posted December 20, 2018 06:09 AM            

Some examples:
- Love stellium of Sun/Mercury/Venus is supposed to create the most loving bond but some claimed it didn't do anything for them.

- Highly acclaimed Sun/Moon aspects didn't work for some people (like me). Same can be said for Venus/Mars.

- Venus/Mars-Uranus hard aspects are supposed to indicate breakups but some managed to stay together, esp Mars-Uranus supposed to indicate non-commitment from the man but my parents with Mars square Uranus stay married for 40+yrs. The only things I saw were their sudden union and a lot of personal freedom, especially from my mom (not my dad, ha).

- Mars-Neptune hard aspects also supposed to indicate infidelity in the man but my brother who has this with his wife didn't cheat. Together for 10+yrs.

All these make me feel that we are more complex than our charts, and we should be more flexible in our readings rather than assuming an absolute.

posted December 20, 2018 06:58 AM            

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but what about aspects / placements that counter-effect the above ?

sorry, I have no examples..

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posted December 20, 2018 12:23 PM            

Example. I have Moon in Gemini in 8th house. Gemini Moons are supposedly light-hearted and superficial. Talking to them is easy, because their need for variety and mental stimulation means they know about a wide range of topics and can communicate with almost anyone.

What I just said isn't true for me. My emotions are deep, complex, and intense. This isn't what you hear about Gemini Moons. You hear Gemini Moons are uncomfortable with feelings and prefer to intellectualize them. Yes, my Moon is still in Gemini, but the depth, the intensity, the complexity is not associated with Gemini at all. With me, my intensity and complexity are taken to extremes and I often very rarely hit a middle ground. I'm into heavy topics and what I think about tends to hit dark territory at times.

So, why is my Moon in Gemini in 8th house manifesting like this? In my chart, Moon in Gemini makes a bi-quintile with Pluto in Scorpio. Most sources would not list my Moon and Pluto being in aspect, because the bi-quintile is a minor aspect and it's easy to write off minor aspects when there's so little information out there about them and they generally aren't as major.

Minor aspects are usually left out of the chart altogether on most chart calculation sites. Astro has some minor aspects on there, but Astro doesn't actually have all minor aspects.

In general, the entire chart must be taken into consideration. On the other hand, the cookbook often has very simplistic interpretations. It's not easy nor realistic to go super in-depth with all the possibilities, because each chart is different and there are so many combinations that can potentially manifest in the same way. Free will is also a thing. Changing your nature is challenging, but it can be done.

posted December 20, 2018 04:28 PM            

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- Love stellium of Sun/Mercury/Venus is supposed to create the most loving bond but some claimed it didn't do anything for them.

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I'm assuming you're talking about composite charts. While I'm no expert on composites, I believe that the composite charts show the nature of the relationship, the high and lows. But the progressed composite planets show action, especially the progressed composite Moon.
A couple may have this stellium but they might not have favourable composite progressions. Even two people who are not together might have this stellium but if composite progressions don't indicate a kick off, they are probably never going to get together.

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- Highly acclaimed Sun/Moon aspects didn't work for some people (like me). Same can be said for Venus/Mars.

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It matters a lot who the Sun and who the Moon person is!
If the Moon person is MALE and the Sun person is FEMALE - great!
If it's the other way around, then they might get along well but it's nothing out of the ordinary.
The Moon in a female's chart doesn't have the same meaning as the Moon in a male's chart. Yes, sure, the Moon shows our emotional makeup but in a male chart it also shows what he wants in a woman.

The female Sun in the same sign as the male Moon is the ideal woman to the man. Her Sun - her CORE - matches the ideal that the male Moon wants.

And if it's the other way around, what does it show exactly? That the female Moon is understanding of the male Sun (core)?
Not really sexy.

The same goes for female Mars/male Sun - great. What she finds sexy (Mars), he is to the core (Sun). It also works the other way around because Mars and Sun are MALE signifiers. Just the way it doesn't matter whose Venus conjuncts whose Moon, since these are FEMALE signifiers.

The luminaries are both important for both sexes but still, the Sun describes the male a little bit more than it does with a female.

Male Venus conjunct female Sun is also better than the other way around.

