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angel4845
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posted October 02, 2018 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What aspects, signs, houses, rulers, asteroids etc. you guys think would indicate Bipolar disorder in the natal chart?? just curious to see some opinions.

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posted October 02, 2018 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Only the possibility of such a thing can be seen. It depends on your genetics and soul development how you handle the influences of outer planets or stressful Mars-Jupiter aspects. There is no one set of factors that guarantees it in the birth chart.

Major aspects by Uranus, Neptune, etc to the luminaries could be the main factors that trigger the development of mental health issues in one person, but in another person they trigger greater psychic development.

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posted October 02, 2018 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 02, 2018 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My friend who was diagnosed with Bipolar at an early age has:

Sun in Aquarius
Moon trine Uranus
Mercury sextile Uranus
Venus conjunct Uranus
Mars trine Uranus
Jupiter square Uranus***(perhaps this accounts for the manic or hypomanic episodes)
Saturn conjunct Uranus***(perhaps this accounts for the depressive episodes)

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posted October 03, 2018 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would reckon Moon with outer planetary influence of Neptune,Pluto and Uranus involved.

Bipolar is extremes in emotions. And for some, the diagnosis can be linked to childhood environmental patterns(Moon)

I would count the Ic therein too as I find it the sensitive point of inner well being in any chart.

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posted October 03, 2018 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Kannon, Hypatia and Aries23Degrees.

I agree its only a possibility but i' am just so curous (mars conjunct mercury in the 3rd/IC) lol.

Thanks for sending me the chart Hypatia!

I was actually thinking of the same thing the moon/ic connected with pluto, uranus and neptune @ aries23degrees. What's funny about this lol.....is that i have sun conjunct neptune/uranus in capricorn and moon in aries square uranus/neptune/north node in the 4th house. I do not have Bipolar disease buuuut i am moody but not mentally ill....HOWEVER I do consider myself an EMPATH, so kannon what you said about psychic development with the aspects you mentioned and i have natally i certainly agree!!! i also have mediumship abilities as well.

I started buying crystals and i saged them and sleep with them now to ground myself because i tend to catch other people's emotions and make them my own if that makes any sense?? lol.

sorry if this was random lol.

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posted October 03, 2018 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Somna7H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I would reckon Moon with outer planetary influence of Neptune,Pluto and Uranus involved.

Moon Inconjunction Uranus.
Moon Opposite Neptune.
Moon Trine Pluto.

Mood changes but very little.
It depends on environment,situation etc outer/external forces.

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posted October 03, 2018 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was watching a documentary yesterday about a girl diagnosed with bipolar disorder, manic depression and schizophrenia.

She attaches her condition with her early childhood. Her mother was beaten by her father in her presence & she (the woman) was always a nervous wreck at home.

She suppressed a lot of the pain from the childhood. And then it all came flying out through relationships. She had to take control and sought specialists.

The point here being that the Ic/Moon which represents early childhood, could play a huge factor in conditions of this nature coming to the fore.

My close friend has social anxiety that is medically being treated, his Ic is in Pisces with Neptune squaring it exact.

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posted October 03, 2018 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
other related discussions..
* Huldra (mental health aspects)
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/239849.html
* StarryBuffalo (borderline)
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/239641-2.html

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posted October 03, 2018 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
another aside..
Some might appreciate this information.
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Ron Baker, outlines steps to communicating.

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There are several things we need to consider.
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And the issues and triggers that have been bothering you won’t magically go away if you don’t put it on the table.
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posted October 03, 2018 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I was watching a documentary yesterday about a girl diagnosed with bipolar disorder, manic depression and schizophrenia.

She attaches her condition with her early childhood. Her mother was beaten by her father in her presence & she (the woman) was always a nervous wreck at home.

She suppressed a lot of the pain from the childhood. And then it all came flying out through relationships. She had to take control and sought specialists.

The point here being that the Ic/Moon which represents early childhood, could play a huge factor in conditions of this nature coming to the fore.

My close friend has social anxiety that is medically being treated, his Ic is in Pisces with Neptune squaring it exact.


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posted October 03, 2018 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mirage29:
other related discussions..
* Huldra (mental health aspects)
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/239849.html
* StarryBuffalo (borderline)
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/239641-2.html


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posted October 03, 2018 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by angel4845:
... I started buying crystals and i saged them and sleep with them now to ground myself because i tend to catch other people's emotions and make them my own if that makes any sense?? lol.

sorry if this was random lol.


Not at all. It's a good topic.

