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rorrr
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posted August 24, 2017 05:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rorrr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Scorpio Venus, and I get cuh-raaaaaaazy jealous. Like even just *looking* I'm like, "you b*stard!!! How dare you!!!!"

And I do think Scorpio Moon has intense trust issues so they can perhaps be possessive (is that the right adjective)? But I'm not sure if they also get the intense jealousy of Scorp Venus.

What do you think?

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posted August 24, 2017 06:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Claudine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I am both - possessive and jealous. But sometimes I can't define what I am actually feeling

Moon conj Pluto in Scorpio opposite Venus

It's really hard being with me and me being with someone I love =_=

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posted August 24, 2017 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by rorrr:
I have a Scorpio Venus, and I get cuh-raaaaaaazy jealous. Like even just *looking* I'm like, "you b*stard!!! How dare you!!!!"

And I do think Scorpio Moon has intense trust issues so they can perhaps be possessive (is that the right adjective)? But I'm not sure if they also get the intense jealousy of Scorp Venus.

What do you think?


Mmmm good question!! The first thing one would do is look at the nature of the two planets themselves first. The Moon, and Venus. The Moon in and of itself is your deepest core...or the you that emerges when things are safe...or are not. Having said that, Venus is what you like, tastes, how you love etc. A short way of looking at it is Moon is what you NEED and Venus is what you LIKE. Looking at the difference between the two planets, one would conclude that the Moon is a deeper and more internally driven part of ourselves than Venus.

Now to answer your question taking the fact that the Moon in general is a deeper part of ourselves than Venus, the conclusion that a Scorpio Moon is INFINITELY more jealous and deeper than a Scorpio Venus would be likely. I should also say that Pluto aspects to planets are stronger than the sign in the planet. For instance if you have Venus in Scorpio it could be in the 9th house and is modified by that house placement, verses Pluto Conjunct Venus in which your energy is more contained and pure than just a Scorpio Venus. The same goes with Scorpio Moon verses Moon Conjunct Pluto.

The reason Scorpio Moon/Moon Pluto is deeper is because they will respond to EVERYTHING (and are themselves deeply feeling at their core) in the fashion of Scorpio. Their entire lives, not just in the realm of romance, likes, or dislikes is defined by Pluto to their Moon. And because this is the Moon, it is operating on an unconscious basis. This is in stark contrast to Venus in Scorpio or Venus Pluto. You are Plutonian ONLY in regards to things Venusian...meaning having jealously or etc is only when you are in love or a relationship. A Scorpio Moon or Pluto Moon won't need the relationship to be jealous or intense. That is just how they are.

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posted August 24, 2017 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon--in general but Venus, more specifically when it comes to love, my Friend.

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posted August 24, 2017 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My vote is Venus. She has an evil
quality like the Queen in Snow
White. Venus is Vanity. Moon is
more nurturing.

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posted August 24, 2017 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquagembaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Definitely Scorpio Moon.

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posted August 24, 2017 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon in Scorpio.

Jealousy is an emotion. The moon rules emotions.

The Scorpio moon is most likely to act out, even in cases where they just like you and no relationship has been established.

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posted August 24, 2017 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for diamondbaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would say Scorpio Moon. Scorpio Moon's emotions run deeper.

Anyway, both planets are pretty uncomfortable in Scorpio - Moon is in fall and Venus is in detriment. Very challenging placements in my opinion. Moon in the 8th house and Venus in the 8th house is not a walk in the park either.

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posted August 24, 2017 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Moon--in general but Venus, more specifically when it comes to love, my Friend.


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posted August 24, 2017 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will add that men with venus in scorpio are not jealous ime but attract possessive jealous women.

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posted August 24, 2017 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually my observations are female scorpios are very jealous but not male Scorpios.. Weird huh.... Maybe bc scorpio is a female sign perhaps lol

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posted August 25, 2017 03:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for colorful butterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Actually my observations are female scorpios are very jealous but not male Scorpios.. Weird huh.... Maybe bc scorpio is a female sign perhaps lol

Male Scorpios are extremely jealous that I know, never really dated one though.

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posted August 25, 2017 04:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 25, 2017 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpio Moon definitely.