When it comes to Venus/Mars interaspects we have the female/male issue again. But actually, in this case it's better if the female is Venus and the Mars male, if it matters at all.
Female Moon conjunct male Mars is way hotter though.

Other guaranteed attraction factors are female Asc conjunct male Venus, female Sun conjunct male Asc, Asc and Dsc ruler conjunct, Asc ruler conjunct the other's Desc.

None of them can hold up a relationship on their own, though.
Ideally, you would want as many as possible of these configurations above.

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- Venus/Mars-Uranus hard aspects are supposed to indicate breakups but some managed to stay together, esp Mars-Uranus supposed to indicate non-commitment from the man but my parents with Mars square Uranus stay married for 40+yrs. The only things I saw were their sudden union and a lot of personal freedom, especially from my mom (not my dad, ha).

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I have seen quite a few long term relationships with hard Uranus interaspects. If both people are Uranian, then they can handle it. It's more difficult if only person is. Especially for people with Uranus on their own Descendant.

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- Mars-Neptune hard aspects also supposed to indicate infidelity in the man but my brother who has this with his wife didn't cheat. Together for 10+yrs.

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posted December 20, 2018 06:05 PM            

The story the birth chart writes is like any other -- from patterns of the past.

By "indicate breakups" you imply predict breakups. This section confuses me as to whether you are referring to synastry (inter-)aspects or to natal charts.

No, we determine our outcomes, not astrological aspects. This is like conflating the weather report with a necessarily bad day. There are clouds in everyone's sky. The weather may make certain activities more challenging, such as flying a kite in a hurricane, but also informs us that the kite is best saved for flying on a more gently windy day.

Astrological aspects strictly speaking don't do anything for anyone. They describe you, your starting pattern.

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... we should be more flexible in our readings rather than assuming an absolute.

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Yes, exactly. Look at the planets and aspects as energies that can be used in various ways. They do not write our outcomes. They define the challenges not the results.

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"Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts

posted December 20, 2018 11:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Astrology has been accurate enough for me, but I don't look at it as essentially predictive so my expectations aren't cemented in such a way as to pick on certain things as 'not accurate'.

The story the birth chart writes is like any other -- from patterns of the past.

By "indicate breakups" you imply [i]predict breakups. This section confuses me as to whether you are referring to synastry (inter-)aspects or to natal charts.

No, we determine our outcomes, not astrological aspects. This is like conflating the weather report with a necessarily bad day. There are clouds in everyone's sky. The weather may make certain activities more challenging, such as flying a kite in a hurricane, but also informs us that the kite is best saved for flying on a more gently windy day.

Astrological aspects strictly speaking don't do anything for anyone. They describe you, your starting pattern.

Yes, exactly. Look at the planets and aspects as energies that can be used in various ways. They do not write our outcomes. They define the challenges not the results.[/B]

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And this is the whole point I'm trying to make, Kannon. People use it as predictive of 2 people's feelings and how the story will end which either give people false hopes or scare the **** out of them. I've seen e.g. people claiming they look to only Venus/Mars in synastry/composite for sexual attraction and if they see it sexual attraction must be there (well, it didn't work for me even for a DW and I still can't understand why). I know there must be other things going on, which means to say one aspect doesn't tell it all.

Also seen many that say you must have Sun/Moon in synastry or this isn't a great marriage potential relationship... Sun/Moon has also not worked for me. Moon-Moon worked for me instead.

The "breakup" aspects I'm referring to synastry and composite. People take these as predictive that this couple won't last... he will dump her/she will dump him etc.. Also the so-called "cheating" aspects (same thing)... I see these predictions being made and feel quite disturbed. This is "divination" imo. That's why I brought up my parents' example of their Uranus aspects in composite - square Sun & Mars and my brother's Neptune square Mars composite with his wife. Nothing unstable about my parents' r/s. Neither of them are Uranian but my mom exhibits a more Uranian behaviour. And my brother didn't cheat.

