posted June 01, 2018 01:46 AM            

my father (libra venus and mercury - mercury rules his 7th)

my sister (libra moon)

my fiance (libra moon)

an ex (libra moon)

best friend (libra sun)

my mother is a pretty humble virgo but she has venus in libra and can be very superficial, snobby and judgemental when it comes to interacting with people

they're all quick to remind you that you haven't dressed well enough, or aren't behaving in a polite and nice enough matter

posted June 01, 2018 02:43 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
the snobbiest people I know in my life:

my father (libra venus and mercury - mercury rules his 7th)

my sister (libra moon)

my fiance (libra moon)

an ex (libra moon)

best friend (libra sun)

my mother is a pretty humble virgo but she has venus in libra and can be very superficial, snobby and judgemental when it comes to interacting with people

they're all quick to remind you that you haven't dressed well enough, or aren't behaving in a polite and nice enough matter

the other day, when I brought up some possibility of voluntary and charity work (my pisces moon sometimes wants that really bad), my fiance said he didn't wish for me to pursue that and he would rather send money to orphans or poor people than be around them!

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It's one thing to like nice clothing. It's a whole other thing to not want to be around people who you can't understand.

posted June 01, 2018 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
the snobbiest people I know in my life:

my father (libra venus and mercury - mercury rules his 7th)

my sister (libra moon)

my fiance (libra moon)

an ex (libra moon)

best friend (libra sun)

my mother is a pretty humble virgo but she has venus in libra and can be very superficial, snobby and judgemental when it comes to interacting with people

they're all quick to remind you that you haven't dressed well enough, or aren't behaving in a polite and nice enough matter

the other day, when I brought up some possibility of voluntary and charity work (my pisces moon sometimes wants that really bad), my fiance said he didn't wish for me to pursue that and he would rather send money to orphans or poor people than be around them!

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posted June 01, 2018 03:22 PM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
I think a major problem with libras is that they think they are always being "fair" and "equal" when they say things like that. Everything they say and do, to them, is fair and equal and justified and balanced so if anyone argues back then they are "clearly" in the wrong and not the Libra. Your Libra fiance probably thought, "Well if I'm giving these poor people my hard earned money, why should I have to be around them? Aren't I already being fair enough? If anything, aren't I being MORE than fair? Since I'm not asking them for anything in return?" and THAT is why people think Libras can be snobby as hell. It's either their way or the highway when it comes to logic...They don't want a nice healthy debate like the other air signs, they'll tell you why they feel you're wrong or you're right and after that you either agree with them or disagree with them and they'll walk off holding their little tight nose high no matter which way you chose...

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It depends on what they're thinking, and what their intentions are.

If they're busy, and can't get around to going to the place with the homeless, then there is nothing wrong with that. But if they judge those people inside their heads, then.....

Or if they're physically injured, or have a disability, and can't go. Or if they have bad mental health issues, and can't go, then there's nothing wrong with that.

Also, sometimes maybe some people have had bad experiences with the homeless and/or mentally ill, and are scared, and want to stay away. That's a pretty good reason.

But some reasons are pretty snotty, I mean, some people just lack empathy and/or sympathy.

posted June 01, 2018 03:27 PM            

with all due respect, but I find that Capricorn is the second most 'snobby' sign, or at least can come off snobby.

posted June 01, 2018 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
@capricorncheriscty,

with all due respect, but I find that Capricorn is the second most 'snobby' sign, or at least can come off snobby.

I'm sure you're not snotty, but if I were to make a list, Capricorn would be second on the list of 'most snobby'.

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posted June 01, 2018 03:52 PM            

I also helped those charities didn't, like someone dangerously sick with swine flu. Her little girl was frightened (and with good reason) who was forbidden from calling 911 (I have to agree with the woman that if she'd gone to the hospital she'd be placed in a waiting area for hours where she'd probably puke and crap all over herself along with many others, and in the end all the hospital could do would help her maintain her fluids and charge a hefty fee for doing almost nothing, but she gambled with her life staying home). Everyone she called told her to call 911 if she was that worried, but as she was forbidden to she wasn't sure what to do...as I'd done a babysitting type job for the mother more than once the girl found my number on her mom's phone and called me, and I came over when no one else would, taking care of the place, among other things. That's more than I bet the vast majority of people reading this would do for a near stranger despite caring so much more than me about being "spiritual" and altruistic.

