posted October 25, 2018 08:37 AM            

the moon is debilitated in scorpio because of the obsessive darker qualities of the sign, not exactly the most positive place

that being said scorpios are also capable of transformation and have a lot of good qualities too, and they might manifest in her more that way

exalted planets dont necessarily make someone's life better or easier it's just a matter of expression in that one area and all kinds of things can offset it

also real world stuff counts (venus in virgo might be more practical than venus in pisces and better able to maintain a relationship longterm as a result of not having such lofty ideas about love if they get past the criticism and standards) so you have to look at everything

aspects illustrate relationships better than just the planets themselves, a well aspected scorpio moon can indicate a positive relationship with their mother still

that all being said i have an aries moon with a lot of aspects (my chart: https://imgur.com/a/8vTQoKb) and my relationship with my mother is kind of complicated

on one hand i love her and she can be fun and has a lot of good qualities i respect in a person, but i wouldn't say any of her good qualities necessarily made her very good at being a parent

she's more of a friend than a parent when it comes to her better qualities in all honesty, and that's fine some people just are that way but yeah...

so she'd do things that were fun, but also i didnt go to preschool because taking me wouldve "been too much trouble

she was also abusive when i was really young (she chilled out when i was a teenager with that) and didn't really do much when it came to my father being abusive

she was the easier parent in a lot of ways because she was quicker to get over things and more likely to be in a better mood, but i'd argue some of the ways she was abusive were more damaging long term

she's also a manipulative liar who lives in a fantasy world where she glosses over a lot of negative things because she doesnt like dealing with them and it's usually not even worth speaking to her about anything that matters unless it's a concern for her in which case she'll vent and that's about it

i was/am her favorite, which did me no favors ultimately since i just became her emotional dumping ground

that all being said i dont have any hard feelings towards her, i know about her own childhood and i know she shouldnt have been a parent but has grown etc and it doesnt really matter anymore anyway

she isnt who she was entirely when she raised me, she's grown as a person, so there's that at least

posted October 25, 2018 08:48 AM            

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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
I didnt know Scorpio moons had sh it mothers, I thought it was just moon in the 12H. I have both, my mother its the BIGGEST,b i t ch e d f a c e d w h o r e who has walked the earth, besides that, I like her a bit more now since I cut my ties with her when I was 14 and she kicked me onto the streets.. I would have killed myself if I lived another day with her.

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posted October 25, 2018 09:00 AM            

So our Moon sign is about projection really. What nurtures us and what we believe constitutes a good mother or parent.

So Moon in Scorpio have a heightened sense of emotional awareness. This is also true of Moon in 8th(as I am finding out with my nephews Moon in 8th)

So that means that the likelihood of "disappointment" is likely ; whether the parent let's them down in a big way. Or a small way.

But this is on PURPOSE as it is not possible for the parent to be the "be all" provider for the child. As no parent can.

What the parent can do is provide the child stability, consistency, attention, guidance and their own(parents) version of what love is.

The Scorpio child once facing disappointment from parents learns early on that they (Scorpio moon) have to learn to self soothe.

In fact, its what we all have to learn to do when parents don't quite fulfill that longing sufficiently.

For Scorpio Moon,they need honesty from the parent, integrity, no lies, no manipulation, teaching them to forgive, teaching them the joy of allowing others in, true intimacy and that power comes from collaborating WITH others and is NOT power OVER others.

Do your best with your kids. They will have to learn to forgive you for not being able to do EVERYTHING as they grow and mature themselves. Because that limitation is called being human(you are not a demi god)

With Virgo Moon,the nurture comes from empowering them in teaching them the "how to" in the practical sense of dealing with everyday life. And also in terms of taking care of themselves.

posted October 25, 2018 09:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I think the planets are more about the subjective view of the native rather than the nature of the parent.

So our Moon sign is about projection really. What nurtures us and what we believe constitutes a good mother or parent.

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Wow. You have hit the nail on the head and managed to greatly affect my outlook on this subject in a few sentences! Thank you. I think I understand now. The moon must represent how we HOPE to be nurtured.