Do you have a copy of The Crystal Bible? I have found it 100% reliable in its descriptions for how to use crystals and gemstones. You can definitely benefit from particular stones like Kunzite or Peridot for tuning into your own internal guidance and clearing personal bagge, or protective stones like Snowflake or Mahongany Obsidian, or Fire Agate, etc, etc.

In fact, glad you brought it up, because I think I could use some Kunzite again. Synchronicity. We're all in this together.

What happens a lot of the time is people with Moon (or Asc) in Pisces, Sagittarius, even Cancer (or with Moon in strong aspect to Neptune) can take in too much of other people's stuff/feelings/energies and lose what is their own feeling vs others around them. That could use help from stones that help you anchor, center, get grounded.

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posted October 03, 2018 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by angel4845:
... mars conjunct mercury ...

That is actually an aspect that can play into the mental side of this. I have Mars parallel Mercury. These hard aspects between Mercury and Mars keep the mind and nervous system over-active, as if on alert, and often defensive-aggressive in outlook.

They can require we take in extra minerals or B-vitamins (I often use nutritional yeast), or take calming herbs like Gota Kola to keep a better balance so the parasympathetic nervous system gets as much time to do its work as the sympathetic system does.

Mercury-Mars aspects like this can sometimes amplify rising energy and exaggerate the importance of what gets our attention. We can be experts at distracting ourselves!

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posted October 03, 2018 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My sibling has severe bipolar disorder, along with alcoholism and drug addiction. A few of his aspects:

- Sun in Aquarius
- Scorpio Moon in 12th house
- Sagittarius ASC
- Sun square Pluto
- Mercury square Pluto
- Moon square Jupiter
- Mars square Jupiter
- Moon & Mars conjunct Saturn
- Saturn conjunct ASC
- Uranus & Neptune in 1st house

No quoting please!

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posted October 03, 2018 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Kannon! And yes I’ve seen the crystal bible in many spiritual bookshops that I go to (been needing to own one myself actually). I will definitely look into those stones you mentioned for grounding and not absorbing others vibes/emotions etc. and agree on the synchronizity!

Agree on mars mercury info you provided indeed very resonating!! I’ve been needing to find some ways to calm this mental report and aggression glad to know the herbs you mentioned can be helpful as my mars/mercury not only conjunct my IC but also squares my ascendant axis as well exact!

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posted October 03, 2018 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks StubbornVirgo! Where is there chiron by any chance?

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posted October 04, 2018 06:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His Chiron is in Gemini, opposite his Sag Mars and Saturn.

I can post his chart later, if you think it would be helpful.

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posted October 04, 2018 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chiron-Saturn and Chiron-Moon are famed for suggesting chronic pain.

Whilst the former can add to feelings of hopelessness and depression, the latter is the mind constantly regurgitating emotionally jarring thoughts.

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posted October 04, 2018 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interestingly enough, I also have the Chiron-Saturn opposition in my own chart. My Chiron is in Cancer/6th house. It has played out more in (physical) chronic pain and is more Saturnian in nature (arthritis, joint pain, rheumatic disease from even a young age).

We have many similarities in our charts, as siblings. It's interesting to see how they played out differently for each of us.

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posted October 04, 2018 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it not interesting that pain can affirm internal feelings?

Saturn-Chiron is not the type that will hope for a "Jesus" miracle you see. They can come to accept the pain and live alongside its physical/emotional manifestations.

But herein is the difference between people who have this aspect.

Do you feel pain in your physical disability and feel hopeless about it?

Do you feel pain in your physical disability and feel hopeful about it?

The latter is not because you are looking to heal. But you are looking to find meaning behind that suffering.

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posted October 18, 2018 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Aries degrees I do certainly accept this pain of my Natal chiron opposite Saturn. I look to accept it and learn to grow from it and how to manage it.

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posted October 18, 2018 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by angel4845:
What aspects, signs, houses, rulers, asteroids etc. you guys think would indicate Bipolar disorder in the natal chart?? just curious to see some opinions.

I don't meet the criteria for bipolar I or II but I do have a mood disorder, I suspect cyclothymic disorder which is like a mild version of bipolar.

I would say that my chart ruler Jupiter conjucnt Uranus in the 12th opposite chiron in the 6th explains it but it also explains why I become a mental health counselor along with Venus ruling my MC and conjunct my Mars in the 8th.

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posted October 18, 2018 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While doing a mini reading for someone awhile back, I saw a guy with Uranus conjunct moon in 11th. I said to him something like "your relationship with your mother was full of upheaval, shocks - and she likely has psychological issues, a mental illness, or is straight up insane."

Then he responded "WHOA!! O-O my mom is bi-polar and she used to try to kill me!"

(as in literal kill)

I didn't know anything about his mom prior to this.

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posted October 18, 2018 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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