posted January 29, 2019 03:25 PM            

It is always the ones who are most fragile of heart that are slow to forgive. But that's also because they love so deep.

It is hard to open up & stay vulnerable. I know. I don't know how it happened really, but I have been inlove with an Aquarian guy who has Virgo Asc/Moon for the longest time.

He has Saturn(Sag) square Venus(Pisces). So his affections are deep. But he is also extremely self protective. Very quick to withdraw when he even smells the possibility of a rebuff.

I have Venus/Saturn conjunct. And I share his concerns. But what motivates me more is being able to love someone I truly want. And say "I love you".

He on the other hand battles with this. He says he has loved me for a very long time too. Even obsessed over whom I was dating. Taking mental notes of that person and grading himself against that individual before concluding "I am a better match" Lol.

But he also tend to get angry at me so easily. Or get disappointed when I can't talk to him when he wants me to. There is a bit of subtle control over me that he wants. Aih. But we will get there.

posted January 31, 2019 05:30 PM            

I have the trine between saturn-venus. and opposition between moon-saturn. I think me being plutonian and also having aries-sagg and gemini stelliums helps me to have courage even if I recoil and feel hurt. I wanna let people in anyway.

I'm really starting to panic bc my guy has never acted this cold before. I mean, he has used his saturnian "punishment" tactics before, but he too has been quick to warm up and go on.

But today I remembered, how libra people usually won't end up things and prefers it the other making the dirty work. Like, they prefer to fade away in silence after instances like this, and you will be rememberd as the jerk in the story. Its their perfect "breaking up scenario". (he has libra venus, and 7th house stellium with Leo Dsc).

I literally feel sick and a bit panicked now. I hope his Leo sun, or saturn or anything that makes him loyal will come through and push libra away...
But it is what it is...

posted February 01, 2019 01:57 AM            

That is rad!!!(reveals age). Lol.

But I don't know what name asteroids actually mean? Could you enlighten me?

posted February 01, 2019 02:22 AM            

For you to be so anxious for a make-up with this guy suggests that he really does mean a lot to you.

Many times I think the gods sympathize so deeply with our fundamental paradoxical relationship with love.

On the one hand, we want it so badly. But then on the other hand, we push it away so many times.

So as they(gods) watch us trying to walk with the same foot we shot ourselves in,they wonder when we will ever differentiate between the admission of feeling pain vs. the protection of our pride. Because we confuse the two.

Your guy sounds like he is doing the latter to me. That he would rather sacrifice this relationship and preserve his pride than let the communication bridge be built. Well...atleast for now.

Why don't you set up a meeting to take the initiative of re-establishing contact? I know its easy for me to say from a distance. But perhaps when you are ready?

I myself have decided not to converse with the Aqua for now. We had a fallout with a date we had on Tuesday and my emotions are sky high(i knew that Pluto on my angles is not a great time to start a relationship with someone)

Suffice it to say that I gave him feedback on our day spent together and how disappointed i was that he was still so formal(after all these years of circling around each other, I thought we had moved past that).

He was aloof and a little distant on the date. And that kinda interfered with my excitement to see him. So the discussion got heated and he said he didn't understand why I was "over reacting". My top blew off!!!

I felt so angry and defensive I wanted to strangle him. But then I told him hat i need space to reevaluate my feelings. Because I think it could be that I am "overreacting". So perhaps this space would give me time.(I suspect my Pluto transits that are intensifying my feelings)

He(in typical Aqua style)replied with "thanks for letting me know".And that's where I am at now; Day 2 of "reevaluation" Lol.

Am i clearer today than I was yesterday? No. I want to get to a point of indifference. And I will not converse with him till then.

I think a part of me would have liked for him to say "reevaluation for what? I love you. We just have a misunderstanding. That is all. So i won't let you have conversations with yourself to decide whether I am the best match for you. F*** your "inner voice". I know i am best suited for you. Stop taking our connection for granted" etc.

Oh ,how that would have instantly thawed me . I would have altogether forgotten what the disagreement was about and got turned on by him on the spot

Because essentially those words are what i would have said to him(had the tables been turned). I would have asserted to him how i feel so i leave no room for doubt. I am for theatrics now and then (5th house in Leo). And i do tell him a lot that I really love him.