I wish when I was a teenager that my mother would have allowed me freedom to make mistakes. She was always going through my things and yelling. I wanted peace and quiet. I wanted her to just say "I'm here if you need me!" Because in my opinion we are all going to make mistakes growing up, the best a parent can do is be loving and understanding when needed. But isn't that quintessential Sagittarius Moon?
So the best I can do as their mother is be present, understand them, uniquely, because each child is unique and has different emotional needs.

posted October 25, 2018 09:48 AM            

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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
I didnt know Scorpio moons had sh it mothers, I thought it was just moon in the 12H. I have both, my mother its the BIGGEST,b i t ch e d f a c e d w h o r e who has walked the earth, besides that, I like her a bit more now since I cut my ties with her when I was 14 and she kicked me onto the streets.. I would have killed myself if I lived another day with her.

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I'm so sorry your mother did that to you!
I hope you are in a better, stronger place without her influence.

posted October 25, 2018 09:50 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Its not about projection, everyone in my family agrees my mother can be too intense pushy controlling and poor with boundaries and addicted to religion and my moon in Pisces in the 3rd squares Neptune and rules the 8th, I wouldn't say these qualities made me feel nurtured, it made me feel she doesn't listen, I never felt heard and she doesn't understand NO or limits I set so it made things difficult with her but yes my relationship with her has always been intense and we do love each other a lot in spite of difficulties and power struggles and she is also a great mom who is there for me no matter what and loyal af and very compassionate!

Now my guy has moon in cancer and he cut off his mom years ago so aspects and placements play a role too.

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So interesting, thank you for your input! I'm curious what are the aspects/placements of his Cancer Moon?

posted October 25, 2018 09:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
So Moon in Scorpio have a heightened sense of emotional awareness. This is also true of Moon in 8th(as I am finding out with my nephews Moon in 8th)

So that means that the likelihood of "disappointment" is likely ; whether the parent let's them down in a big way. Or a small way.

But this is on PURPOSE as it is not possible for the parent to be the "be all" provider for the child. As no parent can.

What the parent can do is provide the child stability, consistency, attention, guidance and their own(parents) version of what love is.

The Scorpio child once facing disappointment from parents learns early on that they (Scorpio moon) have to learn to self soothe.

In fact, its what we all have to learn to do when parents don't quite fulfill that longing sufficiently.

For Scorpio Moon,they need honesty from the parent, integrity, no lies, no manipulation, teaching them to forgive, teaching them the joy of allowing others in, true intimacy and that power comes from collaborating WITH others and is NOT power OVER others.

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I agree with this but I wouldn't say it's subjective nor a projection. I've talked about this with my siblings and close friends for an outside perspective and they agree on the things that I would consider problematic.

Funny thing is though is that my mom was never really one that fit Plutonian descriptions of parents. I had more emotional issues with my dad than I did with my mom. The only plutonian/Scorpio thing that happened with my mom is that she died from cancer.

posted October 25, 2018 10:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I think the planets are more about the subjective view of the native rather than the nature of the parent.

So our Moon sign is about projection really. What nurtures us and what we believe constitutes a good mother or parent.

So Moon in Scorpio have a heightened sense of emotional awareness. This is also true of Moon in 8th(as I am finding out with my nephews Moon in 8th)

So that means that the likelihood of "disappointment" is likely ; whether the parent let's them down in a big way. Or a small way.

But this is on PURPOSE as it is not possible for the parent to be the "be all" provider for the child. As no parent can.

What the parent can do is provide the child stability, consistency, attention, guidance and their own(parents) version of what love is.

The Scorpio child once facing disappointment from parents learns early on that they (Scorpio moon) have to learn to self soothe.

In fact, its what we all have to learn to do when parents don't quite fulfill that longing sufficiently.

For Scorpio Moon,they need honesty from the parent, integrity, no lies, no manipulation, teaching them to forgive, teaching them the joy of allowing others in, true intimacy and that power comes from collaborating WITH others and is NOT power OVER others.

Do your best with your kids. They will have to learn to forgive you for not being able to do EVERYTHING as they grow and mature themselves. Because that limitation is called being human(you are not a demi god)

With Virgo Moon,the nurture comes from empowering them in teaching them the "how to" in the practical sense of dealing with everyday life. And also in terms of taking care of themselves.

Virgo Moon(like Aries) wants to be independent as soon as possible.

