posted December 06, 2018 10:24 PM            

My grandpa is way more lenient on her. But I don’t understand. But he can talk badly about a guy at work because he is a bit slow, has bad hygiene and might have mental problems. He can talk badly about people who are handicapped, physically and mentally. And thinks animals are lower than humans. (Which I know people have different opinions on that, but personally I think humans are no way better than animals) but he can be mean to an animal.

It’s seems he will pick on the weaker, but be passive and generous to mean people who are not so nice and will take advantage.
I can’t wrap my mind around it. Maybe Im the weird one, but I personally find it hard to be kind and want to offer my best to mean people, but I find it hard to be mean to nice people.
I know you’re thinking that of course he will be giving to his kids, because that’s whst parents do and I get that. Id help my kids too of course, but I think there is a limit to how much youd let your kids take advantage of you and put the brakes on how much you do for them when they are already living under your roof practically rent free at 40 years and disrespectful.
How in the world do you stay constantly giving to someone who doesn’t care so much and doesn’t show appreciation to you.
Even at his job he shows more compassion to people I personally think aren’t in need, versus he won’t show compassion to those who are, in my opinion, in need. The weaker people. I think why do you want to help people who aren’t deserving or appreciative or in greater need to you yet won’t show it to those who are?
I would like to know why he is like that.
And why in the world am I like this? I can’t understand it. Im wondering if this makes me a bad persom because I can’t see myself being as kind and generous to people who are mean. Not saying Im mean to them, Im not, but Im not as friendly and giving to them. But I should probably be with everyone. I find it harder with meaner people.

Anyone else like this? :/‘
What aspects/placements affect these thingz?
My grandpa is a Virgo Sun Leo moon btw

I know even though my grandpa can be mean to the downtrodden and more vulnerable and I don’t like that he is that, personally, but I know he still is a good person. Seeing as he will help his family in need. And other people too. So I don’t want it to come off like Im saying he is a bas person. It’s just personally I feel a greater connection and feelings for animals and people who are underdogs and downtrodden outcasted people. So it bothers me when people are mean to them. I don’t like mean people.

posted December 06, 2018 10:36 PM            

Edit: It's something with Virgos about appreciating the way others stuff down their emotions, which often causes people to be mean. But when other people are vulnerable or emoting all over the place, it makes the Virgo feel like they are working so hard at being 'strong' for nothing. Basically, undervalued. Virgo needs to be of service and many consider their humanity to be a burden to others. If someone can gain sympathy from people just for being vulnerable, then what is the Virgo being strong for? So in a way, it's about deserving to be appreciated. It's messed up but really common.

Edit: I really want to add that there is no such thing as unconditional love for Virgos. In the most fundamental way possible.

However many of them really jive with Pisces placements, and people who embody the epitome of sensitivity. It depends on where they're at as individuals, whether they've learned to appreciate the other side or still scoff at it. But I would say it's a Virgo thing. And adding Leo to it, throws a whole lot of pride and maybe a general need to feel superior over others.

posted December 06, 2018 10:52 PM            

Leo is a prideful sign, and will respect those that are of higher status. It's rather the way one presents themselves vs what they're actually about. Like begging for money will probably never work for them and they'll just brush that person off.

I read once the difference between a lion and a bear, if you're faced with such and wanna walk out of there alive... With a bear, you portraying yourself as rather weak or dead they'll probably let you go. With a lion, if you show that you're scared, that is when they'll take the plunge to attack you. You showing you're fierce will have them back off.

posted December 06, 2018 11:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
I think Virgo placements are like that. They are 'hardened' and want to be nice to other people they see are 'hardened.' And they scorn weakness and sensitivity, which are more prominent in their opposite sign, Pisces.

Edit: It's something with Virgos about appreciating the way others stuff down their emotions, which often causes people to be mean. But when other people are vulnerable or emoting all over the place, it makes the Virgo feel like they are working so hard at being 'strong' for nothing. Basically, undervalued. Virgo needs to be of service and many consider their humanity to be a burden to others. If someone can gain sympathy from people just for being vulnerable, then what is the Virgo being strong for? So in a way, it's about deserving to be appreciated. It's messed up but really common.

Edit: I really want to add that there is no such thing as unconditional love for Virgos. In the most fundamental way possible.

However many of them really jive with Pisces placements, and people who embody the epitome of sensitivity. It depends on where they're at as individuals, whether they've learned to appreciate the other side or still scoff at it. But I would say it's a Virgo thing. And adding Leo to it, throws a whole lot of pride and maybe a general need to feel superior over others.