Venus is more of an expression, rather than something you feel (as someone else pointed out).

One of my girlfriend's with a Sag Moon and Scorpio Venus, and while she is no walk in the park to be in a relationship with, deep down she is very free-spirited. She is very content to be single, travel the world, and enjoy her independent lifestyle. Her Scorpio Venus comes out to play more when she is intimately involved with someone, but doesn't necessarily affect her everyday life. She is very intense and gets attached very quickly and very well scares some men off, but she doesn't let jealousy get in the way of her core values.

My other girlfriend is similar, with an Aqua Moon and Aries Venus in the 8th. She is very attached to her boyfriend, but is actually incredibly progressive when it comes to love matters. While she is very much in love and very committed to her boyfriend, she has said on more than one occasion that if she ever caught him cheating on her that she would remain very level-headed about the whole thing because "life happens."

To me, as a Scorpio Moon, these ideals just don't compute. There are very few things in this world I fear more than being cheated on by a significant other. It would be like death, to be honest.

So that in a way summarizes it, where the Venus would be more of a style, but the Moon really LIVES it.

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posted August 25, 2017 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Claudine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by margym0o:

To me, as a Scorpio Moon, these ideals just don't compute. There are very few things in this world I fear more than being cheated on by a significant other. It would be like death, to be honest.



Same for me. I just thought about how I am scared of being lied to and betrayal and cheating yesterday. Sounds unbearable. Even thoughts about this happening are painful.

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posted August 25, 2017 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by colorful butterfly:
Male Scorpios are extremely jealous that I know, never really dated one though.

That has not been my experience. My ex who was in love with me and we nearly got engaged was not the jealous type and he has Sun conjunct Uranus in Scorpio with Mars in Sagittarius out of bounds at the galactic center.

The guy I am seeing right now is very in love with me and definitely not the jealous type at all has sun conjunct venus exact in Scorpio with Mercury conjunct Pluto in Scorpio and mars in Gemini, plus Moon in aries so he has sun, mercury, venus and pluto in scorpio, 4 scorpio placements. He is very intense though like a true scorpio and has said it will sever his heart to lose me, that it will destroy him, that he wants to have me always in his life even if it is as a friend. He has said also very uncharacteristic scorpio things to me like he would forgive me anything. Add he is not possessive or jealous. I don't plan to take him for granted and will not hurt him. He seems to have the good qualities I like about scorpio.

This guy I dated for a month who was a scorpio who I kept breaking up with was not jealous either and neither of the other scorpios I just had fun with.

Now with female scorpios I see more of that definitely, my female scorpio clients have a strong fear of betrayal, is like they are always on the lookout for it.

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posted August 25, 2017 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by margym0o:
Scorpio Moon definitely.

Venus is more of an expression, rather than something you feel (as someone else pointed out).

One of my girlfriend's with a Sag Moon and Scorpio Venus, and while she is no walk in the park to be in a relationship with, deep down she is very free-spirited. She is very content to be single, travel the world, and enjoy her independent lifestyle. Her Scorpio Venus comes out to play more when she is intimately involved with someone, but doesn't necessarily affect her everyday life. She is very intense and gets attached very quickly and very well scares some men off, but she doesn't let jealousy get in the way of her core values.

My other girlfriend is similar, with an Aqua Moon and Aries Venus in the 8th. She is very attached to her boyfriend, but is actually incredibly progressive when it comes to love matters. While she is very much in love and very committed to her boyfriend, she has said on more than one occasion that if she ever caught him cheating on her that she would remain very level-headed about the whole thing because "life happens."

To me, as a Scorpio Moon, these ideals just don't compute. There are very few things in this world I fear more than being cheated on by a significant other. It would be like death, to be honest.

So that in a way summarizes it, where the Venus would be more of a style, but the Moon really LIVES it.


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posted August 25, 2017 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by rorrr:
I have a Scorpio Venus, and I get cuh-raaaaaaazy jealous. Like even just *looking* I'm like, "you b*stard!!! How dare you!!!!"

And I do think Scorpio Moon has intense trust issues so they can perhaps be possessive (is that the right adjective)? But I'm not sure if they also get the intense jealousy of Scorp Venus.

What do you think?