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aries moon doesnt necessarily make someone particularly independent

i have an aries moon and i prefer to be "independent" with another person 😂 the libra ascendant and venus really offset it

but i like that person to not be too on top of me because that would be annoying, but i get really bored being alone very long too

only if im dating the person though, otherwise i don't care all that much

aspects can make all the difference

posted October 25, 2018 10:54 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Its not about projection, everyone in my family agrees my mother can be too intense pushy controlling and poor with boundaries and addicted to religion and my moon in Pisces in the 3rd squares Neptune and rules the 8th, I wouldn't say these qualities made me feel nurtured, it made me feel she doesn't listen, I never felt heard and she doesn't understand NO or limits I set so it made things difficult with her but yes my relationship with her has always been intense and we do love each other a lot in spite of difficulties and power struggles and she is also a great mom who is there for me no matter what and loyal af and very compassionate!

Now my guy has moon in cancer and he cut off his mom years ago so aspects and placements play a role too.

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I hear you.

The reason I spoke of projection is because in my family, my siblings and I have differing views of our parents. And we each emphasize (based on childhood subjective memory) where they may have erred.

Interestingly what I have found is that those areas that we each pay the most attention to, is where our Moon signs assign the most importance.

For instance, my younger sister has her Moon in Aries and thinks my Mom should have allowed her more freedom to do what she(my sister) wants without being harshly reprimanded.

She is neutral to my Dad. I think she appreciated the distant "hands off" approach he gave her.

So to her kids, the one thing she said was "I will make sure that they are free to be themselves without imposing myself on them".

With my other sister, her Moon is in Cancer. And her issue is with our Dad in that he was not very understanding enough, emotionally absent or not sensitive enough.

She adores Mom because she(Mom) was the emotionally present parent.

So she is the type who will be treating her kids with kid gloves and tending more to their emotional needs.

I also have Moon in Cancer. And I have written at length about my past relationship with my father.

Like my sister, I viewed him "absent" emotionally. And it affected me a lot more(I think) because I felt rejected by a same sex parent.

My Mom was an awesome parent. Very communicative and not "imposing" to me as my sister(younger) found her to be.

I don't want kids. As I am not sure that I can provide for them the kind of love that I wanted.

But if I should be blessed with one or two,I will do my best to be a present and guiding light in their lives.

Yes, Moon in Cancer can have issues for days with Mom/Dad. This is because of the heightened sensitivity to wanting to feel safe,loved,protected,attended to and nurtured inside/out.

Its a very tall order for most parents. And those parents who have Moon in Aqua,Moon in Cap or Moon in Sag etc. And have a child who has Moon in Cancer, it could feel like they have little idea of how to handle their offspring.

With Moon in Pisces,your yearning for parental support was more from a "feeling" perspective than a tangible one.

In that,your parents had to have a heightened awareness of your distress and dissatisfaction even as you put on a smile I.e read between the lines.

Pisces Moon kids are the toughest to read because of their tendency to correspond to their environment.

They are so good at this that they often fool the self-centred, emotionally immature and intellectual parents.

They usually don't want to bring distress to parents/people around them and can be the type who don't demand much, are quick to forgive the past. And want to be the "bigger" people.

Selfishness, aggressiveness, pushiness and a total disregard for other people's feelings etc. show an insensitive parent(their worst nightmare)

Your relationship with your Mom survives because you chose to be the bigger person and forgive her.

And with your own children, you are likely to emphasize the areas of emotional ficus where your mother erred I.e you will not impose yourself on your children or be the parent who has no boundaries set up in the relationship etc.

The Moon is about you and your subjective experience IMO. It emphasizes your needs and wants. Your priorities etc.

The parent will live out their Moon sign and parent you from that perspective. So where there is meeting ground between the two, will determine how good the relationship is.

With a Moon in Gem/Aqua child, a parent-child relationship that is more sibling in nature, may be more preferred.

posted October 25, 2018 11:20 AM            

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I agree with this but I wouldn't say it's subjective nor a projection. I've talked about this with my siblings and close friends for an outside perspective and they agree on the things that I would consider problematic.

Funny thing is though is that my mom was never really one that fit Plutonian descriptions of parents. I had more emotional issues with my dad than I did with my mom. The only plutonian/Scorpio thing that happened with my mom is that she died from cancer.

My dad was always one though that tried to have power over me and would always try to make it clear that he would always be stronger than me, which I never believed because because I knew he was just trying to get in my head. I feel like growing up I had to struggle through many psychological issues and mind-games.

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I am so sorry to hear that about your mom.