But hey, I guess people are different. And with Saturn in square aspect to his Venus. He will always doubt and be very weary(hence the aloofness). So this rampage of love I imagined from him was just not likely.

Oh yes, he also has Uranus/Venus square and Venus/Mars square. So there is also inherent fear of getting too close too soon. And i don't know if i can take the deep chill for that long.

Maybe sometimes love aint enough?

posted February 01, 2019 02:41 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
my current boyfriend has his sun exactly conjunct my draconic MC

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"You(your boyfriend) light up (your man's Sun)my life(your Mc)" lalala. You know the song?

posted February 01, 2019 02:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
@Hikaru29.

That is rad!!!(reveals age). Lol.

But I don't know what name asteroids actually mean? Could you enlighten me?

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Haha!

I'm still trying to figure out the significance of name asteroids but so far it seems to be saying what he is in my life (the role he plays). So far it's been really cool like his name is conjunct Chiron/Psyche in my Natal which suggests he has touched me really deeply and is both healing & pain to me. This aligns with his Chiron conjunct my Sun in synastry.

My name is the midpoint of his Sun/Mercury conjunction and trine his Dsc. Not sure how to interpret the midpoint...I occupy his mind? Lol.

The year I met him, his SR name was conjunct SR South Node in my chart and my Venus was also conjunct natal South Node.

posted February 01, 2019 09:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
"You(your boyfriend) light up (your man's Sun)my life(your Mc)" lalala. You know the song?

It was waaay before my time. But it seems to be appropriate to describe the connection here

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I don't know that song but I do feel that way about him

posted February 06, 2019 05:02 PM            

I stopped by just to reply to what you shared. I am not as good with words as you are, since english is not my language, I feel limited in my expressions.

I'm religious and in my belief, no love then the love for god can ever be sufficient. There is a part of our heart that needs to be loved and to love god. And in our struggles to fill this hole, we turn to human love. Flawed mortals who themselves have a deep hole in their hearts...

With that said, your guy sound like that type of guys who enjoys being "loved" by an other person who expresses their love for them freely and genuinly and whole heartedly as you do. They thrive on that kind of directly expressed love. But they won't give back that kind of love. They enjoy suffering and making the other suffer.. Its a sickness, I guess its an avoidant attachment style. They were not loved enough as toddlers, or not loved in the ways they needed to, or they were traumatized and lives out that trauma etc who knows...

He sounds like a jerk imo but I don't know him or you guys energies.

You sound so alike me, how you get upset and need space to sort feeling and thoughts. I would say, it may take you around 10-14 days before you have sorted it all out...

posted February 07, 2019 03:53 AM            

I'm thinking we could be drawn to people who match our Draco chart but is that true compatibility?

posted February 07, 2019 07:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
Aries23 I had to lay low bc I get so paranoid when I write here lol. As if he could find this forum and I would be exposed or something.

I stopped by just to reply to what you shared. I am not as good with words as you are, since english is not my language, I feel limited in my expressions.

I'm religious and in my belief, no love then the love for god can ever be sufficient. There is a part of our heart that needs to be loved and to love god. And in our struggles to fill this hole, we turn to human love. Flawed mortals who themselves have a deep hole in their hearts...

With that said, your guy sound like that type of guys who enjoys being "loved" by an other person who expresses their love for them freely and genuinly and whole heartedly as you do. They thrive on that kind of directly expressed love. But they won't give back that kind of love. They enjoy suffering and making the other suffer.. Its a sickness, I guess its an avoidant attachment style. They were not loved enough as toddlers, or not loved in the ways they needed to, or they were traumatized and lives out that trauma etc who knows...

He sounds like a jerk imo but I don't know him or you guys energies.

You sound so alike me, how you get upset and need space to sort feeling and thoughts. I would say, it may take you around 10-14 days before you have sorted it all out...

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I am quick to forgive. It takes me 2-3 days tbh. I like reunions and reconciliations.

I have decided to friendzone things with the Aquarian. And i feel much better already. Because I told him that I don't think that he can reciprocate my feelings in a way that I feel validates his love for me. That his approach is too aloof for me.

