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charlie
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posted March 14, 2017 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In Placidus I have my Cancer stellium firmly placed in the middle of 11H but if I choose Whole sign, it's at the very end of 12H. Through much self-search and contemplation, I've come to conclusion that the 12H position fits me better. What I'm wondering is this: why wouldn't Placidus be the one and only system? Why does it work for some and not others? Stellium in 11H is vastly different from 12H in my opinion. I think I lied myself into believing I was that 11H sun, but I'm not.

Could long transits in a certain house exaggerate a notion of being someone? Example: when I got into astrology and knew NOTHING, tPluto had just entered 5H of Sag (which I thought was Cap) and I was off the freakin charts crazy! Since I didn't know anything, I assumed I had my Cap Moon in 5H opposite that Cancer stellium in 11H and I rode that Pluto wave like a champion :-/

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Aries23Degrees
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posted March 14, 2017 04:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most people want precision. So placidus does allow for that.

I am Aries Asc in both. But i really resonate strongly with Mercury in 9th,Mars in 6th and Moon in 3rd . So i chose to use both.

Whole sign is great for Asc sign clarity. Placidus for degree specifics.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted March 14, 2017 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
charlie,

The core answer to all these questions is first that it is not the house system used for any given chart, but the accuracy of the Asc itself that determines whether house placements in any house system will seem fitting to the native's life.

About whole sign houses

The so-called whole sign system is really not a house system but a reversion to signs as its measure when the very purpose of any true house system is to anchor the 12 sectors to geocentric location and thus to the space-time dynamics of the native's starting place in life. In other words, 'whole sign' is an attempt to ignore what houses mean by ignoring that they are rooted in rotational dynamics of the Earth. Its only supposed virtue is the convenience given by avoiding the inconvenience of theoretical mathematical formulation.

The reason many claim 'whole sign houses' fits and is 'better' is probably because it introduces some averaging effects, which may change some placements by way of changing the goal posts. But no 'goal' is scored with whole sign, because it is not a house system. It is a convenience system.

About your chart

The 12th house positioning of your Cancer stellium may be more fitting, but if the birth time you have shared with us here is basically correct, then there is no chance of your Asc being in Cancer: zero. And no chance of it being in Virgo either. It is in Leo, an early degree ... or a late degree, but not another sign.

The all-important details you have probaly not considered

If your Asc is in early Leo it could be parallel Jupiter [17N49] and contra-parallel the Moon [19 south], but conjunct Saturn.

Moving into mid-Leo Asc is still be in parallel Jupiter and contra-parallel Moon, but Saturn would be in the 12th; far enough into mid-Leo and Asc could be widely parallel Jupiter, but not contra-parallel Moon.

Moving into later-Leo Asc moves into square with Jupiter and Venus square MC, with Mars parallel MC [10-12 north].

Asc in the last several degrees of Leo is parallel Mars-Pluto, contra-parallel Uranus.

There is no doubt you have Mars [11N34] parallel Pluto [11N54] with both contra-parallel Uranus [12S04]. You may have Venus in square aspect to MC, but not conjunct Asc.

The game changer in your considerations

You do have Sun [22N05] in ~exact~ parallel with Venus [22N05]. This is what has brought confusion about where your Asc 'should' be, because you rightly perceive the dominance of this aspect, which much like an exact conjunction brings into prominence Venus.

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charlie
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posted March 14, 2017 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
charlie,

The core answer to all these questions is first that it is not the house system used for any given chart, but the accuracy of the Asc itself that determines whether house placements in any house system will seem fitting to the native's life.

[b]About whole sign houses

The so-called whole sign system is really not a house system but a reversion to signs as its measure when the very purpose of any true house system is to anchor the 12 sectors to geocentric location and thus to the space-time dynamics of the native's starting place in life. In other words, 'whole sign' is an attempt to ignore what houses mean by ignoring that they are rooted in rotational dynamics of the Earth. Its only supposed virtue is the convenience given by avoiding the inconvenience of theoretical mathematical formulation.

The reason many claim 'whole sign houses' fits and is 'better' is probably because it introduces some averaging effects, which may change some placements by way of changing the goal posts. But no 'goal' is scored with whole sign, because it is not a house system. It is a convenience system.

About your chart

The 12th house positioning of your Cancer stellium may be more fitting, but if the birth time you have shared with us here is basically correct, then there is no chance of your Asc being in Cancer: zero. And no chance of it being in Virgo either. It is in Leo, an early degree ... or a late degree, but not another sign.

The all-important details you have probaly not considered

If your Asc is in early Leo it could be parallel Jupiter [17N49] and contra-parallel the Moon [19 south], but conjunct Saturn.

Moving into mid-Leo Asc is still be in parallel Jupiter and contra-parallel Moon, but Saturn would be in the 12th; far enough into mid-Leo and Asc could be widely parallel Jupiter, but not contra-parallel Moon.

Moving into later-Leo Asc moves into square with Jupiter and Venus square MC, with Mars parallel MC [10-12 north].

Asc in the last several degrees of Leo is parallel Mars-Pluto, contra-parallel Uranus.

There is no doubt you have Mars [11N34] parallel Pluto [11N54] with both contra-parallel Uranus [12S04]. You may have Venus in square aspect to MC, but not conjunct Asc.

The game changer in your considerations

You do have Sun [22N05] in ~exact~ parallel with Venus [22N05]. This is what has brought confusion about where your Asc 'should' be, because you rightly perceive the dominance of this aspect, which much like an exact conjunction brings into prominence Venus.


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Kannon, your in-depth answers always fascinate me and give me hours of studying! I think we can conclude I have a late Leo Asc, or somewhere thereabouts. Mars parallel Pluto=yes, for certain, since it's a very prominent feature in me no matter where I try and hide. Sun/Venus parallel was something I hadn't even considered and will look into.

What still irks me, is that my chart feels off. I am happy with that Leo Asc but my Sun/Moon placement feels off UNLESS, there are some really strong underlying aspects tweaking their presence in 11H/5H. Perhpas it's so, that my Leo Asc IS much earlier degree. My mom is 1000% certain on my birth cert. but they have been wrong many times.

I need to add that I am not one of those that like to "adopt" a different sign placement because I'm not happy with what I've got, it's just the nuances of said signs that don't fit. I probably would have been dead by now had it not been for my moon's relentlessness and sheer iron will!

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Kannon McAfee
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posted March 14, 2017 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you. May I quote this first line of your response as a brief testimonial for my site?

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Originally posted by charlie:
Kannon, your in-depth answers always fascinate me and give me hours of studying!

(attributing it to "charlie, linda-goodman. com forum")

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charlie
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posted March 14, 2017 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Thank you. May I quote this first line of your response as a brief testimonial for my site?

(attributing it to "charlie, linda-goodman. com forum")


Of course!

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Kannon McAfee
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posted March 14, 2017 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you.

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mirage29
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posted March 14, 2017 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice work, Kannon.

Charlie .., I don't know your age, or your chart placements, but I know that (for myself experientially) Progressions (where the planets are advanced a degree a year) eventually change the flavors and moods of the chart--- fast moving planets first, then the mid-range ones, and rarely the outer transpersonal planets, can change zodiac signs and houses. The aspects between the planets also change and produce an energetic effect... especially if you are sensitive to subtle energies.

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