posted August 27, 2017 12:16 PM            

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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
Tarot cards are not good. Just like Ouiji boards and psychics. You're not getting your information from God, so you don't know where that information is coming from. There's a lot of bad things out there pretending to be something else telling you whatever you want to hear.

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posted August 27, 2017 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:

Thank you for being level-headed, Teasel.

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I really wish I saw and felt the magic that you did. I haven't felt that for years. I used to like some of these authors, but after a while, I wondered why the angels never wanted Doreen to teach her courses in a nice building in Ohio, rather than at a resort in Hawaii. In 2008, I received emails from spiritual authors, ordering me to vote for Obama, to save the world. I planned to, but I loathed them for using their platform to scare people.

posted August 27, 2017 05:28 PM            

As to what Doreen has decided, people are free to change their minds related to things they've done previously. That does not mean their previous (or current) behaviors are phony. I don't question the authenticity of her 'born again' experience. That's not just cynical, but I think it is also disrespectful. (Revealing some success-envy?)

I had a 'born again' experience two weeks before my 9th birthday. Just because I am no longer a church going Christian does not mean I now see it as bogus. It was a spiritual growth experience to be had based on what I understood and had experienced thus far.

Doreen's decision about what is appropriate for her is simply that, not an inference about the rightness or wrongness of divination or tarot. Dependency upon it is probably more an issue for than the availability of it as a useful tool.

Christianity was grounded (in Paul's day) in the concept of grace, in which everything is permissible, but not everything is beneficial (appropriate for each person or each circumstance) ...
everything is allowed, but "I will not be brought under the power of any." It is a concept Christians and Christianity would do well to re-learn.

People have to make their own judgments for themselves about the 'power' portion of this concept, similarly to the principle of 'testing the spirits.' That doesn't arrive at a blanket judgment of the thing or tool for everyone, because again all things are permissible. Making a decision but attaching to it a judgment of others who have not made the same decision nets you nothing in my opinion, since the fundamental lesson is nonjudgment -- Compassion.

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posted August 27, 2017 07:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
The birth data mirage29 gave is also found at http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Doreen_Virtue, "birth time source: Doreen Virtue's office manager."

As to what Doreen has decided, people are free to change their minds related to things they've done previously. That does not mean their previous (or current) behaviors are phony. I don't question the authenticity of her 'born again' experience. That's not just cynical, but I think it is also disrespectful. (Revealing some success-envy?)

I had a 'born again' experience two weeks before my 9th birthday. Just because I am no longer a church going Christian does not mean I now see it as bogus. It was a spiritual growth experience to be had based on what I understood and had experienced thus far.

Doreen's decision about what is [b]appropriate for her is simply that, not an inference about the rightness or wrongness of divination or tarot. Dependency upon it is probably more an issue for than the availability of it as a useful tool.

Christianity was grounded (in Paul's day) in the concept of grace, in which everything is permissible, but not everything is beneficial (appropriate for each person or each circumstance) ...
everything is allowed, but "I will not be brought under the power of any." It is a concept Christians and Christianity would do well to re-learn.

People have to make their own judgments for themselves about the 'power' portion of this concept, similarly to the principle of 'testing the spirits.' That doesn't arrive at a blanket judgment of the thing or tool for everyone, because again all things are permissible. Making a decision but attaching to it a judgment of others who have not made the same decision nets you nothing in my opinion, since the fundamental lesson is nonjudgment -- Compassion.

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No success envy, thanks. That's a rather passive-aggressive comment. It isn't just her - I've been cynical over hay house in general. I have my reasons, I'm just not going into them.

posted August 27, 2017 07:44 PM            

However, this usage of the term 'tarot' doesn't actually refer to genuine tarot, which is a particular kind of deck that includes the same exact cards and names, but only varying a bit in the art (depending on the artist). That means the major arcana, and the ranking cards assigned to the four elements.

She's using oracle cards in videos like this. "Tarot" has become a generic term that a lot of new decks have been called even if they have none of the arcana and ranking cards given to each of the four elements. Those are oracle decks.

posted August 27, 2017 10:28 PM            

There is no requirement to do tarot to be on this Forum.

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posted August 27, 2017 10:55 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I actually heard about this a while back, it isn't new. I used to read her books, and own one or two of her decks, but went off them, and her - Hayhouse, in general.