Then he asked if I doubted his feelings?And i said that even the most well meaning porcupine can't help but be prickly. Its not his fault. I just want more.

In truth, I think we would make better friends than lovers. We have a beautiful mental connection. Its just that the romantic stuff complicates things. And I hate complications.

I fare better with Libra when it comes to romance. They seem to just "get it". Its been an uphill with the Aquarian and my calves are shot.

posted February 07, 2019 07:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
@Aries23,
So with all said, do you value Draco-Tropical or Tropical-Tropical synastry more (IF you have to pick one above the other)?

I'm thinking we could be drawn to people who match our Draco chart but is that true compatibility?

Case scenario: If you meet 2 people - one with great Tropical-Tropical synastry with you but not Draco-Tropical; another one match you Draco-Tropical amazingly but not Tropical-Tropical, who will you choose?

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I think the Tropical-Tropical still retains its importance. I have never disputed that. It's just that the Draconic adds an outstanding layer that I find telling. Especially when considering the tight orbs between Tropical and Draco.

So which would i take more seriously? I would take the person whom i have a very beautiful connection with(barring peaking at the Draco or Tropical synastry). As astrology does not suppose anything. It just suggests a possibility.

But i kid you not when i say, if the connection made feels rare, unusual or very hard to let go of etc. I would look at Tropical to Draco as having the most telling connection with tight orbs.

The Aquarian I spoke of with Melinn above is such an example. We have tight Draco-Tropical connections that are hard to shake off.

Draco Uranus(me) conjunct his natal asc(exact)
Draco Venus(me) conjunct natal Moon(exact)
Draco Mars(his) conjunct my natal Sun(exact)
Draco Moon(me) conjunct his natal Jupiter(exact)
Draco Pluto(me) oppose his natal Sun(exact)

posted February 07, 2019 12:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
So which would i take more seriously? I would take the person whom i have a very beautiful connection with(barring peaking at the Draco or Tropical synastry). As astrology does not suppose anything. It just suggests a possibility.

But i kid you not when i say, if the connection made feels rare, unusual or very hard to let go of etc. I would look at Tropical to Draco as having the most telling connection with tight orbs.

The Aquarian I spoke of with Melinn above is such an example. We have tight Draco-Tropical connections that are hard to shake off.

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I just read what you said about the Aquarian. It sounds like a frustrating situation. Is he unsure of his feelings? Or afraid to love?

I'm having an equally frustrating situation with my Venus conjunct Saturn guy. I don't know how he truly feels... My ex also has Venus conjunct Saturn... I also feel the same way about him. Does Venus-Saturn individuals have a hard time showing love?

posted February 08, 2019 01:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I just read what you said about the Aquarian. It sounds like a frustrating situation. Is he unsure of his feelings? Or afraid to love?

I'm having an equally frustrating situation with my Venus conjunct Saturn guy. I don't know how he truly feels... My ex also has Venus conjunct Saturn... I also feel the same way about him. Does Venus-Saturn individuals have a hard time showing love?

Back to Draco-Tropical, I feel that it explains a lot about the unusual, can't let go, we're meant to be together feeling. Some of the conjunctions you have with him are really nice, esp Venus/Moon, Moon/Jupiter, Sun/Mars.

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Yes. The Venus-Saturn individual can often believe in being minimalistic i.e a smirk is a smile. A shoulder rub is a hug. "I would like to spend time with you for the rest of my life" is a proposal etc.

They find the use of the "l" words redundant many times. And even talking about feelings as "awkward". But that's only because some genuinely don't know how to express themselves well. Whilst others find such types of expressions "frivolous".

But what they often do not understand and often underappreciate or underestimate, is how necessary those "frivolous" tokens of affections are to the people that they care about.

It IS very necessary and very important for those that you claim to love to "feel" it. And so, it is worthwhile to read how the other partner "receives" or decodes love/like affirmations BEFORE starting to assume that they know how you feel (a fallable presumptive stance by many of them).