So I just want to know what have proven true for people and what have not, according to traditional readings.

posted December 21, 2018 12:25 AM            

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Originally posted by HelixID:
I'm assuming you're talking about composite charts. While I'm no expert on composites, I believe that the composite charts show the nature of the relationship, the high and lows. But the progressed composite planets show action, especially the progressed composite Moon.
A couple may have this stellium but they might not have favourable composite progressions. Even two people who are not together might have this stellium but if composite progressions don't indicate a kick off, they are probably never going to get together.

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I've been looking at pComposite but I'm not skilled in that. I only know that pComposite shows where the couple is right now but it doesn't override the actual Composite. Do you specifically look at the pMoon?

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Originally posted by HelixID:
It matters a lot who the Sun and who the Moon person is!
If the Moon person is MALE and the Sun person is FEMALE - great!
If it's the other way around, then they might get along well but it's nothing out of the ordinary.
The Moon in a female's chart doesn't have the same meaning as the Moon in a male's chart. Yes, sure, the Moon shows our emotional makeup but in a male chart it also shows what he wants in a woman.

The female Sun in the same sign as the male Moon is the ideal woman to the man. Her Sun - her CORE - matches the ideal that the male Moon wants.

And if it's the other way around, what does it show exactly? That the female Moon is understanding of the male Sun (core)?
Not really sexy.

The same goes for female Mars/male Sun - great. What she finds sexy (Mars), he is to the core (Sun). It also works the other way around because Mars and Sun are MALE signifiers. Just the way it doesn't matter whose Venus conjuncts whose Moon, since these are FEMALE signifiers.

The luminaries are both important for both sexes but still, the Sun describes the male a little bit more than it does with a female.

Male Venus conjunct female Sun is also better than the other way around.

When it comes to Venus/Mars interaspects we have the female/male issue again. But actually, in this case it's better if the female is Venus and the Mars male, if it matters at all.
Female Moon conjunct male Mars is way hotter though.

Other guaranteed attraction factors are female Asc conjunct male Venus, female Sun conjunct male Asc, Asc and Dsc ruler conjunct, Asc ruler conjunct the other's Desc.

None of them can hold up a relationship on their own, though.
Ideally, you would want as many as possible of these configurations above.

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Now I see these as theoretical, and that's why I started this thread. So far Sun/Moon has not worked for me no matter I'm the Sun or Moon. One recent example, I've a Taurus Sun and I've a very close guy friend who has a Taurus Moon. His Venus also matches my Mars. But there's no romantic attraction. We've both wondered if we should date and we even tried kissing once. No spark. So eventually we dropped the idea and remain friends.

I'm seriously trying to find an answer to this...why we don't "feel" for each other? There must be other things going on other than Sun/Moon, Venus/Mars... I don't have his birth time so I can't be sure.

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Originally posted by HelixID:
I have seen quite a few long term relationships with hard Uranus interaspects. If both people are Uranian, then they can handle it. It's more difficult if only person is. Especially for people with Uranus on their own Descendant.

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My parents have Uranus square Sun/Mars in composite. My mom has Uranus on her descendent and she can't stay at home. She's everywhere doing everything + she has a Gemini Moon. My dad isn't Uranian at all (he's plutonic) but he gave my mom lotsa freedom.

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Originally posted by HelixID:
It doesn't always have to be infidelity but the Mars person idealizes the Neptune person more often than not. And this in a way, is also deception, although self-inflicted.

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posted December 21, 2018 12:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I'm seriously trying to find an answer to this...why we don't "feel" for each other? There must be other things going on other than Sun/Moon, Venus/Mars... I don't have his birth time so I can't be sure.

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I've always overlooked it although I constantly kept on hearing this: you need to look at and observe the natals first.

I remember thinking the same as you. Like it's confusing. Perhaps I assume this guy likes me cuz of this and that aspect when I remember that I have the same with this other guy I can't stand or whatever.

posted December 21, 2018 01:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
I've always overlooked it although I constantly kept on hearing this: you need to look at and observe the natals first.

I remember thinking the same as you. Like it's confusing. Perhaps I assume this guy likes me cuz of this and that aspect when I remember that I have the same with this other guy I can't stand or whatever.

It's still tough given the scenario, cuz I might overlook stuff in his chart given that I'm not that guy and am not in his mindset. But I think it's best to put yourself in the position of the others' chart and imagine yourself being that person, and viewing your chart in the light of that person.

