posted March 20, 2018 01:44 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I do like how you communicate.

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posted March 20, 2018 01:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Thank you It's Venus trine Moon in 3rd conjunct Ic that adds sensitivity and wit to my writing.

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posted March 20, 2018 12:28 PM            

There was more of an emphasis on higher quality education, and encouragement to those with identified potential to attend college for FURTHERING their actual 'education' and exploring 'who you are'.

Now, the emphasis is swinging against being broadly Higher Educated, and more towards (college as) 'job' and vocational-training. (This 'job' training used to fall on the responsibility of the company that hired you.)

It used to be that from gaining a broader and higher-education, you would have gone into more depth, learning subjects barely-introduced in high-school.

In those first college years, you explored yourself, fine-tuned your interests, identified talents, and prepared to enter a 'field' of interest.

THEN, upon graduation--
You entered a chosen field.
HIRED into a job with a company, then THAT company would 'train you' for an actual position, and you'd 'grow' with them into that field.

Now, seems they want to 'skip' steps.
Take you straight out of high-school with the pressure to be 'ready' for a job, pre-trained. The notion of higher-education as Valuable, is now morphed into 'vocational and industrial training'. Making worker-bees.

The love of Higher Learning seems subtly to be more discouraged and frowned upon.

What you are NOT being subject and exposed to is limiting you.

Teachers-- play an important part is 'waking up' students. A bad teacher for a year, can frustrate and HOLD YOU BACK.....

The 'climate' in the classroom is crucial.
Many students go to school coming out of adverse really-bad home and neighborhood environments. They are not adequately 'cared for'. Many are depressed, angry, even on drugs (or, their parents are addicts).

Violence in schools is a 'sickness' now--
Students are needing to form alliances that deal with coarse BULLIES. They have the subconscious subtle background-concern ever-present over whether their peer is going to pull out a knife or a gun, and act-out violently-- against their other or themselves??

You have to have right-settings in order to encourage learning.

A Good TEACHER (in a great classroom of students who WANT to learn) 'can' be a Life Saver.

I had teachers who would have written 'the word of the day' up on the chalkboard. I could hardly wait to find out what that "new word" meant.

Once I advanced into high school, there were textbooks provided us, dedicated to improving our vocabulary.

For a few years, we were on a program of studying one chapter-lesson a week, and getting tested on it.

I spent my summers reading---
I loved detective stories, history, biographies, science!!

I'd relish straight-feeding from open encyclopedias and dictionaries I'd have in my room "for fun" --- because I LOVED learning. I would often prefer reading 'true' stories about people's lives, rather than fiction.

I would pour HOURS UPON HOURS looking up "words" in the thesaurus, and explored how to use the 'tools' of other word-helps-- interested in learning the smallest tiniest nuances of words.

Did you know that Alaskans have 50 different words to describe snow?

Then-- in the mid 1970's, things seemed to change....

It started not to be 'cool' to have (and use) a good vocabulary.

I remembered having to "dumb down" my speech in order to "fit it" with particular 'sets of people'-- and yet, at the same time, be expected to switch-it-back on, when it came to writing my papers in college. Felt like driving with one foot on the gas, the other on the brake.

TRANSITS
There are some transits that go on for a long time. When Neptune started to travel through my H3, then gradually came into a square my Sun, it was as though I "couldn't think". I couldn't retrieve 'my words', my once-excellent vocabulary. As Neptune began to slowly end it's square to my SUN (now in a separating orb of ~7 degrees), I felt like I 'got my mind back'??

I have NO "real" idea if that transit alone was the problem. Nep is around half way through my H3, releasing its square to my 7+ Gem Sun, and soon to begin the breath and nuances of influence coming into a square to my 27+ Mercury Gemini.

Maybe, it has taught me that 'thinking' and being brainy feels 'free and exhilarating'... but learning how to 'feel' things, how to stop my mind, and be 'in' my Heart-- able to relate to another person's pain-- provides The Balance that Life needs and requires, to be Whole individuals.

I'm just 'glad' to have had some clarity back in my life-- even if it might be only for a while? I hope not.