This is coming from a Leo ASC and Virgo mars

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Well thank god I have a moon in pisces square neptune and sun in virgo square neptune, if not I would be a total 100% B*tch apparently! hahahhaha JK

you girl and appreciate your input. Interesting perspective.

posted December 06, 2018 11:25 PM            

I understand we ALL have the right to fall apart but I respect someone who in spite of falling apart can still function and push themselves to ride the wave out however long that wave lasts. I respect someone who has the discipline to function even though they feel like death inside.

We all feel weak sometimes but do you get up and fight? Do you leave this world fighting? To me that is what strength is, not the denial of weakness but that fighting spirit, that I will at least leave this world fighting this battle called life like a warrior, maybe I am wounded from the battle and going to die soon but I am fighting even though I am scared and wounded till I can't fight anymore, I am choosing to be brave and go out fighting.

Life can be so scary and there are so many situations that the only normal response is to feel vulnerable and this does not make us weak but do you fight? Do you get up and pick up your sword and fight?

posted December 06, 2018 11:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
I think Virgo placements are like that. They are 'hardened' and want to be nice to other people they see are 'hardened.' And they scorn weakness and sensitivity, which are more prominent in their opposite sign, Pisces.

Edit: It's something with Virgos about appreciating the way others stuff down their emotions, which often causes people to be mean. But when other people are vulnerable or emoting all over the place, it makes the Virgo feel like they are working so hard at being 'strong' for nothing. Basically, undervalued. Virgo needs to be of service and many consider their humanity to be a burden to others. If someone can gain sympathy from people just for being vulnerable, then what is the Virgo being strong for? So in a way, it's about deserving to be appreciated. It's messed up but really common.

Edit: I really want to add that there is no such thing as unconditional love for Virgos. In the most fundamental way possible.

However many of them really jive with Pisces placements, and people who embody the epitome of sensitivity. It depends on where they're at as individuals, whether they've learned to appreciate the other side or still scoff at it. But I would say it's a Virgo thing. And adding Leo to it, throws a whole lot of pride and maybe a general need to feel superior over others.

This is coming from a Leo ASC and Virgo mars

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You gave a very interesting perspective on this. My grandpa’s brother is similar to him, and he is also a Virgo. Not sure his other placements though. But that is probably where the similarity is from.

posted December 06, 2018 11:43 PM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
What placements indicate these things? Ive always wondered...I don’t understand it. My grandpa is this way. It’s like he’s nice and good to mean people or people that aren’t really deserving of it. While he can be mean and talk down about weaker people or people who are definitely should be handled with care.

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He probably thinks weak people are whiny spoiled sheltered Millennial brats who need some serious "tough love" and to develop thicker skin bc they grew up in the generation of "safe-spaces."

He is nice to mean people bc they probably didn't have a "safe-space" growing up and so became mean to deal with a hostile hard world. He probably thinks mean people are the ones that need the most love and compassion in the world bc they will not rehabilitate and become better versions of themselves in a hostile world and by getting more of the same they got when they were growing up.

posted December 06, 2018 11:52 PM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
He’s very helpful to family members, especially his kids. He will lend them money. My mom more specifically. She still lives with her parents and always borrows money but doesn’t pay it back. On top of that she can be very disrespectful to them. But my grandpa always sticks up for her and always lends money when she needs it.

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posted December 06, 2018 11:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Leo came to my head before reading he has Leo placements...

Leo is a prideful sign, and will respect those that are of higher status. It's rather the way one presents themselves vs what they're actually about. Like begging for money will probably never work for them and they'll just brush that person off.

I read once the difference between a lion and a bear, if you're faced with such and wanna walk out of there alive... With a bear, you portraying yourself as rather weak or dead they'll probably let you go. With a lion, if you show that you're scared, that is when they'll take the plunge to attack you. You showing you're fierce will have them back off.

That's Leo.

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Wow that makes a lot of sense. I didn’t quite understand how he had Leo moon at first because he seems so Virgo to me, through and through but now that you mention that I can see it more. He has a power trip. He thinks when people tell him to do something they are trying to show assertiveness and power over him. It’s silly really. He thinks people do certain things on purpose just to get under his skin, when really they weren’t it was an accident.

Lol I don’t get his perspective on things a lot of the time. It’s funny too because my Sun and Moon are in opposite signs of Virgo and Leo.. Pisces sun and Aquarius moon, so we are opposites in these ways.