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It's true... start with the natal and answers are usually hidden there although I haven't learned all the linkages, say for example, is it possible for someone who's usually emotional and attached to behave like a free spirit with another because of what they have in synastry & composite? I know I behave differently in different relationships because I reflect how they treat me back at them. It could also be the Neptunian in me - I intuit and morph.

posted December 21, 2018 01:43 AM            

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Originally posted by HelixID:
@Lerena
You said that you have a Gemini Moon in H8.
Do you have a Scorpio Ascendant or are there some sign interceptions going on in your chart?
Because what you attribute to a silly biquintile (sorry), can be most likely explained by the Ascendant in Scorpio (plus the Asc ruler Pluto, if you belong to the Pluto in Scorpio generation) or simply by the fact that your Moon is in H8, which is the natural house of Scorpio.
You tell us.

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My Ascendant is in Scorpio and I'm part of the Pluto in Scorpio generation. Pluto is also conjunct my Ascendant. The point of my post was not that the bi-quintile is the main thing responsible. It's that seemingly unimportant details can still have an impact when everything adds up. I think my post poorly phrases why I brought up the bi-quintile in the first place. Even though I never meant the bi-quintile was able to do that on its own, that's exactly what my post sounds like it's saying and that's my fault for not being clear enough. Admittedly, I still stick by my point that minor aspects have their impact and it's how they support the chart that gives it the impact. On their own, as minor implies, not much is really felt, so they have to add up to mean anything.

When nothing major stands out, there isn't much that can be used to determine what's going on. With my example, there are honestly other major things going on that do show up before anyone would bother with my bi-quintile. I don't think anything in my chart can be used to properly demonstrate my point, because I have so many major things going on and I know there are more dominant examples of anything I say about my chart in relation to a minor aspect.

posted December 21, 2018 02:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
It's true... start with the natal and answers are usually hidden there although I haven't learned all the linkages, say for example, is it possible for someone who's usually emotional and attached to behave like a free spirit with another because of what they have in synastry & composite? I know I behave differently in different relationships because I reflect how they treat me back at them. It could also be the Neptunian in me - I intuit and morph.

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I get it. I'd think that if they bring about a trait that you have within your yin realm then you'd probably like it.

Say someone's wild and erratic but those who know him know that he has an emotional and very sensitive streak to him. So if his partner will bring about that aspect, it might feel pretty comforting. Unless his moon is maybe in hard aspect to Saturn where he wants to keep his emotions contained and someone bringing about that part of him will just make him feel uncomfortable.

posted December 21, 2018 02:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
I'd consider minor aspects and declinations. Most cookbook interpretations stick to the major aspects: the conjunction, opposition, square, trine, and sextile and ignore any aspect that isn't one of these.

Example. I have Moon in Gemini in 8th house. Gemini Moons are supposedly light-hearted and superficial. Talking to them is easy, because their need for variety and mental stimulation means they know about a wide range of topics and can communicate with almost anyone.

What I just said isn't true for me. My emotions are deep, complex, and intense. This isn't what you hear about Gemini Moons. You hear Gemini Moons are uncomfortable with feelings and prefer to intellectualize them. Yes, my Moon is still in Gemini, but the depth, the intensity, the complexity is not associated with Gemini at all. With me, my intensity and complexity are taken to extremes and I often very rarely hit a middle ground. I'm into heavy topics and what I think about tends to hit dark territory at times.

So, why is my Moon in Gemini in 8th house manifesting like this? In my chart, Moon in Gemini makes a bi-quintile with Pluto in Scorpio. Most sources would not list my Moon and Pluto being in aspect, because the bi-quintile is a minor aspect and it's easy to write off minor aspects when there's so little information out there about them and they generally aren't as major.

Minor aspects are usually left out of the chart altogether on most chart calculation sites. Astro has some minor aspects on there, but Astro doesn't actually have all minor aspects.

In general, the entire chart must be taken into consideration. On the other hand, the cookbook often has very simplistic interpretations. It's not easy nor realistic to go super in-depth with all the possibilities, because each chart is different and there are so many combinations that can potentially manifest in the same way. Free will is also a thing. Changing your nature is challenging, but it can be done.