Perhaps worth noting is that when I was a runaway and managed to get food and other stuff for myself and the krew of kids I joined, I also shared with an older heroin junkie we called Pappy due to his age. Since he didn't seem to have anyone and was hiding from the law (he was in violation of parole), and pretty much stuck in the abandoned building we were squatting in, I felt for him and shared with him as I did my krew/street family, and that despite how shabby and smelly he was. There was probably no one who cared as much when he died as I did. I felt for the injustices he had known in his life.

I also once complimented a guy for having a major credit card at the same age as me (22, IIRC), saying I didn't know anyone my age with a credit card like that, and he said in a snobby way that I had the wrong friends, and I told him I thought not, as I wasn't going to listen to him return my compliment with him insulting my friends. I was complimenting him for his achievement, not his money, but there are other things people can achieve as well.

That's just off the top of my head. While I don't doubt the girl whose name is too long's account (though I wonder how many aren't included who also have similar placements), that's not inclusive by any means, and it's overly simplistic to think so. I didn't get the birthdays of the other volunteers I've worked with but I doubt I was the only Libra.

While I'm at it, I'll mention that I know Capricorns who can be big into charity and volunteering, and my impression is that they're sincere, not doing it for personal gain, because they see community service as important.

I can also point out that plenty of signs around me saw me as a sucker, though I don't think I was. (I was by no means a Mother Theresa or rending my garments, but I sure did a lot more than most people, and showed less snobbiness to people who have it hard than the majority of society.)

Really, I get the impression most people on LL come from middle class and higher given how much talk there is on celebrities, fashions, the high society parties with fancy brand names and the like many here go to. And I don't doubt most people at that level look down on the poor and homeless regardless of their sign, and that the exceptions who don't also come in many signs. But if any of you want to share the astro-charts of those you volunteer with helping the homeless then I'd be interested.

posted June 01, 2018 04:50 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Just for the record, I spent years volunteering at a food bank until it shut down, and volunteered at other places as well. I'm not a Christian, but unlike the other Christians there I got some homeless people some free Bibles and helped them organize a Bible study (as the churches were too snotty to them, even when loftily preaching to them or giving a little charity, not to include the other volunteers). I've volunteered in other places as well, including a Children's Summer Reading program when all 20 volunteers for it flaked (at least I got some good karma from that as the reference I earned gained me some good paying jobs that I enjoy a few years later).

I also helped those charities didn't, like someone dangerously sick with swine flu. Her little girl was frightened (and with good reason) who was forbidden from calling 911 (I have to agree with the woman that if she'd gone to the hospital she'd be placed in a waiting area for hours where she'd probably puke and crap all over herself along with many others, and in the end all the hospital could do would help her maintain her fluids and charge a hefty fee for doing almost nothing, but she gambled with her life staying home). Everyone she called told her to call 911 if she was that worried, but as she was forbidden to she wasn't sure what to do...as I'd done a babysitting type job for the mother more than once the girl found my number on her mom's phone and called me, and I came over when no one else would, taking care of the place, among other things. That's more than I bet the vast majority of people reading this would do for a near stranger despite caring so much more than me about being "spiritual" and altruistic.

Perhaps worth noting is that when I was a runaway and managed to get food and other stuff for myself and the krew of kids I joined, I also shared with an older heroin junkie we called Pappy due to his age. Since he didn't seem to have anyone and was hiding from the law (he was in violation of parole), and pretty much stuck in the abandoned building we were squatting in, I felt for him and shared with him as I did my krew/street family, and that despite how shabby and smelly he was. There was probably no one who cared as much when he died as I did. I felt for the injustices he had known in his life.