You’re right though. He even said himself he is doesn’t respect his boss because he isn’t a “boss”. Hell be right up disrespectful to his boss, because his boss won’t saying anything to him or fire him. So he knows he can do whatever. And his boss pays him way. Me and my grandma are always saying how lucky he is that they haven’t fired him. If my boss was that nice, giving me christmas bonuses, buys employees lunch every Friday, buys them food from wheres ever they want plus a cake on their birthday, AND doesn’t fire me even when I disrespect him, and walk away from work when Im mad AND gives me an advance when I ask him so I can put a down payment on a new car,I sure as heck would be nice to my boss!
But he acts up with him because you know why? He himself said because he lets them. He even said that if he was a “real boss” he wouldn’t disrespect him, but since he isn’t a “real boss” he can basically walk over him. Pretty messed up.

posted December 06, 2018 11:58 PM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:

My grandpa is way more lenient on her. But I don’t understand. But he can talk badly about a guy at work because he is a bit slow, has bad hygiene and might have mental problems. He can talk badly about people who are handicapped, physically and mentally. And thinks animals are lower than humans. (Which I know people have different opinions on that, but personally I think humans are no way better than animals) but he can be mean to an animal.

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He sounds like maybe he had a rough life and has a lot of anger build up he never processed bc he never got help

posted December 07, 2018 12:03 AM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:

It’s seems he will pick on the weaker, but be passive and generous to mean people who are not so nice and will take advantage.

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posted December 07, 2018 12:06 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
huh he is spoiling her then, this is hurting her bc she is learning that is ok to take advantage of people.

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Yes very much so. And it’s sad because he doesn’t realize he isn’t really helping her. I wonder what happens if she outlives her parents. She will have nothing. She is not even putting anything in her retirement because she works at a dog rescue. He says he still sees her as a kid. But she isn’t. She’ll probably never move out or learn to support herself because she doesn’t have to. I don’t think it’s the right thing to do. It’s adding to my mothers instability. I just hope this doesn’t fall back on me when Im older. Oh my gosh I don’t know what I do. My grandma already has a hard time because of her. My grandma is a clean freak who can’t stand the house dirty, so she feels the house is never clean because my mom and sister always go back and forth to the kitchen so it never stays clean after we clean it. She can’t deal with their attitudes. So she’s always stressed with them living their but she is basically screwed because she can’t kick them out of course, she probably won’t ever move because she already cant afford the rent even now. My grandma has this added stress that can’t be helped. I feel bad so I try to help as much as I can but still. It’s just a mess. I don’t know when my mom will ever get it together.

posted December 07, 2018 12:10 AM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
Maybe Im the weird one, but I personally find it hard to be kind and want to offer my best to mean people, but I find it hard to be mean to nice people.
I know you’re thinking that of course he will be giving to his kids, because that’s whst parents do and I get that. Id help my kids too of course, but I think there is a limit to how much youd let your kids take advantage of you and put the brakes on how much you do for them when they are already living under your roof practically rent free at 40 years and disrespectful.

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Most people want to punch someone in the face when they are been jerks! I included, I just don't act on it and use my words and stand up for myself or just use my body language.

posted December 07, 2018 12:14 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
There is a possibility his mother or father had a narcissistic personality disorder and he is still trying subconsciously to win their approval and all his interactions are dictated by this subconscious compulsion/need. Underneath it there is an inferiority/superiority complex possibly stemming from this.

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It’s possible. My grandpa said that his father was a drunk and always beat them. He died young, working on a construction site. And his mom was a mean lady. But kind of like him, she helped her kids a lot though, but played favorites for the other kids over him because she didn’t like my grandma. I think they said she even practiced white magic. My grandma said she was a mean lady. But she said even though the father was a mean drunk, when he wasn’t drunk he was nice. So I don’t know...

posted December 07, 2018 12:21 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
He sounds like maybe he had a rough life and has a lot of anger build up he never processed bc he never got help

Animals are absolutely precious.....I have a huge problem with people abusing animals, it bothers me a lot more than people abusing each other.

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He talks a lot about people being the reflection of their parents. He talks about the psychology behind how you are raised creating the person you are. So maybe he knows he still is holding on to scars from his past.

Im the same way. I really love animals. I think I feel hurt more often for animals than humans as weird as it is. You’re right they are truly precious. I sometimes wish I can live on this earth with nothing but animals hahaha

posted December 07, 2018 12:22 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Well thank god I have a moon in pisces square neptune and sun in virgo square neptune, if not I would be a total 100% B*tch apparently! hahahhaha JK

you girl and appreciate your input. Interesting perspective.

