posted September 06, 2018 06:57 PM            

I have 4 planets close to my sun, and it feels like I am dealing with alot of different internal personas.
I have had alot of psychological problems over the years, and found it really interessting when I recently started reading astrology. Because many of my inner personas had the characters of the planets, especially those conjunct my sun. I have had an internal fight inbetween them, with inner voices,, and my moon in pisces made them real.

I know it is common to relate to our planets vs personas, but I am wondering if you have any interessting to share with me on the subject.

I am interessted in the fragmentation we all carry within us , the different personas we have inside.
I also wanted to know your experience with your personas, in relation to your sun conjunction, or other aspects.

btw my sun 2' capricorn (4th house) is in conjuntion with mercury 3' (pallas 5') neptune 7',
and uranus 27'sagg , saturn 24'
..with chiron opposing in 25' gemini, and pandora 2' cancer

my moon is 2' pisces, and AC is 29' libra

posted September 06, 2018 07:14 PM            

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posted September 06, 2018 07:50 PM            

"Inner" is a keyword for the Moon. Moon in Pisces can work really beautifully or be very trying and difficult, depending on aspects and other factors.

Sun conjunct Mercury people tend to over-think things. Sun creates lots of force in the thinking and can over-heat the normally cooler nerve system.

You can link us to your chart if you like.

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posted September 06, 2018 11:52 PM            

You just found astrology?
b.25Dec1987?

How long have you been working with your parts now?

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I happened to just come across materials about clusters of planets in the same sign... even neighboring, as yours are in Sagittarius, next to your Capricorn.

You have to look at each planet in the cluster, and study that planet's strength or weaknesses within that zodiac sign. .. Then too, how well they 'feel' IN that sign, WITH their companions.

Yes, they have their preferences.
Study each planet in zodiac in a depth-way.
You'll find out which ones are happier and who's not.
Then look at the aspects with the other bodies outside the cluster.

This is more-advanced astrology though?

When planets are all crowded in like that, it can give you special unusual abilities too. I guess it's all in how you learn to identify and handle what's going on as transiting planets come in to energize your pack.

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Make sure you buy the book by Robert Hand, Planets in Transit.
- http://www.amazon.com/Planets-Transit-Life-Cycles-Living/dp/0924608269

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Anne Ortelee (astrologer) has an interesting approach to charts and transits. She calls it the 'pin-ball method'. You might want to look into that. Get what the "pattern" is for you.
- http://anneortelee.com/the-pinball-approach-to-understanding-your-natal-energy-flow/

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(article) Potentials and Contraindications of Therapeutic Astrology
by Greg Bogart, Ph.D
- http://cura.free.fr/xv/12bogart.html

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Good book--
- http://www.amazon.com/Astrology-Karma-Transformation-2nd-Ed/dp/0916360547

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Some videos you might like here--
Debra Silverman is an astrologer trained in psychotherapy.
- http://www.youtube.com/user/silvermanastrology/about

See her video collection under "Popular Uploads".
- http://www.youtube.com/user/silvermanastrology
Her website -- http://debrasilvermanastrology.com/

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Someone else http://www.youtube.com/user/DorothyMorgan

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Rick Levine, daily podcast
- www.stariq.com

~8888
I may have some other suggestions to add to a resource list for you, but I want to see your feedback here first.

Cluster planets... approach them like this??

(music) Training for Rach 3 (David Helfgott, movie Shine) [3:14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXTH0QIC1LE

posted September 07, 2018 06:00 AM            

I do agree that my moon in pisces made it all more complex. blurring my boundries to this dimention, to other dimentions,,, also making a web of illusions.
(i have experienced alot of difficult things that my neptun/pieces side wanted to escape from.)

I feel like I can talk to these aspects, (inner talk).
and I can sometimes also feel that a transit is happening, feks Pandora transitted my sun, and I knew it was her, without knowing that pandora was a asteroid.
also when Pluto came into my 4th house, a new "voice" entered my life.

thank you for sharing other aspects.
i find topic very this interessting , and I want to learn more. hoping some day I will work with other people in pain, and understanding the astrological aspect of the situation as well.

posted September 07, 2018 07:26 AM            

Wow, thank you so much!!
I will check out all those links

I found astrology 1.5 year ago, but I have been resting for 10 months, without internet. had a long break from learning and reading, so it felt like I had to start over again.

and yes, my birthday is 25.12.87

I have had a therapist for 13 years, but the first 9 was a bit chaotic.
diving deeper the last 3 years, with a more spiritual guide/therapist.

thank your tips. I will look more deeper into the planets involved. and their aspects. I have alot of trines and sextiles, so I should actually have some kind of flow. but I dont know enough about my aspects yet, just shallow knowledge.