IME Taurus is more jealous! and Leo! and Cancer!

What is your sun sign? Do you have any Leo, Taurus or Cancer in your chart!?

TBF Cancer's jealousy comes more from "I don't want to lose you" bc cancer will put up with cheating bc they value security more, its hard to explain. Like cancer is jealous for very different reasons to Leo. Leo wants to be worshiped and the idea their partner desiring someone else more than them drives them crazy so they can be very jealous but ofcourse anyone can change and outgrow such tendencies.

Now Taurus is jealous bc they really are possessive as hell LOL. They don't like sharing, it drives them crazy the idea of sharing. Taurus may win the jealousy award even over Leo tbh.

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posted August 25, 2017 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think they are almost even, both moon and venus in scorpio. Same sign means they share same traits, but only in a different place.

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posted August 25, 2017 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I think they are almost even, both moon and venus in scorpio. Same sign means they share same traits, but only in a different place.

I gotta respectfully disagree. Because they aren't the same thing at all, one is what you fundamentally are, verses the other being what you like and value. It's like saying liking money and being rich are the same thing. Obviously they aren't. They share the same traits (money), but one has an actual shaped experience of wealth, verses the other who has a more hypothetical reverence for it. The individual who likes money may have an idea of what being rich means, but when it really comes down to it, only a rich person truly knows what it is like. I liken that to the Moon verses Venus debate.

Secondly, I've seen a few people post about Scorpio males not being jealous etc. We have to remember that while Scorpio is indeed a Water sign, they do have the ability to separate emotion from sex. They also don't fall for (or get emotionally involved/attached to) every single person they get involved with. This is all Water sign individuals. There seems to be a general thought that Water influenced people are indiscriminately possessive and emotional about everyone. Or that they fall helplessly in deep intense love with everyone that they get involved with or like. Nope that is not the case, just for people who touch their emotions (or they feel strongly for better or worse). So regarding that Scorpio woman or man who doesn't seem to be jealous, before you assume he or she isn't jealous...question if he or she is jealous about other people, and look at their behavior with other people. And you'll prolly get your answer.

I say this as I have witnessed a non jealous and possessive Scorpio with Aquarius Moon and Mars (with Mercury/Venus in Scorpio Conjunct Pluto) be very open (he was poly and open etc with some of his exes) with every women he got involved with. Including an ex fiancee (who I introduced him to at a mixer). He admitted he loved each woman deeply, but meets his now wife (who is a sorority sister of mine and his ex fiancee's...saw her at a formal of ours while he was the date of his then fiancee)...and bam the idea of her with anyone else, paying attention to anyone else etc...causes him to lose his crap. It took him 4 years of dating to propose to his ex...it took him a year to propose and less than a year after to marry his now wife. So don't underestimate the intensity of Scorpio when they know you are the one or feel VERY VERY deeply for.

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posted August 25, 2017 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like I said my ex was in love with me and so is the scorpio I am seeing now and neither is the jealous type (being in love does not equal automatically been jealous).

Both were emotionally attached and very attracted to me but neither the jealous type. Like I said scorpio males associate acting jealous as a weakness and as childish behavior.

I could be suppppper into someone and not feel jealous, I completely outgrew that about me and find it a waste of time and energy. I feel confident in what I have to offer and who is with me will be with me and are free to go when they want, I am not losing my peace of mind over jealousy stuff lol sorry, life is too short.

...you can make the decision to let that part of you die and be reborn to a strong confident you that knows you will be fine no matter what.

You can be the insecure scorpio or the confident one that thinks jealousy is silly and a waste of energy.

BTW the scorpio I am seeing now only has sex if he feels an emotional and spiritual connection with the person. Ofcourse scorpios can have sex without emotion, any sign including water signs is capable of this. Some people realize at some point that this is not what they like and make a decision to only have sex with people they have a deep emotional connection with. Sun in cancer is a lot less likely to have casual sex though, I have noticed that.

Jealousy is so unattractive and when you have evolved to a certain point you do not fall victim of this. When you have confronted your fears, have build up your emotional resilience and know your worth you don't fall into that trap.

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posted August 25, 2017 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a difference between having jealousy issues, been the jealous type and just normal jealousy everyone experiences to a natural healthy level occasionally.