So you need to tell them and encourage them to make you feel loved. And that it is sometimes not enough to just "say the words". Because we all have different ways of internalizing "I like you" or "I love you"

I didn't relaize how painful this can be for the other party until i got involved with a Venus/Saturn square person myself. I became the partner on to whom such stifled affections were projected. And it bites!

So you need to let them know your love language. And have them be vigilant to respond in ways that affirm to you what they say they feel for you i.e

1.Are you a person who responds to words of affirmation? "I need you" ."You mean the world to me". " I choose you each and every single time."

2.Are you a person who likes physical touching? Hugs, kisses, spooning or the like?

3.Are you a person who likes your partner to action small acts of service? Do the laundry, take out the trash, run small errands for you or do something thoughtful for you?

4.Are you a person who is affirmed by gifts or tokens of affection? A small teddy bear? Flowers? Jewellery? Objects that symbolize love?

5. Is quality time with each other what turns you on ? Date nights,picnics together, activities done with just the two of you?

Your language of love could be one or more of these. But you have to know your "L" spot because you can't expect another to love you in a manner that you have not brought them into awareness of.

The Moon sign often correlates with what we "decode" love as being. Whilst Venus sign often gravitates to what we "gift" others as our token of love.

So with Venus-Saturn, the individual may do "Acts of service" to show you their affection. But you don't speak that language, its Bulgarian to you. What you decode as affection is quality time spent together (often Moon in water/Taurus love language) and physical touching etc.

So you two are not speaking the same language. And misunderstandings or feeling "unloved" is likely to happen as a result of this.

And back to your 2nd comment.

I think Draco-Natal feels very familiar. Like the person is "home" to you.

But be careful as "home" does not always mean "meant to be" as I think the only thing that all of us are "meant to be" ,is happy. That is all. And some "homes" weren't exactly "happy" i.e abusive, manipulative, oppressive, power plays etc.

So when someone is familiar to us but surfacing shadow emotions within us, the connection could be more detrimental than good. And such a connection may feel "fated" on one hand. But thats only because it feels like "been there done that" on the other hand.

That is why I say that with all synastry, individual awareness is important. Be first aware of your trigger points and vulnerable areas BEFORE you enter a relationship. And to never be in a position that expects another to "complete" you.

So if you know yourself to be someone who is desperately in need of affection from another and feels very insecure if the affection is slow in coming etc. Dont be in a relationship with someone emotionally unavailable, a person who seems inconsistent or unsettled etc. As the more "demanding" you get, the more distant they become etc.

Such people are very easy to identify ie. They don't have long term relationships with anyone, they don't keep a schedule, they change their story often,they barely stay in one place, they are seldom available on the phone or in person, they have no ties to a job or place of residence,they disappear and reappear constantly etc.

On the other hand, if you are in a relationship that you feel at your best in i.e its light, its humorous, its engaging, it brings out your more "sunny" disposition(the sun is the ruler of soulful joy) and is very intimate(venus is sensual/physical joy) etc.

posted February 08, 2019 01:37 AM            

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I've always noticed that I like vocalists who tend to have Capricorn Moons (Like Shirley Ann Manson from Garbage and Stevie Nicks from Fleetwood Mac). They are usually conjunct my draconic Cap Moon at 17 degrees. Only thing I've really picked out though.

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Hey. Your Draco Moon opposes my natal Moon,conj natal Mercury/Mc and squares natal Asc/Mars.

Interestingly, it also squares my Draco Sun/Neptune in Libra. Hmmmm.

Do you have connections with people closer? Say family? I read something you said about having a brother or Dad. I think look to their Draconic to your natal and vice versa. And you may find stuff.

posted February 08, 2019 03:21 AM            

My ex also has Moon square Uranus so he was quite "detached" at times, in/out of my life at one period. He was sweet in other areas like acts of service which I appreciated but I had wanted more consistent affection & attention. I took initiative at times but he kept aloof, then when I pulled back he would reappear wanting my attention.

This went back & forth a few times until I eventually cut off all contact with him. It was very painful, like you said, because I spent years believing I wasn't loved.

With the current guy he's more affectionate but lately he has been sending me mixed signals. I know he's going through a rough time now and I tried to be there for him but he's building a wall...holding me at arm's length...said a lot of things to me. I left him alone, then he asked if I don't care about him.