But is funny you mentioned that she was not very plutonic bc my sis has moon in scorpio and I feel her relationship with my mother was less plutonic without a doubt than my relationship with my mother but I think is bc she was more strategic about how she dealt with my mother (she is also more contained with virgo rising) while I having moon in pisces and venus and mars in leo, sag rising, chart ruler jupiter conjunct uranus was very expressive, reactive and rebellious to her plutonic style of parenting . I remember feeling as a teen that she wanted to shape me into her and breath for me but I think that bc my chart ruler conjuncts Uranus I had a very strong need for freedom and felt suffocated tbf. My sis does not have a strong uranus presence in her chart. It rules her 6th, falls in the 2nd and squares her saturn actually so saturn must calm down a lot that energy.

We do both have moon in the 3rd and I highly suspect my mother has gemini rising. Her moon in scorpio opposes jupiter also showing the religious/fanatic nature of my mother.

posted October 25, 2018 11:35 AM            

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So interesting, thank you for your input! I'm curious what are the aspects/placements of his Cancer Moon?

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My theory is that moon in cancer is hypersensitive to they way their mother is with them.

He has Moon in cancer in the 2nd House, I feel mother showed him love giving him stuff, giving him money and that was obviously very far from enough and not truly what he needed. Not only that but he remembers mother giving his older brother more money (although it could be bc she was doing better during that time of her life) and she clearly likes his brother more.

His Moon squares his Sun: his parents divorced and that is when he started to hold a grudge agains't her. I guess cancer retains emotional memories well and since is in the 2nd (naturally ruled by taurus) he is conducive to holding grudges and also hoarding bc he values resources and reusing things/fixing things.

His moon trines his mercury: very talkative. Never ignores my texts, never had issues with that, he may not respond right away bc he is busy doing something but never ignores me, responsive to communication.

Moon sesquisquare Mars and Uranus

Moon square Saturn: may that is the aspect that explains why he doesn't feel unconditionally loved and accepted by his mother!!!!!!! that led to him eventually cutting ties. Add moon in cancer is very sensitive.

posted October 25, 2018 03:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
aries moon doesnt necessarily make someone particularly independent

i have an aries moon and i prefer to be "independent" with another person 😂 the libra ascendant and venus really offset it

but i like that person to not be too on top of me because that would be annoying, but i get really bored being alone very long too

only if im dating the person though, otherwise i don't care all that much

aspects can make all the difference

im pretty sure ive never spent a full 24 hours alone in my life

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posted October 25, 2018 04:30 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
You are such a Libra it's adorable though, you guys really understand what quality time means, I eat it up and love it. There is always one person in my life I am like that with, even when I was single then it was my best friend...I always have my person.

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for me it's been my fiancee, for years before we were dating it was still her

posted October 25, 2018 04:34 PM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
I have actually heard somewhere that Scorpio Moon/Moon-Pluto aspects is the most common moon that celebrities have. If their moon is not in Scorpio, then it is aspecting Pluto. Even soft aspects from Moon to Pluto are very intense and have intense reactions from others. I think that it is what gives the celebrities their magnetizing appeal, you either love and obsess over them immensely, or you have great and sour distaste for them; to the point of sending them hate mail and death threats. Celebrities don't have to do anything special at all with their lives, just be sexually appealing and attractive in a few regards and BAM they have more power and influence than politicians and businessmen. This is typical, as Pluto is the domain of politicians and businessmen, thus it gives celebrities an overwhelming power that even tops the top of the government at times. Very common Moon for them indeed.

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Mmmmmmmmmmm interesting, great analysis

posted October 25, 2018 04:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
for me it's been my fiancee, for years before we were dating it was still her

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posted October 25, 2018 04:40 PM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:

As for me, my mother is kind of described by my moon. Moon in Aries in 11th. She works in an Aries environment, very militant, it's for the government. 11th house, she has a lot of friends and social connections and it definitely ruined my connection with her sometimes while growing up. She would spend her money lavishly on herself and her friends and boyfriends while me and my sister wore raggedy clothes and such. Our grandparents took care of us more than she did and I know the 11th house is the house of grandparents. I felt and stilll feel disconnected from her sometimes, also 11th influence. We have many similarities being the same Sun and Mercuries, but there is also a disconnect. She bothers me sometimes. My Moon is trine Venus and Pluto and almost conjunct Jupiter. Moon also squares my chart ruler.

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Okay sending a cyber slap to your mom for putting her friends first!

