posted June 03, 2017 08:30 AM            

I used to use Placidus because it defaulted on astro.com until I had a conversation with Elsa P and she said she used Equal.

Since then, I've used equal - I'm from a fairly northern latitude so with Placidus I get some 60-degree houses and others less than 16-degrees.

Significantly for me, in equal, my Venus is in 5th, which fits a lot better than Venus in 4th (placidus). And my Saturn is the other one that leaps from 8th to the 7th - Saturn in 8th has a much stronger pull than in the 7th.

posted June 03, 2017 10:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Stellia:
So which do you use and why? Do you use different houses for different charts? Is there an ultimate right or wrong answer?

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For example, Equal is more accurate for your chart, but I think Placidus is more accurate for me. Equal puts my Mars in 5th house, Venus in 6th house, and Jupiter in 10th house. While I won't say that these placements are necessarily wrong, I think that Mars in 4th house, Venus in 5th house, and Jupiter in 9th house fit me much better and these are my Placidus placements.

I think each house system could be a different manifestation of different people born at the same time, which would make the different house systems different ways for the same birth information to be expressed. For example, where I use Placidus, another child born at the same time on the same day at the same location as me may relate more to their Equal chart.

I don't like restricting myself to the use of just one house system, because Placidus may not be as accurate for certain people. Plus, I just like thinking of all the house systems as being right and just dependent on how the individual prefers to materialize their birth information on the physical plane.

posted June 03, 2017 12:49 PM            

But, I must admit equal house moves my Saturn into 10th, Pluto into 12th which are fairly resonant with my life.

I'm not big on house or even sign interpretations, preferring aspects, so it's no big deal to me really. Even so, I mentally pencil Pluto into 12th.

posted June 03, 2017 05:17 PM            

It is more important to ensure the accuracy of the Asc sign and degree of your chart than to experiment with house systems. Some alternate systems will seem to be more accurate because they accidentally correct a house placement for a planet or two.

'Equal' is not really a house system, because it is purely a contrivance for a flat wheel on paper and does not recognize the idiosyncrasies of Earth's imperfect shape and rotation.

Koch is more accurate, but not as accurate as Placidus.

'Whole sign' is also not really a house system, just replaces them with signs to avoid the issue.

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posted June 03, 2017 09:03 PM            

I feel totally thrown by this though! Placidus puts my sun in the 2nd house whereas I'm the least materialistic person I know.

And Venus in the 4th does not fit me at all either. It actually gives me a completely empty - and very small - 5th house, too.

Basically having a bit of an identity crisis right now! There's a lot of reading I need to do. The chances of my Asc being different enough to change all these house placements seems very unlikely as it's at 15 Aqua (with an accurate birth time).

I was born at 52N so not extremely north, and the impact is huge - two huge (60degree) houses, four super small houses. For those born where I live now, at 53.45N the impact is insane - four massive houses and six tiny ones (15-17 degrees).

posted June 04, 2017 04:52 AM            

In mine, I have Gemini duplicated on the 4th and 5th cusps which could compensate a little for sun moving from the 3rd to the 2nd house, and Venus in Gemini moving from the 5th to the 4th - the duplication could explain the massive Gemini influence over my chart.

posted June 07, 2017 12:54 AM              

Watch all the energy rings:

We have the sun's yearly path. This is the eclpitic.

The sun has a daily path around our local horizon. This is usually about 10-15 degrees off the ecliptic path.

Then we have the whole horizon around us, making a perfect ring.

Then the Equator, Which is a energy ring created by our planet spinning in one exact line eternally.

posted June 07, 2017 08:18 AM            

you can confirm it by checking the transits to the house cusps (in placidus system)

the place on earth which you were born in was no coincidence; as a matter of fact it is purely karmic and thus the intercepted houses (if there are any according to placidus) and different house cusps which only the placidus system yields, and makes your chart and therefore your life events a whole lot different from that of a person born at the exact same moment and a different place only miles away from but along the same latitude as yours

Both equal and whole sign shouldn't be used for predictions and in many cases natal chart interpretations, because they're more of an experimental system than a scientifically accurate one

posted June 07, 2017 08:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Stellia:
Hmm. Thanks for the links and insight Kannon, apologies for not picking up the previous threads.