Have a Mercury-SouthNode Gemini 27+, w cj to Mars Cancer 2+,
trine H3 cusp Aquarius 25+,
trine H10 Neptune-rx Libra 25+.

I love love love to devour Learning!

That's why I love astrology! *grin*
It's a 'thinking' system, a vocabulary.
Learning to have much more precision, and at the same time, learn to follow instincts and hunches.

posted March 20, 2018 03:21 PM            

Heh, I remember when I had to tone down my vocabulary (which was impressive in large part due to all the reading I did) and my grammar when I first got online. My mentor at the time had majored in English back in the 1960s and thought that online communication demanded more precision than usual as all the subtle cues were missing. As I was technically a school dropout (working on getting my GED at the time) I worked hard so that I wouldn't be dismissed by adults online, only to find them intimidated. One actually thought I was a college professor! So I toned it down before it became an ingrained habit.

I'd later meet one I interacted with online when I was 18, but she was shocked when I stepped off the bus in a black trench coat, combat boots, studs, and my hair in 2 metallic artificial colors. She said she had imagined me as a blonde nerd girl with glasses carrying books to prepare me for college.

Going back to my mentor, she had gained some cynicism of even her contemporaries. The most amazing was when she was an editor of academic papers, and she said even some for the hard sciences were gobbledygook, so she broke the sentences down and diagrammed them which showed a lot of it to be little more than word salad. She finally took what she found to the other editors who told her to leave it alone. Later the academicians were pretending it all made sense, either reading their own meaning into the gobbledygook or not about to admit that they didn't understand it.

I think my favorite college story she shared with me was how an instructor liked to yell at the class, and at one point said the college students in the Soviet Union did a lot better. My mentor barely refrained from blurting out, "That's because they have better instructors."

posted March 20, 2018 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:

TRANSITS
There are some transits that go on for a long time. When Neptune started to travel through my H3, then gradually came into a square my Sun, it was as though I "couldn't think". I couldn't retrieve 'my words', my once-excellent vocabulary. As Neptune began to slowly end it's square to my SUN (now in a separating orb of ~7 degrees), I felt like I 'got my mind back'??

I have NO "real" idea if that transit alone was the problem. Nep is around half way through my H3, releasing its square to my 7+ Gem Sun, and soon to begin the breath and nuances of influence coming into a square to my 27+ Mercury Gemini.

Maybe, it has taught me that 'thinking' and being brainy feels 'free and exhilarating'... but learning how to 'feel' things, how to stop my mind, and be 'in' my Heart-- able to relate to another person's pain-- provides The Balance that Life needs and requires, to be Whole individuals.

I'm just 'glad' to have had some clarity back in my life-- even if it might be only for a while? I hope not.

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OMGeee! That’s exactly how I feel... I cannot think. My thoughts are there. I just cannot latch onto them long enough to articulate anything. It’s there but inaccessible. Neptune is in my 10th house in a separating square to my 12th House chart ruler (Mercury - 7degrees Gemini). This is going to be a long-term thing for me too since Neptune is in an applying square to my 16 degrees Gemini ascendant and my 17 degrees Gemini sun.

posted March 20, 2018 04:43 PM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
OMGeee! That’s exactly how I feel... I cannot think. My thoughts are there. I just cannot latch onto them long enough to articulate anything. It’s there but inaccessible.
Neptune is in my 10th house in a separating square to my 12th House chart ruler (Mercury - 7degrees Gemini).
This is going to be a long-term thing for me too since Neptune will eventually move into a square with my 16 degrees Gemini ascendant and my 17 degrees Gemini sun.

“Stop my mind”, “be in my heart” < this gives me lots to “think” about... Lol.

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Love my Gemmies!!

Honestly.. It's truly a humbling experience, when you're used to being organized and very 'data' oriented and 'correct'...

It can become the pits for self-confidence, if you have relied on seeing your self, your "identity", through the lens of being an intellectual. You might get flustered and demoralized. Temptation to not be happy with 'who' you are, where you are. Potential to feel 'lost' for a while... especially when it's so long-term.