Like the guy I am seeing would get jealous if I felt in love with someone else but not if I am hanging out with a guy friend. Like there is natural jealousy everyone experiences and there is pathological.

When jealousy is unhealthy it consumes you, is an obsession, you are always worrying about it.

You could argue that if I felt in love with someone else what he would feel is extreme pain, not jealousy.

Jealousy is when you get caught up on this other person that the person you love is supposedly attracted to.

My focus would not be on the other person but on that I am losing them and the pain of not seeing them again if that is how it plays out.

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posted August 25, 2017 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought the OP try to discuss about jealousy department thing between moon and venus in Scorpio.

And I think both placement share the same "jealous" tendency trait, I am not saying the same level they have.

I think they are almost even as we need to consider all of their placement because I'm thinking if I compare:

A, has moon in Scorpio, but the other personal planets are heavy with air or fire and a lot of uranus contact;

Between

B, has Venus in scorpio, but has moon in cancer or taurus or leo, and personal planet heavy with water or earth, with a lot of aspect to Pluto hard aspect.

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posted August 31, 2017 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These clinicians treat individuals who suffer from disorders that are similar to delusional disorder–jealous type, such as morbid jealousy, pathological jealousy, conjugal paranoia, and Othello syndrome, yet these diagnostic categories are not represented in the DSM-IV-TR diagnosis of delusional disorder–jealous type.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jclp.20442/abstract

Delusional disorder–jealous type is a new diagnostic category in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR; American Psychiatric Association, 2000) in which delusions concerning a partner's infidelity must be present. Therefore, patients who experience a jealousy disorder, but do not experience delusions will not fit the diagnostic criteria. Using a database of 398 case histories of jealousy disorders reported in the literature from 1940–2002, we examined the percentage of these cases that met the diagnostic criteria for delusional disorder–jealous type. Only 4% of the cases met all diagnostic criteria. This is the first systematic comparison of the prevalence of these disorders. The results provide evidence that the diagnostic criteria are not inclusive, as most individuals suffering with a jealousy disorder were excluded from the diagnosis. © 2008 Wiley Periodicals, Inc. J Clin Psychol 64: 1–12, 2008.

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posted August 31, 2017 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GrlyGirl200:
I gotta respectfully disagree. Because they aren't the same thing at all, one is what you fundamentally are, verses the other being what you like and value. It's like saying liking money and being rich are the same thing. Obviously they aren't. They share the same traits (money), but one has an actual shaped experience of wealth, verses the other who has a more hypothetical reverence for it. The individual who likes money may have an idea of what being rich means, but when it really comes down to it, only a rich person truly knows what it is like. I liken that to the Moon verses Venus debate.

Secondly, I've seen a few people post about Scorpio males not being jealous etc. We have to remember that while Scorpio is indeed a Water sign, they do have the ability to separate emotion from sex. They also don't fall for (or get emotionally involved/attached to) every single person they get involved with. This is all Water sign individuals. There seems to be a general thought that Water influenced people are indiscriminately possessive and emotional about everyone. Or that they fall helplessly in deep intense love with everyone that they get involved with or like. Nope that is not the case, just for people who touch their emotions (or they feel strongly for better or worse). So regarding that Scorpio woman or man who doesn't seem to be jealous, before you assume he or she isn't jealous...question if he or she is jealous about other people, and look at their behavior with other people. And you'll prolly get your answer.

I say this as I have witnessed a non jealous and possessive Scorpio with Aquarius Moon and Mars (with Mercury/Venus in Scorpio Conjunct Pluto) be very open (he was poly and open etc with some of his exes) with every women he got involved with. Including an ex fiancee (who I introduced him to at a mixer). He admitted he loved each woman deeply, but meets his now wife (who is a sorority sister of mine and his ex fiancee's...saw her at a formal of ours while he was the date of his then fiancee)...and bam the idea of her with anyone else, paying attention to anyone else etc...causes him to lose his crap. It took him 4 years of dating to propose to his ex...it took him a year to propose and less than a year after to marry his now wife. So don't underestimate the intensity of Scorpio when they know you are the one or feel VERY VERY deeply for.


Gotta agree with all that ^

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