Astrology is spot-on for me. I'm starting to flesh out my chart beyond just the cookbook.

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What does Pluto biquintile Moon means in natal? I have the quintile and it means that I understand human complexities well which makes me a good counsellor. Sounds like me even though my Sag moon actually doesn't like dealing with heavy emotions. I can relate to both though... at times I really don't like to deal with emotions... but at times I can be an excellent counsellor and listening ear.

posted December 21, 2018 02:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
I get it. I'd think that if they bring about a trait that you have within your yin realm then you'd probably like it.

Say someone's wild and erratic but those who know him know that he has an emotional and very sensitive streak to him. So if his partner will bring about that aspect, it might feel pretty comforting. Unless his moon is maybe in hard aspect to Saturn where he wants to keep his emotions contained and someone bringing about that part of him will just make him feel uncomfortable.

Say if someone has a Uranus-Moon aspect... But his Sun is in Capricorn conjunct Mars in the tenth house... He'll naturally feel as if his purpose is to be a hard working entrepreneur probably. Then along comes this woman and brings about this wild side in him... So yeah he'd act different with this woman, but it's something that is within his psyche still.

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posted December 21, 2018 03:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Say if he doesn't have any Uranus hard aspects in natal? Possible to still develop a sudden wild or free spirited side?

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I think it's not only Uranus per se. Sometimes we forget to look at actual signs. Like sometimes I forget that my Gemini moon has similar tendencies to a Uranus-Moon as far as changeability or whatever.

Also, say this guy I like projects very strong Sagittarian traits (as far as 'knowing' stuff). He has no personal planets in Sagittarius. Hypatia brought it to the forefront... His ninth house ruler Mercury conjunct his fifth house cusp. That'll have his Jupiterian tendencies with Mercury which is the mind technically find joy (fifth house) in learning. So see, it's really complex.

Perhaps the ruler of one of his angles or personal planets sit in the eleventh or aspects Uranus.

Perhaps his NN. (something that's not inherent but attractive to a person nonetheless)

posted December 21, 2018 04:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
I think it's not only Uranus per se. Sometimes we forget to look at actual signs. Like sometimes I forget that my Gemini moon has similar tendencies to a Uranus-Moon as far as changeability or whatever.

Also, say this guy I like projects very strong Sagittarian traits (as far as 'knowing' stuff). He has no personal planets in Sagittarius. Hypatia brought it to the forefront... His ninth house ruler Mercury conjunct his fifth house cusp. That'll have his Jupiterian tendencies with Mercury which is the mind technically find joy (fifth house) in learning. So see, it's really complex.

Perhaps the ruler of one of his angles or personal planets sit in the eleventh or aspects Uranus.

Perhaps his NN. (something that's not inherent but attractive to a person nonetheless)

Or for all you know, that person acting Uranian has completely different intentions. Like to him he may just be riding along and getting his Leon attention. You know?

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posted December 21, 2018 06:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Wanna post his chart? (You're referring to the guy you're involved with now or...?)

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posted December 21, 2018 11:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Yup yup..is he consider Uranian?

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posted December 21, 2018 11:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I've been looking at pComposite but I'm not skilled in that. I only know that pComposite shows where the couple is right now but it doesn't override the actual Composite. Do you specifically look at the pMoon?

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Progressions are not about overriding the radix composite.
Let's say a couple has Sun conjunct Venus in the H4. They probably like their home life a lot, maybe like decorating their living space, maybe their families get along well etc. There are many meanings for H4 as there are with any house.

Now the progressed composite Moon opposes the radix composite conjunction. What could that possibly mean? Different things I guess. One might be that they finally buy their own house.
What if the progressed composite Moon squares radix composite Uranus before it opposes the conjunction? In that case they might divorce and although the progressed opposition to the conjunction will eventually complete, it will have no meaning since the couple is not together anymore or it could mean they will make up after initially getting divorced.

When our progressed composite Moon opposed our composite fourth house ruler Mercury, my boyfriend and I moved in together.

Just take the composites with your ex-partners and look if the progressed composite Moon triggered certain events over the course of those relationships.