Great (uncomfortable) experience remembering yourself as being 'smart' and not-so-much being able to demonstrate that. Can be quite embarrassing... Yet!-- you get the experience to know yourself through another way of being.

Might be good for inspiration, or imaginative intuitive creative projects?

Just like when a person becomes 'blind', your 'other senses' become keener and more-honed as a result.

You're in your square to ASC/DESC ? ... *hug!!!!* laughing. Yep. Gone through that one too!
Gemini DESC 11+. Still not done.
Several of us here have been moving through that one, together.

Support each other!! with liberal amounts of wiggle-room and forgiveness.

{{You might enjoy the movie, Awakenings... I left a clip from the end of it, above. Watch the movie as though it were a LONGGGG transit!! haha Take Care! }}

posted March 20, 2018 05:00 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Did you know that Alaskans have 50 different words to describe snow?

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That’s interesting!

Cognitive linguistics explores the question, “can thoughts exist without language?” Of course, we can conjure images of things, but what if we didn’t have verbal symbols for them? Would we be able to conceptualize our experiences beyond the mental image? If so, within what limits?

I live in an area colonized by the US. Puritans came to enlighten the population and in the whole enlightenment/colonization process, our language was banned. I read essays from a book called “Decolonizing the Mind” by Ngũgĩ wa Thiong'o. He describes language as the foundation of culture and identity. When language is prohibited, culture and identity suffers.

In my language, we use possessive terms that describes our relationship to things. So, different modifiers are used when referencing “my” love and “my” pencil. Both words mean “my”, but each term describes a very different sentiment. There are values in my culture that with one word encompasses so much. It cannot be translated into another language. The Greeks too had different words to describe variations of things. “Love” is one of them.

I can understand having 50 terms for same thing. I imagine it describes different qualities, forms or states of snow lending a deeper understanding of it. Only to the untrained eye is snow, snow. Cognitive linguistics recognizes that “linguistic knowledge involves not just knowledge of the language, but knowledge of the world as mediated by the language.” It acknowledges language as a unique experience of the environment.

posted March 20, 2018 05:15 PM            

I think its a mercury thing. Conrad Black (Virgo) said he enjoyed matching wits with his Gemini father.

Black ended up being a great journalist in the end.

Its also to what context, sometimes its a technical term because there is no other way to describe it.

I was on campus today and I bumped into an old math major he's graduated now. I joked and said to him did you solve the millennium problem yet?.

Now if I said "divide and conquer" its meaning would be interpreted differently from a Humanities vs Sci/Math/Engineer type person.

The humanities type person would think of colonization were as Sci/Math/Engineer type person would think of it in terms of splinting your tasks.

Same term and word just used differently.

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As for colleges today, I'd prefer the community colleges that aren't so obsessed with money that cut more and more corners while jacking up prices more and more. The ONLY benefit I'd see going to someplace like Harvard is for making connections if you intended to make a name for yourself in finance or politics. If I were going to put that kind of money out (having no interest in that kind of Mammon worship) then I'd go to a foreign school.

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If I'm in the math center there is a Physics major from the US I talk to.

I asked him what the hell are you doing here? "Your from the US and your here? There's way better universities in Canada then here such as UofT, McGill, Waterloo, etc".

What he tells me is exactly as you describe, he says its way cheaper to do his degree here.

He says community colleges are cheaper but the value of education is discouraging.

Then the Harvard, MIT types are to pompous and entitled.

Even with international students fees applied, he saves about $10,000 a year here.

posted March 20, 2018 05:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
In all honesty, I do find it attractive when a man has a wider vocabulary. I, myself, think that it IS a form of higher intellect. But what I’m really getting at here is the fact that some people use such words to make themselves appear more impressive than they actually are...

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I know how you feel. The way I look at it is if its not used in the right context and people are listening, its a check mark off that persons credibility.

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posted March 20, 2018 05:52 PM            

Some people are not good at grammar and bc you are good at grammar it does not mean you are smarter, it just means you are better at grammar. The same thing with having a bigger vocabulary, it doesn't mean you are superior or smarter, it means you know more words.