I'm not sure what to think. Some are cynical, and think she ran out of things to write about. That she needed a new direction. I know someone who suddenly became religious after her fiance died unexpectedly, though. She's now living somewhere in Africa, helping children and mothers - helping them to get medical care, and growing food. She used to love halloween, but now considers it to be an evil holiday.

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I considered the fact that this might be legitimate.

posted August 28, 2017 02:53 AM            

The above (which I won't quote in case it vanishes) reminds me of an old joke in the neopagan community:

Whats the difference between a pagan gathering and new age lecture? About $200 (Many variations of this exist. Another common one is "about 2 decimal points," meaning where a pagan pays $2 the new ager will pay $200.)

I just looked up some prices for lectures by Doreen Virtue, and holy crap! That's way more than $200!

posted August 28, 2017 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]What are you doing on this forum?

There is no requirement to do tarot to be on this Forum.

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posted August 28, 2017 12:59 PM            

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posted August 28, 2017 01:24 PM            

I use astrology to gain more insight on my personality not to predict events. If people want to do tarot cards and use psychics, it's their choice. I'm not criticizing them for doing so.

posted August 28, 2017 04:57 PM            

I have notice in the past years i have psychics abilities(very minimum they require a lot of nurturing) and skilled at reading tarot. i feel peoples energies and rarely wrong about my feelings i pick up about people. I plan on growing my gifts for myself and I have never used them for any negative reasons. Of course there are people who use their gift for negative reason. not necessarily evil but negative in some way.

people live better lives if they stay in their LANE. if tarot, psychics and etc are not apart of your belief journey good for you just don't call them evil and bad without solid proof and reasoning.

posted August 28, 2017 05:06 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ What are those not so nice things ?

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Well, I think the idea is that sometimes spirits or other manifestations that don't have a person's highest interest in mind may also be doing the answering. It isn't always certain where some of the information could be coming from. It's dangerous to trust an answer just because it is given.

However, I personally feel like there are times where we are able to get answers that are useful as well. It really depends on a lot of things in my personal opinion. But there's always that chance of being swayed.

posted September 13, 2017 04:30 PM            

Calmly, soothingly....
You might notice ((if you think about it)) that the "originating" letter TO the AngelTherapy org (prompting the $222 donation) has been omitted from the captured image.

Words of the 1st party/Sender is NOT revealed nor included by her or him...

ONE-sided conversation.

This leaves it up to our own Good Senses to put ourselves in the place of the 2nd Party/Recipient ... to imagine 'what kind of raw words(?)' 2nd party read, that could have evoked such a STRONG hurt inside of them as they read it, -- and yes tried to remain civil and nice, but had a ~snipe side energy to it?

Astrology-wise, there had BEEN some side-swipe VERBAL hot angry energies.
Maybe BOTH of them had that EXTRA FIERY astro-juice working within?

Also,

It's NOT a note from Doreen herself--
as seen in wording in the body of the text. Doreen is mentioned, as 3rd party.

This could have been a staff member's or a volunteer's 'momentary' human hurt-reaction TO the correspondence person that provoked (evoked) this response.

The 2nd party might have mentioned she is under special HARDSHIP?

In "spiritual business practitioners" -- having Compassion is NOT just for one-side, while ignoring the self-responsibility of the other party?

(2nd party individual was possibly in money-making spiritual-business themselves, maybe even an angel therapist? We are NOT given ALL details of this situation.) ...

PLUS,

Have they disregard the Honor Code to Do No Harm?

All involved in that circle of people are in the middle of a melt-down, and Hurt. ...

We need to not flame, but practice a more balanced understanding? A compassionate viewpoint for BOTH?

"We're only human... you're allowed to make mistakes."

posted September 14, 2017 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
It is not for YOU to judge who should be here, Rosalind.

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posted September 14, 2017 10:48 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
... The above (which I won't quote in case it vanishes) reminds me of an old joke in the neopagan community:

What's the difference between a pagan gathering and new age lecture?
About $200
(Many variations of this exist.
Another common one is
"about 2 decimal points,"
meaning
where a pagan pays $2 the new ager will pay $200.)

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posted September 16, 2017 03:21 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Hey Rosalind? ... How long have you been practicing tarot? Do you have a favorite deck to use?

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posted September 16, 2017 03:14 PM            

That's a REALLY long time ....
You must be very proficient and grounded in it.

That's what counts.