I also once complimented a guy for having a major credit card at the same age as me (22, IIRC), saying I didn't know anyone my age with a credit card like that, and he said in a snobby way that I had the wrong friends, and I told him I thought not, as I wasn't going to listen to him return my compliment with him insulting my friends. I was complimenting him for his achievement, not his money, but there are other things people can achieve as well.

That's just off the top of my head. While I don't doubt the girl whose name is too long's account (though I wonder how many aren't included who also have similar placements), that's not inclusive by any means, and it's overly simplistic to think so. I didn't get the birthdays of the other volunteers I've worked with but I doubt I was the only Libra.

While I'm at it, I'll mention that I know Capricorns who can be big into charity and volunteering, and my impression is that they're sincere, not doing it for personal gain, because they see community service as important.

I can also point out that plenty of signs around me saw me as a sucker, though I don't think I was. (I was by no means a Mother Theresa or rending my garments, but I sure did a lot more than most people, and showed less snobbiness to people who have it hard than the majority of society.)

Really, I get the impression most people on LL come from middle class and higher given how much talk there is on celebrities, fashions, the high society parties with fancy brand names and the like many here go to. And I don't doubt most people at that level look down on the poor and homeless regardless of their sign, and that the exceptions who don't also come in many signs. But if any of you want to share the astro-charts of those you volunteer with helping the homeless then I'd be interested.

Btw, while I'm at it, I recall seeing some LL post about how illegal aliens were using the streets of San Diego as a bathroom (so that bleaching was required because of disease outbreaks). That's BS. People were using the streets that way and bleaching was necessary, true, but it was all races, because the homeless were being cut off from public restrooms even in public parks among other methods used to try to make them move on (so the disease outbreak was a type of karma, though the poor suffered the most from it). I know that because I did some volunteer work at the time and pay attention whereas the LL poster no doubt just got some fake news or urban myth worthy email being passed around. If only it was one sun sign who were the ******** , but the truth of it is, most people are ******** to the poor, especially the homeless poor, and that means most sun (and other) signs are.

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Thanks, VERY interesting!

I'm middle class, thank you. But my family was poor, like $40 close to being without zero cents/dollars.

Perhaps that's why I have a bit more sympathy for the poor than some people.

I honestly kind of believe that humans are imperfect, Libra, or not. Sometimes we need to experience something to 'get' it. I do understand that it's hard for someone to understand the feelings of being poor if they haven't been poor yet, so I try not to be too hard on those that haven't had the experience yet.

It's hard for someone, perhaps VERY HARD, for humans to know what it's like to be mentally ill, if they had never experienced it!

I don't see people as black and white, good or bad. Even snobs can teach me something, and perhaps they just lack experience, or are young. We don't have to excuse bad behavior/attitudes, Libra, or not. But we don't have to demonize anybody, either.

posted June 02, 2018 03:35 AM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
I think a major problem with libras is that they think they are always being "fair" and "equal" when they say things like that. Everything they say and do, to them, is fair and equal and justified and balanced so if anyone argues back then they are "clearly" in the wrong and not the Libra. Your Libra fiance probably thought, "Well if I'm giving these poor people my hard earned money, why should I have to be around them? Aren't I already being fair enough? If anything, aren't I being MORE than fair? Since I'm not asking them for anything in return?" and THAT is why people think Libras can be snobby as hell. It's either their way or the highway when it comes to logic...They don't want a nice healthy debate like the other air signs, they'll tell you why they feel you're wrong or you're right and after that you either agree with them or disagree with them and they'll walk off holding their little tight nose high no matter which way you chose...

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posted June 02, 2018 01:35 PM            

But since I responded above, I thought I should add a little about genuinely snobby Librans. It's hard, because I don't know that many (the one I did experience wasn't someone I got close to, though we both rented a room in the same flophouse for awhile). Many are famous which doesn't help as people who seek fame/notoriety and/or power tend to be narcissistic anyway (and even when they're not, their confidence can easily come off as speaking down to others when it's no such thing).