I think some people who are good at grammar or have larger vocabularies let it get into their heads and it gives them a sense of superiority. In reality in some areas they may be less intelligent than the person who is not great at grammar or has a smaller vocabulary. I know a lot of people with great grammar that are not deep thinkers and care a lot about what people think.

Like in political debates pointing out the other person has poor grammar doesn't automatically mean they are stupid and you are smarter and are right about that political view you are debating over, it means your grammar is better and you care more about appearing educated so you put extra effort into learning more words and knowing your grammar well.

I am more interested in someone's ability to look at all sides and see the value in each side and not be biased, a person's ability to read others, a person's ability to see beneath the surface and carry on a conversation.

posted March 20, 2018 06:10 PM            

I LIKE BIG WORDS AND I CANNOT LIE
SESQUIPEDALIANS YOU CAN'T DENY
WHEN THOSE SYLLABLES FIT THROUGH MY ITTY BITTY SLIT
AND I MOUTH THEM BIG THANGS IN YOUR FACE
YOU GET SPRUNG, WANNA PULL IN CLOSER
'CAUSE MY CRANIUM'S STUFFED FAR FULLER
WITH THE IMPLICATIONS OF INFINITY
YOU'RE HOOKED AND YOU WANNA GET WITH ME

... but oh well.

posted March 20, 2018 06:15 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Some people are not good at grammar and bc you are good at grammar it does not mean you are smarter, it just means you are better at grammar. The same thing with having a bigger vocabulary, it doesn't mean you are superior or smarter, it means you know more words.

I think some people who are good at grammar or have larger vocabularies let it get into their heads and it gives them a sense of superiority. In reality in some areas they may be less intelligent than the person who is not great at grammar or has a smaller vocabulary. I know a lot of people with great grammar that are not deep thinkers and care a lot about what people think.

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I think Neptune square my Gem points is about appreciating intelligence in all its forms. In the enneagram, I’m a 5. The type that identifies the most with knowledge and academia. I agree with the point you’re trying to make here.

American society seems to value academic intelligence above all others, but it takes so much more to be successful. It’s a shame we dont incentivize developing a holistic brand of intelligence instead.

Naturalist (nature smart)
Musical (sound smart)
Logical-mathematical (number/reasoning smart)
Existential (life smart)
Interpersonal (people smart)
Bodily-kinesthetic (body smart)
Linguistic (word smart)
Intra-personal (self smart)
Spatial (picture smart)

posted March 20, 2018 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
And there I was getting all geared up to...

I LIKE BIG WORDS AND I CANNOT LIE
SESQUIPEDALIANS YOU CAN'T DENY
WHEN THOSE SYLLABLES FIT THROUGH MY ITTY BITTY SLIT
AND I MOUTH THEM BIG THANGS IN YOUR FACE
YOU GET SPRUNG, WANNA PULL IN CLOSER
'CAUSE MY CRANIUM'S STUFFED FAR FULLER
WITH THE IMPLICATIONS OF INFINITY
YOU'RE HOOKED AND YOU WANNA GET WITH ME

... but oh well.

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posted March 20, 2018 06:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Sir Writes-a-lot even had to learn a new word to write that. Can you guess which one?

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posted March 20, 2018 06:34 PM            

Sequipedalian: (of a word) polysyllabic; long;
characterized by long words; long-winded.

posted March 20, 2018 07:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
And there I was getting all geared up to...

I LIKE BIG WORDS AND I CANNOT LIE
SESQUIPEDALIANS YOU CAN'T DENY
WHEN THOSE SYLLABLES FIT THROUGH MY ITTY BITTY SLIT
AND I MOUTH THEM BIG THANGS IN YOUR FACE
YOU GET SPRUNG, WANNA PULL IN CLOSER
'CAUSE MY CRANIUM'S STUFFED FAR FULLER
WITH THE IMPLICATIONS OF INFINITY
YOU'RE HOOKED AND YOU WANNA GET WITH ME

... but oh well.

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posted March 20, 2018 07:03 PM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
I think Neptune square my Gem points is about appreciating intelligence in all its forms. In the enneagram, I’m a 5. The type that identifies the most with knowledge and academia. I agree with the point you’re trying to make here.