I'm confused but I'm still keeping out because whenever I go near he pushes me away and it hurts. We'll see how it goes...

I agree that feeling like "home" doesn't mean feeling happy. I can at least tell this difference, lol. This guy is the only one so far I feel most at home with. I believe if we were living in an alternate universe without the worries impeding us, we would be very happy. He has made me happy in many ways but what sucks is there are many complexities in a relationship.

posted February 08, 2019 03:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
ˆˆI'm big on physical affection and quality time. Nothing to do with my Moon, seems more to do with my Taurus Sun.

My ex also has Moon square Uranus so he was quite "detached" at times, in/out of my life at one period. He was sweet in other areas like acts of service which I appreciated but I had wanted more consistent affection & attention. I took initiative at times but he kept aloof, then when I pulled back he would reappear wanting my attention.

This went back & forth a few times until I eventually cut off all contact with him. It was very painful, like you said, because I spent years believing I wasn't loved.

With the current guy he's more affectionate but lately he has been sending me mixed signals. I know he's going through a rough time now and I tried to be there for him but he's building a wall...holding me at arm's length...said a lot of things to me. I left him alone, then he asked if I don't care about him.

I'm confused but I'm still keeping out because whenever I go near he pushes me away and it hurts. We'll see how it goes...

I agree that feeling like "home" doesn't mean feeling happy. I can at least tell this difference, lol. This guy is the only one so far I feel most at home with. I believe if we were living in an alternate universe without the worries impeding us, we would be very happy. He has made me happy in many ways but what sucks is there are many complexities in a relationship.

I have on various other threads mentioned that I value real-life interactions more than anything else. For me astrology as ALWAYS been a tool to understand the dynamics better. It isn't my dating bible.

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Yes Taurus Sun people I have dated have been the most affectionate. And I like that. . My Chiron in Taurus needs all that affection

And I also agree with Moon/Uranus being push/pull. Don't get romantic with them. Friendship is the best avenue for them. Aqua Sun is the same, the same, the same.I just friendzoned the one i was having problems with. Now i cam sleep peacefully at night.

Sometimes s*** happens in life that makes communication and emotional openness difficult. So often men(mostly) struggle to incorporate their partner when they feel like the whole world is on their shoulders.

And to be honest, on my side I think that its because they dont feel at their best. So less"sexy" etc. The irony of course is that the very person whom can help them rememberel whom they really really are, they push away. Aih!

Just be as supportive as you can. And try to not take the "pulling away" too personally.

posted February 08, 2019 05:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Yes Taurus Sun people I have dated have been the most affectionate. And I like that. . My Chiron in Taurus needs all that affection

And I also agree with Moon/Uranus being push/pull. Don't get romantic with them. Friendship is the best avenue for them. Aqua Sun is the same, the same, the same.I just friendzoned the one i was having problems with. Now i cam sleep peacefully at night.

Sometimes s*** happens in life that makes communication and emotional openness difficult. So often men(mostly) struggle to incorporate their partner when they feel like the whole world is on their shoulders.

And to be honest, on my side I think that its because they dont feel at their best. So less"sexy" etc. The irony of course is that the very person whom can help them rememberel whom they really really are, they push away. Aih!

Just be as supportive as you can. And try to not take the "pulling away" too personally.

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OMG, you have a Taurus Chiron! So does my guy. Pls share how you feel when it's conjunct someone's Sun. I've been wondering if we'll end up deeply hurting each other.

You're right to "friend-zone" your Aquarian. It's really tiring, all these mind games.

posted February 08, 2019 06:38 AM            

In my chart however, Chiron Taurus widely opposes Venus(its ruler). So there is pain associated with affection(amplified since the sign ruler of Chiron aspects it ). My language of love to others is mostly physical affection. But i want it back(Venus rules the 7th).

With your guy, you could look at what aspects Chiron makes to personal planets. Chiron-Mars aspects makes anger come quickly and an acute awareness of injustice,Chiron-Venus(like me) sensitizes one to interelations and managing conflict therein whilst Chiron-Moon surfaces insecurities and feelings of being abandoned etc.