Offhand, I could see Vladimir Putin (who Hillary Clinton bluntly described as arrogant) and Judge Judy as that way. I gotta cut judges, cops, and the like some slack on this as even if they don't go in with an attitude, it would have to be all too easy to look down on others when you're often required to deal with the lowest common denominator of people and others on their worst days (and that includes some of the plaintiffs that take others to court), and so I can see why someone who is a judge a long time can develop a certain amount of contempt for people in court (and maybe in general), which means I'm not sure Judge Judy counts (btw, she also has a Pisces moon, IIRC). And yet a lot of her putting people in their place reminds me of how Putin tends to do the same (though Putin is typically a lot calmer). They can even make plenty of good points while doing so, like whenever US reporters challenge Putin on Russian expansion he calmly reminds them of US military bases all over the world (and contrast Russian military spending vs US military spending), and then how much of what they do serves US interests anyway in combating terrorism. They can certainly be taken down a peg, but anyone trying had better do their homework first because simple emotional manipulation or blustering isn't going to impress or intimidate them (nor the Librans in the audience), and they'll tear right through it, probably with ease.

And there is a similar flavor and tone to me as when Gandhi (flawed as he was, I don't see him as arrogant) tended to rebut his critics.

Aleister Crowley is a divisive figure, with some revering him and others seeing him as one of the most evil people to have ever lived. I personally see him as more of a showman (which his Leo ASC with Aries NN enhanced) combined with his Pisces moon that added some mystical and outright fantastical imagery to his persona, and his Scorpio Mercury square Leo Uranus causing him to spout and write things that were flamboyantly shocking and easily misconstrued. My own impression is that he was narcissistic, though it's possible he was just having the time of his life being a troll which served as a smokescreen to his true self. But in any case, I would not use him to showcase a "typical Libra," though maybe "Libra on heroin."

Bonnie Parker actually strikes me as Libran in personality despite her affair with Clyde Barrow, but I don't detect much arrogance in her. In her own mind, she was probably a rebel standing against an unjust society as that's how violent Librans tend to think. But it's hard to see a cold blooded killer as someone not possessed of at least a little arrogance.

My impression of Eleanor Roosevelt is one filled with quiet confidence who was idealistic, though her confidence could make others feel insecure which in turn might be mistaken as arrogance in her, as would her avoidance of many social affairs that were not mandatory (which could simply be because her Scales were easily unbalanced). Sometimes it's hard to say because Libra can be an iron fist in a velvet glove, but I get the impression of a confident yet humble woman who was more than a match for her equally impressive husband.

posted June 02, 2018 02:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
@capricorncheriscty,

with all due respect, but I find that Capricorn is the second most 'snobby' sign, or at least can come off snobby.

I'm sure you're not snotty, but if I were to make a list, Capricorn would be second on the list of 'most snobby'.

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posted June 02, 2018 03:01 PM            

Bad Traits
Aries: hot headed
Taurus: rude and lazy
Gemini: pretentious, obnoxious about intellect, NOSY
Cancer: manipulative and whiny
Leo: attention *****
Virgo: terrible liar, deflects from problems, judgey
Libra: snobby and arrogant, stubborn in their fair mindset ("attack me I'll attack you" lol)
Scorpio: bitter and hateful, nosy and cruel with words
Sagittarius: deflects from serious issues, obnoxious about intellect
Capricorn: ruthless, petty, bitter
Aquarius: obnoxious about intellect, thinks they are more special than everyone else/everyone is boring and bland compared to them
Pisces: terrible liar, deflects from problems, delusional and talks behind your back frequently

Good traits:
Aries: ambitious and fun
Taurus: smarter than they get credit for, strong-willed
Gemini: very kind and helpful to people in need
Cancer: nice smiles and warm heart
Leo: confident and people-person, good at talking to everyone and anyone
Virgo: organized and careful, great cooks, good mannered and kind
Libra:
Scorpio: highly intelligent, very intuitive, has a good eye for everything, very funny
Sagittarius: book worm, people-person, ambitious
Capricorn: ambitious, mind's their business, diligent and studious
Aquarius: probably is very unique and special, hard-worker, very kind and very helpful, big smiles
Pisces: very kind, very helpful, very sweet and highly intelligent

posted June 03, 2018 11:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
A Libra let me sit at his table back in high school once.