I wanted to write clusters in the topic, but was afraid it would narrow in my answers to much . since I am curious of other aspects also.

I do feel that its also positive in many ways, as you say, in giving special abilities. When I am in balance with my moon, I can feel my other aspects working good together.
like my uranus sun conjunction gives me so many ideas, out of the box.
and my neptun skills help me feel into people and nature in this world and other beings in other worlds.
my saturn helps me dive deep into the mystical world and actually get some work done there.
....but then again, saturn and uranus can fight over stability and wanting new routines feks. lets go on a adventure says naptune and uranus, and saturn and cap sun is like naaaaah, I wanna be home and work on my self, wanna make it perfect.
... yea, the internal fight of who gets to decide the days outcome, controll the will.
I am working on making them a cooperating team, making myself whole.

could my litle aspected mars in scorpio go a bit wild? my intuition is leading me to heal him these days, I am working on a part inside me that keeps pushing and psuhing me, I am also very self critical.

looking forward to check out the psychotherapist/astrologer videos later today!

posted September 07, 2018 09:43 AM            

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posted September 07, 2018 09:55 AM            

You're emerging from the Saturn-Return, into that post-Saturn Return period, getting your bearings--
what was THAT???!! And now.. here you are!

Your Saturn Sagittarius and Uranus Sagittarius are on top of the 'Homing Signal' for the Cosmos-- Galactic Center. I personally know some pretty-mystical and very intuitive people with that placement.

Transiting Jupiter has been running through your first-house (basically, Scorpio!!), where you have VERY strong energies. Pluto AND Mars in Scorpio in the first house are very potent there. Not a whimpy energy at all. They have great depths, and great enabling power.

Yes those sextiles are opportunities. When you are able to hold these 'in your imagination hands', and learn these energies, you'll well-manage the reigns. All those energies as 'one working ensemble' together. Brought into self-subjection, and true humility, you'll work as one integrated and centered powerful way--

You'll be like David in that Rach 3 vid, playing and knowing those notes of your energies, each sequence, so well... without needing to pay such split and individual attention.

Just loving, and flowing your life from the Heart. Each part knowing instinctively what it's here to do in an important and well-woven, most-Beautiful way.

haha.. the Clusters. The professor in the vid (Saturn, you say), told him 'Learn the notes'.. then, forget them!! You hold them ALL with an intelligence that is beyond you.

You've got transiting Saturn examining your 'troops' and making certain each is tuned, taut, and taught.

Whole house signs drive me crazy!!
My mind was trying to imagine which 'houses' your planets are actually IN. But I guess it's a style. Depends on where and who you learn with-- study preferences. I like more details and precision (Placidus). Some people use Koch houses when they practice predictive work.

I'm a HUGE fan of asteroids, for sure.
Gotta have good filters and boundaries, and hold some of those meanings VERY very loosely.
.. If it feels harming in any way, then take a break from it. Walk away, breathe for a while. That pertains to all of astrology-world. Find who and what you personally resonate with, in a safe way, and hopefully positive way. {{ }}

With experience, you'll find your 'resonance'.
There are some teachers out in the UK and out of northwest US that I get newsletters from.

Here's a good basic book--
- http://www.demetra-george.com/resources/books

So... I can sense how very 'intelligent' you are. A seasoned person. *hats off to you*

In the older astrological community, there have been astrologers who practice (give groups, camps) in something they call "astro-theatre."

In those meetings, they are together and practice 'being' the voice of the planets FOR that person. They "act out" the chart!!

IF you are lucky and financially able to, I can imagine how that kind of seminar or camp could be a blessing to you, and how YOU would be a blessing to the members of a group, for sure!!!

I found this website that "talks" about this kind of astro-theatre. You might enjoy many pages of that site!!
Michael Bartlett
- http://www.coremichael.com/the-planets/

I know there are more groups than just his.

Each one of the persons I listed above, if contacted, hopefully would be able to respond and tell you how to find or connect to those kinds of astro-theatre groups and programs.