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Now I see these as theoretical, and that's why I started this thread. So far Sun/Moon has not worked for me no matter I'm the Sun or Moon. One recent example, I've a Taurus Sun and I've a very close guy friend who has a Taurus Moon. His Venus also matches my Mars. But there's no romantic attraction. We've both wondered if we should date and we even tried kissing once. No spark. So eventually we dropped the idea and remain friends.

I'm seriously trying to find an answer to this...why we don't "feel" for each other? There must be other things going on other than Sun/Moon, Venus/Mars... I don't have his birth time so I can't be sure.

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I have to disagree here, it's not just theoretical but as I said one interaspect alone won't do it.
But let's take your example with you being the Sun and the guy being the Moon.
Why did you even contemplate being together, I'm sure you don't do this with every guy you know - probably because of this aspect above. I assume he initiated it since it's his Moon that is aspected by your Sun, provided there are no aspects that would show you being attracted to him as well.
But that conjunction alone isn't enough.

In synastry I always look for hard interaspects (conjunction, square, opposition). They are more powerful than the easy ones, especially the conjunction.

You could look at five strong (married) couples you know and see how many of the following aspects you'll find in their synastry:

- Sun in the same sign as partner's Asc
- Sun in the same sign as partner's Dsc ruler
- Sun in the same sign as partner's Mars
- Asc ruler in the same sign as partner's Descendant
- Asc ruler in the same sign as partner's Descendant ruler
- opposite Ascendants
- Moon in the same sign as partner's Venus
- male Moon in the same sign as female Sun
- male Venus in the same sign as female Moon
- Moons in the same sign
- Moons square each other
- Moon square Venus
- Moon in hard aspect with Mars
- male Venus in the same sign as female Ascendant
- Mars in hard aspect with Saturn
- natal planets in one's H7, while the partner has those planets in their natal H1 or in hard aspect with their own Ascendant ruler

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
My parents have Uranus square Sun/Mars in composite. My mom has Uranus on her descendent and she can't stay at home. She's everywhere doing everything + she has a Gemini Moon. My dad isn't Uranian at all (he's plutonic) but he gave my mom lotsa freedom.

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So is any of your parents Uranian?
Having Uranus on the Descendant does not make one Uranian but want someone with Uranian energy, in this case your mother.

Does your father have any of these:
- Sun, Asc, Asc ruler in Aquarius
- Uranus in H1
- Asc ruler in hard aspect with Uranus
- H11 ruler in H1

Is your mother the first marriage for your father or did they live for long periods apart from each other?
Because having Uranus on the Descendant often points to a divorced partner or living apart from your partner.

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How about in Composite?

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As with anything in composite it shows potential setbacks, positive energy or stabilizing factors.
Again, I would look at the progressed composite Moon and also at the houses Mars and Neptune rule in the composite.
I wouldn't expect infidelity if Mars rules the third house in the composite and squares Neptune but it could still point to one of the partners being a compulsive liar or the overall communication being harsh and deceptive from both sides.

posted December 21, 2018 11:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Already forgot... Wanna post it again?

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posted December 22, 2018 01:16 AM            

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Originally posted by HelixID:
Progressions are not about overriding the radix composite.
Let's say a couple has Sun conjunct Venus in the H4. They probably like their home life a lot, maybe like decorating their living space, maybe their families get along well etc. There are many meanings for H4 as there are with any house.

Now the progressed composite Moon opposes the radix composite conjunction. What could that possibly mean? Different things I guess. One might be that they finally buy their own house.
What if the progressed composite Moon squares radix composite Uranus before it opposes the conjunction? In that case they might divorce and although the progressed opposition to the conjunction will eventually complete, it will have no meaning since the couple is not together anymore or it could mean they will make up after initially getting divorced.

When our progressed composite Moon opposed our composite fourth house ruler Mercury, my boyfriend and I moved in together.

Just take the composites with your ex-partners and look if the progressed composite Moon triggered certain events over the course of those relationships.

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What is the orb you look at? When I met my guy, pMoon was conjunct our composite 11H Jupiter at 4° (we met through a friend and it was a night of spontaneous fun). pMoon was also in sextile to our 1H stellium but the orb is probably too wide (6°+).