I feel totally thrown by this though! Placidus puts my sun in the 2nd house whereas I'm the least materialistic person I know.

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And it puts Jupiter in that house in my chart, but I have never been prosperous materially, nor am I materialistic.

Be sure you're not relying on cook book interpretations of pop-astro that say how you 'should' be based on a single placement.

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And Venus in the 4th does not fit me at all either. It actually gives me a completely empty - and very small - 5th house, too.

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Small houses are normal at your latitude of birth.

Some artists and athletes have empty 5th houses, but have factors elsewhere that make up for it (like Asc and/or declinations aspects).

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Basically having a bit of an identity crisis right now! There's a lot of reading I need to do. The chances of my Asc being different enough to change all these house placements seems very unlikely as it's at 15 Aqua (with an accurate birth time).

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If your belief in what astrological concepts you've learned so far puts you into an identity crisis then fault the concepts, not what you know organically about yourself.

As to birth time accuracy all of us who have a specific time only know that a particular time was recorded, not that it is accurate. I'll assume that it is pretty accurate, but that is only a likelihood, particularly since it was recorded in a 15-minute increment.

Most recorded birth times do not produce exactly accurate house cusps. For starters, times recorded to the minute of clock time gauge only 1/4° of zodiac on average, which leaves some cuspy situations unresolved. Additionally, most Ascendants suggested by recorded time of birth are off by several degrees until corrected. Mine was off by 2°, my wife's by 5°. I could go on and on especially with client's charts.

That is why I say that an accurate Asc degree comes before switching house systems for various placements. Houses are an advanced layer of astrological information that usually requires the insights needed to calibrate the chart to an accurate Asc. 99% of astrologers do not know how to do that.

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. Back in the days before astrologers were using computers to calculate everything for them, the so-called equal house system allowed for astrologers to make a living more easily by simply super-imposing such house lines very quickly so that they'd spend far less time calculating and more time interpreting, seeing people for readings. It's the microwave oven of astrology, purely for convenience, but not good for your chart.

posted June 08, 2017 06:51 AM            

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Originally posted by florence:
PS just noticed you are in Yorkshire - so am I so that's helpful info on the latitudes, which I havent take into account

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posted June 08, 2017 07:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
As to birth time accuracy all of us who have a specific time only know that a [b]particular time was recorded, not that it is accurate. I'll assume that it is pretty accurate, but that is only a likelihood, particularly since it was recorded in a 15-minute increment.

Most recorded birth times do not produce exactly accurate house cusps. For starters, times recorded to the minute of clock time gauge only 1/4° of zodiac on average, which leaves some cuspy situations unresolved. Additionally, most Ascendants suggested by recorded time of birth are off by several degrees until corrected. Mine was off by 2°, my wife's by 5°. I could go on and on especially with client's charts.

That is why I say that an accurate Asc degree comes before switching house systems for various placements. Houses are an advanced layer of astrological information that usually requires the insights needed to calibrate the chart to an accurate Asc. 99% of astrologers do not know how to do that.

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This is really interesting and not something I fully understood before.

I keep finding 'new' information in the placidus chart and it is throwing me completely, like mercury in the first... previously this was in my second, and that felt like a better fit. House of values - communication is such a critical part of my life. It has been my income stream my entire life, my sense of self-worth and value systems are usually built in mercurial ways, the area of life I add genuine value is through communication.

Interestingly, this is fairly close to the Placidus cusp, and on a brief play with alternate birthtimes, an adjustment of 15 minutes earlier was enough to jump it back into the second - this is a shift of 6degrees, placing mercury almost exactly on the 2nd house cusp.