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posted June 04, 2018 12:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
Lol you must’ve been one of the cool ones then.. jk
these people 🙄

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posted June 04, 2018 01:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Radium:
Libras go by the flow of society (others) not really what they want

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I would disagree

Libras have very high living standards...even those who weren't born into a rich family, always wish to get to be an elite one day, and enjoy all the luxuries of a top-class lifestyle

Libra would tell you that you should try not to interact with people from lower social classes, because they will "bring you down"

Libras enjoy being around others and having nice, healthy debates with intelligent and well-educated people

Libra is not like Pisces, who tends to lose its sense of identity with other people, and "go with the flow"

posted June 11, 2018 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
Me Snobby ?
Not really.
Every thing depend on time,place and person.
Yea, I want become rich, wealthy, famous person with high social status.
But,I do like many inferior ppl and I do hate many rich/high social status ppl.
Love or hate totally perspective for me.
It depends how a rich or socially inferior person treat me.

I have Saturn,Mars, Pluto and Vertex in Libra. http://imgur.com/Tgw6POI

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hahahah saying "socially inferior" is not helping your case but I know is a language/culture thing because you are from India.

posted June 11, 2018 08:59 PM            

Some can seem contradictory, as when Libra is indecisive, and yet can make iron-clad judgments they won't budge on (this is what makes them good judges, but can be a nasty shock to people who expect Libra to be easygoing who suddenly has a very firm opinion, possibly backed by indignation). When Libra DOES make up his or her mind, then it's usually after a lot of work, and doesn't appreciate when someone glibly brushes that effort aside to disagree just because one wants to, or through simple, shoddy reasoning (through granted arcane reasoning can be insidiously bad at times, and Libra not only rationalizes as everyone else, but tends to be better at it, which can be seen as a flaw).

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The books I've read pretty much go along with this. What I read on LL OTOH is quite different. A lot of times I read of what "Libra is like" on LL to realize that not only is that not me (sometimes the very opposite) but most to all Libras I know aren't like that either, nor did the books on astrology I read say the same thing as many on LL say. (Or alternately, virtually everyone is like that, not just Libra.)

Though it's not just Libra, I see this happening with many (maybe even all) signs and placements and it vexes me, mainly because I wonder if there are books that present an alternate perspective than the ones I read, or if it's just an overly simplistic view. (For example, since Libra isn't blustering, then Libra must be spineless. Since Libra needs to be color coordinated then Libra must be a slave to fashion--despite that a lot of fashion is NOT color coordinated, and I know Libras like me see people who need a fashion magazine to tell them how to dress as something like slaves to advertisers and superficiality, with the fashion industry often ignoring good fashion sense in the name of profit).

I do expect people to put an effort into their appearances (at least if they expect to socialize casually), though I make allowances for those who would have obvious difficulties due to circumstances or disability, but I'd prefer a well chosen mix of clothes from the thrift store (where I personally prefer to shop, altering clothes to my own design and preference) to garishly wealthy designs (or Lady Gaga). The one exception is where social circumstances demand it. As a general rule of thumb (with exceptions I'm skipping), one doesn't show up to church or formal job in dirty shirt and ripped jeams, but one doesn't wear one's Sunday best or work uniform to a rock concert or sports game. If one goes to a theme event (cosplay convention, Ren faire, theme party, etc) then go nuts (as long as it's in the spirit of the event). But I won't automatically dismiss someone or treat them unpleasantly just because they dressed in a way I think is inappropriate, and would consider it far more crass for someone else to do so (unless the dressing wrong was intended as deliberate disrespect for the event or host).

As for being wealthy...the thought of having so much to manage is exhausting to me (so much to keep coordinated for my inner Scales!). There'd be so much to keep in order, and hiring others to take care of it for me could be even more tiring. The only reason I'd want to be rich is if I needed top of the line security (as celebrities and politicians often need). (I no longer have the book that I read it in, but I recall reading the one that REQUIRED wealth to be happy was either a Scorpio sun-Cappie moon OR Cappie sun-Scorpio moon.)