Since 4mths ago, pMoon starts to form a sextile to composite Saturn and quincunx Uranus. What I observed is we started to go through some turbulence that threatens to break us up but somehow we have also glued in a tighter emotional bond with the relationship taking on a more serious tone. pMoon is also going to closely quincunx True Node soon... I wonder what that will bring?

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Originally posted by HelixID:
I have to disagree here, it's not just theoretical but as I said one interaspect alone won't do it.
But let's take your example with you being the Sun and the guy being the Moon.
Why did you even contemplate being together, I'm sure you don't do this with every guy you know - probably because of this aspect above. I assume he initiated it since it's his Moon that is aspected by your Sun, provided there are no aspects that would show you being attracted to him as well.
But that conjunction alone isn't enough.

In synastry I always look for hard interaspects (conjunction, square, opposition). They are more powerful than the easy ones, especially the conjunction.

You could look at five strong (married) couples you know and see how many of the following aspects you'll find in their synastry:

- Sun in the same sign as partner's Asc
- Sun in the same sign as partner's Dsc ruler
- Sun in the same sign as partner's Mars
- Asc ruler in the same sign as partner's Descendant
- Asc ruler in the same sign as partner's Descendant ruler
- opposite Ascendants
- Moon in the same sign as partner's Venus
- male Moon in the same sign as female Sun
- male Venus in the same sign as female Moon
- Moons in the same sign
- Moons square each other
- Moon square Venus
- Moon in hard aspect with Mars
- male Venus in the same sign as female Ascendant
- Mars in hard aspect with Saturn
- natal planets in one's H7, while the partner has those planets in their natal H1 or in hard aspect with their own Ascendant ruler

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We do like each other but nothing more than friends... that's why we've never tried anything throughout our 10-yr friendship. We get along well and often hang out together (mostly as a group). Why we kissed is because a friend encouraged us to get together since we get along so well so we thought, "Ya, why not? And see where it takes us.." So we tried but no spark, which only serves to confirm our feelings (haha).

I don't deny this aspect shows compatibility but it doesn't necessarily show attraction and this has been my point all along. It didn't work for me IRL no matter what the theory says. I can cite you another Taurus Moon guy friend as example if you want.

My first ex has Sun/Mercury in the same sign as my Dsc which is also the same sign as my Moon and NN. His Moon is also in the same sign as my Asc & Venus and oppose my Moon. His Mars is in the same sign as my Sun/Moon midpoint. My Mars is the same sign as his NN. This is the most puzzling because we're extremely incompatible (arguments non-stop and he was very cruel to me). The relationship was short-lived and I ended up hating him.

With another 2 guys none of our signs are the same so no conjunctions. One of them has his Moon/Mercury/Venus square my Sun by sign but we have a lot of trines and sextiles between Moon-Moon, Moon-Venus, Venus-Venus, Mars-Mars etc. These 2 relationships feel much more comfortable to me and I can certainly see myself long-term with them. Attraction also strong...in fact, stronger than with my first ex. One of them we have Saturn conjunct Mars and with both we have Moon-Mars hard aspects which are in your list.

Maybe it's just me... maybe I seek a different type of relationship... but some traditional aspects didn't work for me in terms of romantic dept.

I noticed you didn't mention Moons and Venuses in harmonious aspects like trines and sextiles... aren't they compatibility factor more so than squares? I never actually get along on a deep emotional level with people whose Moons square mine actually. Oh, but you took the data from only 5 couples...

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Originally posted by HelixID:
So is any of your parents Uranian?
Having Uranus on the Descendant does not make one Uranian but want someone with Uranian energy, in this case your mother.

Does your father have any of these:
- Sun, Asc, Asc ruler in Aquarius
- Uranus in H1
- Asc ruler in hard aspect with Uranus
- H11 ruler in H1

Is your mother the first marriage for your father or did they live for long periods apart from each other?
Because having Uranus on the Descendant often points to a divorced partner or living apart from your partner.

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No to all your qns about my Dad. His only planet in Aqua is Ceres in 10H. Nothing in his 1H. His Asc ruler (Mars) does not aspect Uranus and it's in 8H. Sun in Scorpio.