happy he got rid from that garbage car finally and got decent money. He could keep living in happy ignorance if Saturn doesn’t decide to spoil his happiness and teach him lessons. Saturn comes as his business associate who finds out about the mistake and wants this car dealer to get him and a company reimbursement for that mistake.

posted March 04, 2023 11:42 PM            

Finding and consciously being aware of how I'm expressing my VERY abundant/loudly/joyously huge energy has been a lifelong trial.

And I've got Mars rx, my chart ruler, so the energy is often a 'builds up until it pops' when I was younger. As I grew up, it has become more of a 'hands on the wheel AND the gear shift' sort of situation. Still slowly learning to also have my feet on the gas/break as well. It's a lifelong journey!

Also; coping through HUMOUR phew. That's really it. Sometimes I say things that shock people, but don't realize it's going to be shocking! Which leads to a lot of giggling and laughter to try and diffuse the lingering awkward or intensity that usually comes from the new information.

posted March 25, 2023 07:07 PM            

Sweeps over the details imagining that he can grasp the facts of a matter.

Jupiter then believes himself to be the great wise one.

Scrutiny from others is squashed. And/or also bullied or humiliated.

Yes, just as magical as Neptune Jupiter is. All show and no go