I think I need to re read your post a few times before I respond

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Well, it's more about the essence of the sign Virgo. If you had most things in Virgo you'd feel way less inclined towards empathy than the general population. ( I know from experience with these people, they tend towards not understanding emotions at all and not even wanting to understand. )

But as you say you have a Pisces moon and Neptune aspects, so you obviously understand empathy.
I'm talking more about a lot of Virgo energy, or Virgo energy that is negatively twisted.

posted December 07, 2018 12:39 AM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
Yes very much so. And it’s sad because he doesn’t realize he isn’t really helping her. I wonder what happens if she outlives her parents. She will have nothing. She is not even putting anything in her retirement because she works at a dog rescue. He says he still sees her as a kid. But she isn’t. She’ll probably never move out or learn to support herself because she doesn’t have to. I don’t think it’s the right thing to do. It’s adding to my mothers instability. I just hope this doesn’t fall back on me when Im older. Oh my gosh I don’t know what I do. My grandma already has a hard time because of her. My grandma is a clean freak who can’t stand the house dirty, so she feels the house is never clean because my mom and sister always go back and forth to the kitchen so it never stays clean after we clean it. She can’t deal with their attitudes. So she’s always stressed with them living their but she is basically screwed because she can’t kick them out of course, she probably won’t ever move because she already cant afford the rent even now. My grandma has this added stress that can’t be helped. I feel bad so I try to help as much as I can but still. It’s just a mess. I don’t know when my mom will ever get it together.

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I always worry about that too when I think of people in situations like that, in their 40s but still dependent on their parents financially. The virgo/pisces in me freaks out for them.

posted December 07, 2018 12:50 AM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:

Im the same way. I really love animals. I think I feel hurt more often for animals than humans as weird as it is. You’re right they are truly precious. I sometimes wish I can live on this earth with nothing but animals hahaha

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Animals are awesome!

"He talks a lot about people being the reflection of their parents. He talks about the psychology behind how you are raised creating the person you are. So maybe he knows he still is holding on to scars from his past."

posted December 07, 2018 02:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
I think Virgo placements are like that. They are 'hardened' and want to be nice to other people they see are 'hardened.' And they scorn weakness and sensitivity, which are more prominent in their opposite sign, Pisces.

Edit: It's something with Virgos about appreciating the way others stuff down their emotions, which often causes people to be mean. But when other people are vulnerable or emoting all over the place, it makes the Virgo feel like they are working so hard at being 'strong' for nothing. Basically, undervalued. Virgo needs to be of service and many consider their humanity to be a burden to others. If someone can gain sympathy from people just for being vulnerable, then what is the Virgo being strong for? So in a way, it's about deserving to be appreciated. It's messed up but really common.

Edit: I really want to add that there is no such thing as unconditional love for Virgos. In the most fundamental way possible.

However many of them really jive with Pisces placements, and people who embody the epitome of sensitivity. It depends on where they're at as individuals, whether they've learned to appreciate the other side or still scoff at it. But I would say it's a Virgo thing. And adding Leo to it, throws a whole lot of pride and maybe a general need to feel superior over others.

This is coming from a Leo ASC and Virgo mars

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you're completely wrong

i have a virgo sun and i would never treat someone that way

as a child i was taught to stuff my own feelings down, as a result i make sure to not do that to other people

i don't see my own feelings as very important but other people's? definitely, even strangers

i've stayed up all night with perfect strangers because they were suicidal and needed someone to listen

as for unconditional love

i can definitely feel that, i do for my fiancee in spite of every up and down we've been through i love her the same as i always have if not more as the years go by and it hasnt been an easy relationship

it's very hard for me to stop caring once i care, i never have actually even when there's been distance or fights etc

i have a leo mercury as well btw

if someone is hardened i can feel bad for them because i know there's vulnerability there but i'm not more inclined towards them than i am someone sensitive

i don't think it's healthy for people to stuff things down, though i can acknowledge the necessity in letting things go (i think that's different though), still i think part of that can be processing and experiencing the emotions they have

and then gaining tools to get through that, i try to teach people mindfulness and meditation to help them cope but i'm also always happy to listen

i can't hear someone suffer without feeling a pull towards them and this intense desire to want to make them feel better

i don't even care if they like me or appreciate it, i just can't handle seeing people in pain without trying to help

posted December 07, 2018 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Leo came to my head before reading he has Leo placements...

Leo is a prideful sign, and will respect those that are of higher status. It's rather the way one presents themselves vs what they're actually about. Like begging for money will probably never work for them and they'll just brush that person off.

I read once the difference between a lion and a bear, if you're faced with such and wanna walk out of there alive... With a bear, you portraying yourself as rather weak or dead they'll probably let you go. With a lion, if you show that you're scared, that is when they'll take the plunge to attack you. You showing you're fierce will have them back off.

That's Leo.

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depends on the person

i give beggars money and food when i have it, whether theyre homeless or travelers etc

i figure everyone needs something sometimes, if i have then i can give, and hopefully it helps them a little

i grew up in nyc and i've always found that "look away from terrible things and people need help" mentality depressing, i hate the way a lot of people dehumanize the most vulnerable people around them

makes me feel sick