Are you in the USA presently?

posted September 07, 2018 02:31 PM            

Ami Anne :
thank you for the warm welcome and for the hints. and yes that is true, for me at least.

it helps hearing it from other, that it is an aspect causing this, so maybe it can become a more objective fact I can tell myself :P

Mirage29:
heh, yes that return has given me some challenges to grow on.
it went retrograde strait after it passed uranus. and it has gone over my sun, mercury and neptune the last months, both forward and retrograde,, and now a new round.
.... can say i've tamed that fish a bit this year :P

i have a friend and brother with their sun in the galactic center, and their heart is so big. greatful to have some of that in me.

I am looking forward to when I can be all of me , in a symphonie. hehe
love you comment on satrun examining the troops.
I like looking at the planets like a animated movie in my head, I already play astrodramas there. haha.
the astrologer I have gone to actually recently started having astro-drama classes, so Im looking forward to try it out. but thank you for mentioning it.

and also thanks for the info on mars pluto, I just started focusing on those two, in my healing of the masculine energy flow within me.

I use whole houses mostly because the astrologer I have gone to uses it, and because I read that it was best for the northern latitudes. but I also feel that koch has something to give me.
I will probably recognise myself in all of them, I do that easily. so I just chose that house system.
I will attach an example of placidus.

again thank you for your long and good feedbacks , and a big hearted thank you for your compliments. <3
I have the rest of the evening home now, and will check out all your links.
<3

posted September 07, 2018 02:59 PM            

1: a fairly prominent Pluto which has gotten me used to the darker aspects of life and also being able to have strength to build myself up from the ashtray.

posted September 08, 2018 04:29 PM            

thank you for your contribution Charlie.
heh. hope you figure out a way to balance the energies. its not easy going back and forth between the ends of light and dark.

I thought maybe I was bipolar for a while, actually got medication for it. but it was unbalanced energy (from different aspects... i think)
...but then again, we choose to reinkarnate into learnin from that path. I now see more of why I had to try out those aspects of life.

posted September 08, 2018 05:07 PM            

I have checked out most of your links now.
And I must say I found the pinball method realy interesting.
Have you tried it out?
Is there a thread here on LL about it? (I have some questions)
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I have sun and moon on a 2' degree. and mercury and venus on a 3'.
do you have any idea on how I read that?
do I see it as a cooperation happening at the same time?

I smiled when I looked at debra silverman.
she seems as a good woman.
really liked her video on initiations.
helped me get a better pic on the ego-soul drama.
wish I understood wich number I was, but faith sent me to some of them that spoke some lessons to my ego, and my perfectionist :P

i also liked the astro drama link. That way of thinking astrologially realy speaks to me. I have sent a mail to a astrolger now , asking her to set up new classes

have some links left to read, the long articles :P will give feedback , if I have comments, later.

posted September 09, 2018 12:22 AM            

Thank you for indulging me in providing a chart with your Placidus Houses. It's the system that works best for me.

Pinball method..
I had taken a workshop on it. Went to look at my document notefile and something had gone wrong with the hand-out they sent for electronic download with the class. Couldn't be retrieved. She provided a form, with columns and rows, and values/?instructions on those.
Let me dig through my papers for it in the next few days. Maybe I made a hardcopy?

When I thought about your question on the clusters, your conjunction sequence, it made me think of the 'sound-scopes' provided in chart selections at Astrodienst.
.. oh no.
I just looked for it.

I think they may have removed it from the chart offerings?

~Hey... I used to play with that.
Transits.
They gave tiny colorful musical-note glyphs running in a musical staff banner above, while in the sky circle below it, you could watch color-lines make triangles, squares, conjunctions, *cluster-configurations*!!!!

Each day's transit planet and angles/aspects had particular sounds. The dates would go by steadily, and played the cosmos as if it were a Player-Piano.

(music) "Mister Sandman" On A 1915 Fuehr & Stemmer Player Piano [1:52] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGWKF7w0ztU

I used to "play" the sounds of the next whole year, at the end of current year, to "listen" to what clashes or harmonies were ahead during the various months. You could adjust the speed, or the complexity of the chords by selecting (or de-selecting) aspects and planets.
You could speed it up, slow it down.
It's gone!!!!!
Unless?? they tucked it under some other name or tab.

If anyone else knows or is familiar with it, maybe they can tell us where it is?

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Your LL name
Some of the mythology was involved during the pre-christmas season in which you were born.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulder
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holda

Some of it involves hiding children,
hiding parts of oneself?

asteroid 872 Holda {for Huldra}

The asteroids you chose to use in your chart are part of the Pallas-Athene Medusa story too.