GTFO, the 11th rules grandparents!!!!!!! Really? Interesting....

posted October 25, 2018 04:47 PM            

My 8th house Moon is in Gemini square Mercury, sextile Venus and Mars, trine my MC and opposing Uranus.

Growing up I always thought my mother was beautiful and accomplished, with great, elegant taste, but emotionally unavailable!
It was really hard for me to reach her. Her affections seemed shallow, there was no depth, no real safety or nurturing. I also perceived her as being quite manipulative.

There’s still a lot I am thankful for, though. I owe her most of my looks and my aesthetic taste. I’m also quite adaptable to change, and I learned how to process emotional situations in a rational way. This helps me a lot, when times get tough. Although I had to develope my emotional nature all by myself! Opening up to others, being warm, empathetic and nurturing.. something I didn’t learn from her, but something she’s learning from me! Our relationship deepened significantly over the years. Especially now, that I’m becoming a mommy, too.

posted October 25, 2018 05:19 PM            

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Scorpio Moon is not bad at all, especially not when it’s well integrated into the chart. Then mother is perceived as being profound, fierce, loyal, emotionally strong and fascinating. Someone you can tell all your secrets to, and who you’ll depend on with your life.

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Yes I grew up seeing her as super strong, driven and like a superwoman, also intense, deeply loyal, protective, compassionate and highly sensitive, spiritual and a religious fanatic.

Moon in pisces rules the 8th and squares neptune

Yes is very strong and also highly sensitive .

"Growing up I always thought my mother was beautiful and accomplished, with great, elegant taste, but emotionally unavailable!
It was really hard for me to reach her. Her affections seemed shallow, there was no depth, no real safety or nurturing. I also perceived her as being quite manipulative."

Interesting.

"Opening up to others, being warm, empathetic and nurturing.. something I didn’t learn from her, but something she’s learning from me! Our relationship deepened significantly over the years. Especially now, that I’m becoming a mommy, too."

awwwwwwwww that is beautiful to hear parents definitely learn from us!

"There’s still a lot I am thankful for, though. I owe her most of my looks and my aesthetic taste. I’m also quite adaptable to change, and I learned how to process emotional situations in a rational way. This helps me a lot, when times get tough."

posted October 26, 2018 06:39 AM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
I have actually heard somewhere that Scorpio Moon/Moon-Pluto aspects is the most common moon that celebrities have. If their moon is not in Scorpio, then it is aspecting Pluto. Even soft aspects from Moon to Pluto are very intense and have intense reactions from others. I think that it is what gives the celebrities their magnetizing appeal, you either love and obsess over them immensely, or you have great and sour distaste for them; to the point of sending them hate mail and death threats. Celebrities don't have to do anything special at all with their lives, just be sexually appealing and attractive in a few regards and BAM they have more power and influence than politicians and businessmen. This is typical, as Pluto is the domain of politicians and businessmen, thus it gives celebrities an overwhelming power that even tops the top of the government at times. Very common Moon for them indeed.

As for me, my mother is kind of described by my moon. Moon in Aries in 11th. She works in an Aries environment, very militant, it's for the government. 11th house, she has a lot of friends and social connections and it definitely ruined my connection with her sometimes while growing up. She would spend her money lavishly and on herself and her friends and boyfriends while me and my sister wore raggedy clothes and such. Our grandparents took care of us more than she did and I know the 11th house is the house of grandparents. I felt and stilll feel disconnected from her sometimes, also 11th influence. We have many similarities being the same Sun and Mercuries, but there is also a disconnect. She bothers me sometimes. My Moon is trine Venus and Pluto and almost conjunct Jupiter. Moon also squares my chart ruler.

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posted October 26, 2018 06:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I agree with this but I wouldn't say it's subjective nor a projection. I've talked about this with my siblings and close friends for an outside perspective and they agree on the things that I would consider problematic.

Funny thing is though is that my mom was never really one that fit Plutonian descriptions of parents. I had more emotional issues with my dad than I did with my mom. The only plutonian/Scorpio thing that happened with my mom is that she died from cancer.

My dad was always one though that tried to have power over me and would always try to make it clear that he would always be stronger than me, which I never believed because because I knew he was just trying to get in my head. I feel like growing up I had to struggle through many psychological issues and mind-games.

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Sorry to clarify— Are you a Scorpio Moon? So now I am curious, are there any difficult aspects to the Sun that might explain your relationship with your father? although maybe comes down to synastry.