American society seems to value academic intelligence above all others, but it takes so much more to be successful. It’s a shame we dont incentivize developing a holistic brand of intelligence instead.

Naturalist (nature smart)
Musical (sound smart)
Logical-mathematical (number/reasoning smart)
Existential (life smart)
Interpersonal (people smart)
Bodily-kinesthetic (body smart)
Linguistic (word smart)
Intra-personal (self smart)
Spatial (picture smart)

Like Mirage says, “What you are NOT being subject and exposed to is limiting you.” Society just wants “worker-bees”.

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posted March 20, 2018 07:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Yep I decided to google "a big word for big words" and there it was.

[b]Sequipedalian: (of a word) polysyllabic; long;
characterized by long words; long-winded.

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posted March 20, 2018 07:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Yep I decided to google "a big word for big words" and there it was.

[b]Sequipedalian: (of a word) polysyllabic; long;
characterized by long words; long-winded.

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posted March 20, 2018 07:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
I’m gonna keep that in my vocabulary so that I can p*ss off anyone who tries to use big words just to show off next time 👌🏻

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posted March 20, 2018 08:43 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Love my Gemmies!!

Honestly.. It's truly a humbling experience, when you're used to being organized and very 'data' oriented and 'correct'...

It can become the pits for self-confidence, if you have relied on seeing your self, your "identity", through the lens of being an intellectual. You might get flustered and demoralized. Temptation to not be happy with 'who' you are, where you are. Potential to feel 'lost' for a while... especially when it's so long-term.

Great (uncomfortable) experience remembering yourself as being 'smart' and not-so-much being able to demonstrate that. Can be quite embarrassing... Yet!-- you get the experience to know yourself through another way of being.

Might be good for inspiration, or imaginative intuitive creative projects?

Just like when a person becomes 'blind', your 'other senses' become keener and more-honed as a result.

You're in your square to ASC/DESC ? ... *hug!!!!* laughing. Yep. Gone through that one too!
Gemini DESC 11+. Still not done.
Several of us here have been moving through that one, together.

Support each other!! with liberal amounts of wiggle-room and forgiveness.

{{You might enjoy the movie, Awakenings... I left a clip from the end of it, above. Watch the movie as though it were a LONGGGG transit!! haha Take Care! }}

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awakenings

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“Humbling” is a scary word since it’s likely, humiliation is involved. Embarrassment? Yes! Some disappointment too.

It’s been quite the journey.

As much as I thought I treated people with dignity and respect, I realized I had been inadvertently dismissive by holding to my perspectives the way I did. I gave too much consideration to being “right” and not enough to personal rights.

A while ago, a member here mentioned something to me that changed my approach. She taught me something about boundaries and privacy. Saturn traveling through my 5th conjuncting my Mars, Saturn, then Pluto, trining my gem placements and squaring my moon prepared me for the Neptune squares.

As you’re probably aware (since you have similar gem placements), Saturn just moved out of conjunction with my DSC and out of opposition with my sun. Throughout this Saturn transit, I changed in ways that made members of my in-group uncomfortable. What I was confronted with was not my own ego, but the ego of someone close to me. Someone, who in many ways, was just like me. I saw how ugly I could be. I was accused of being fake, jealous, stupid(!), lazy, passive-aggressive and sabotaging. He was projecting. When those accusations couldn’t be substantiated, I was threatened. Who I became seemed to have conflicted so deeply with everything he was that he couldn’t stand his own reflection. I was what he was trying to be and in my presence, he couldn’t pretend anymore. Disillusionment ensued. He’s not happy with who he is or where he is. What’s scary is, I could have easily been all of those things had I not admitted to myself early on that my perceptions was incomplete - had I not humbled myself and did the work. I’m still a little scared by what’s to come. Neptune square sun is a dissolution of the ego and my ego is still very much intact.

This person is a sadge, so he’s going through much of the same experiences. He’s just not dealing with them as well, so I understand that it takes “liberal amounts of wiggle-room and forgiveness.” I don’t ever want to be struggling with myself in this way.