Medusa got the rare-raw end of that deal!! She had been 'the victim', then, turns out she gets "blamed" and punished for it??? Wha????? lol

Do you have the book Asteroid Goddesses,
by Demetra George and Douglas Bloch?
Gave the link in posts above...

The mythology stories tell all kinds of psychological stories. It's one of my favorite astrology books.

Read about Pallas Athene--
starts pg80/Chapter 6.
pg90
Pallas as significator of the Healing Arts (including mental health, as well as physical)--
She rules gestalt therapy, transactional analysis,
and 'psychodrama'!!

You and I both have our Ceres in the sign of Capricorn, one degree apart.
Mine is 25.03 rx, in H2.
-- something we have to be mindful of is 'performing' issues, where you equate feeling worthy or deserving of love, with how 'well' you feel you performed for the outside world.

I saw you mention that you want to help people. I try to do that too...

posted September 09, 2018 05:04 AM            

heh... very interessting what you pointed out about huldra.
she is more just one of the nature-beings for me. i have heard the tales of her luring males to her , and we never see them again. but the link about hulda was new to me.
funny, i checked it up and Hulda is opposite my sun! :P

i dont have that book, i only have two basic books about astrology,yet.
but will check my library.

i love those asteroids.
i follow a norwegian astrologer who also has this godessview of them, and posts meditations so we can meet them and integrate their qualities <3
thank you for specifying about Pallas. she is close to my sun and I need to understand her more.
and i agree on the ceres theme you descibed!
but we shall overcome, and help in healing.
when i have healed my biggest wound, i will able to see where my healing speciality is. looking forward to that.

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sending love to your inner child <3
sounds like a rough childhood. problbly made you strong, and wanting to heal others. you sound like and experienced woman. and you have already put alot of your heart into answering me, long and soulfilled. do you give as much to your self, as you give to others?
anyway,,, i am glad you found a path that helped you <3 astrology really is a gateway into knowing ourselves.

its good to get the wounds up in the light, so much pain in carrying them within us.
i love shadow work, mostly because it frees me. it hurts, but afterwards it such a relife.

posted September 09, 2018 08:42 AM            

sometimes LL 'glitches' or 'hiccups' and materials edited out (or in) disappear and reappear again

might even *poof*
(groups of conversations sometimes disappear altogether)

sorry you read that about my early life
thank you for reading it
was good (for me) to wrap clear words around it

thank you for your kind comment

hope you find the information you are searching for

posted September 09, 2018 08:01 PM            

I jumped on this thread because I have bipolar disorder, and I've always wondered what astrological placements and aspects contributes to that. So here are my thoughts...

I've suspected Neptune being conjunct my Ascendant by 1 degree has at least SOMETHING to do with it. Also Uranus conjunct by 5 degrees, both in my 1st house. My personality is unpredictable (Uranus) and hard to define (Neptune).

I can vouch for the Mercury square Uranus aspect causing mental health issues, I'm a walking example! My Mercury and Uranus square is a very wide orb however, of 10 degrees, so some of you might not even consider it. But astro.com does!

Mercury is also 10 degrees from my Sun, a loose conjunction. I do overthink things, and I'm a Libra Sun/Mercury/Venus/NN, so I go back and forth a lot. (Also - Libra is the balancing scales... Bipolar's mission in healing is to achieve balance... I think there's a huge connection there!)

I think also my Moon conjunct Jupiter by 3 degrees has an impact on my emotional state. Jupiter amplifies my moods, so whatever I feel is magnified for sure.

So it's definitely not just one thing... it's a combination of aspects and signs that contribute to mental illness.

posted September 10, 2018 07:48 AM            

i can understand those aspects give bipolar symptoms!

posted September 10, 2018 01:45 PM            

I think having bipolar and understanding it astrologically and psychologically has really helped me to manage the symptoms for sure. I can predict when a manic state will hit me by watching Jupiter and Mars especially. My last manic phase happened right around my Mars return (a time when you have lots of energy), the peak being when transiting Mars hit my natal Pluto.

Interestingly, Saturn and Mars were both retrograding over natal planets of mine, Saturn retrograding over my Moon/Jupiter conjunction, and Mars retrograding over my Pluto.

Jupiter was square my Moon as well.
Uranus was conjunct my South Node, and square my Neptune/Ascendant conjunction, which contributed to the delusions I think. I was totally insane at that moment.
Neptune was also trine my Midheaven exactly and square my Moon by 1 degree. Pluto was square my Mercury.