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Dumuzi
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posted February 03, 2019 07:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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^ Doesn't mean you simply kill them off tho, tho I totally get why the father killed the guy, perhaps I'd do the same if I was the father in the situation, maybe I'd not kill, but just chop off his d!ck, but that'd prolly set him on an even more extreme path when it comes to children, so killing him wud perhaps be the better option compared to that.

I agree with Dons, there's a man/woman hidden behind the monsters.

From what I've seen and experienced upclose, I think it's energy gone wrong somewhere, perhaps thru limitations set by the circumstances, and energy does need a way out, this or that way it finds a way out any way, anyhow.

I feel the state of the society as it is wouldn't be able to create an environment to let them heal tho.


i wouldn't agree with the state killing them off, i don't think systems should be given that sort of power over anyone

but if they offend and the victim or someone close to the victim kills them i think the state should look the other way

their energy is that of an abuser sexually attracted to children ultimately, yes there's a person under there i've said as much but like i said there's a point where sentiment towards people like that is harmful to their victims

like i said empathy is all well and good, but there's a point where acting with only it in mind is detrimental for society as a whole

there's no proof it can actually be treated or controlled

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Dons2angelss
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posted February 03, 2019 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think the people themselves are the monster, they're living with one. I can see both but you have to be able to draw a very hard line between the person and their shadow like you said. They're still 100% responsible for all of their actions, just like everyone else. If people define pedophilia as a sexuality, we know we can't change that. Like you said, people who are gay/bi whichever they identify with, have been shamed, put through conversion therapy, etc. But they're still who they are deep down. We're making the world a safer place for them because it's two consenting adults making those decisions. That's not the case here, we can't accept this as a healthy expression of sexuality. So what do you do? Studies show the more a person offends, the higher a chance they'll do it again. That's why I was leaning towards helping them before they act out. Calling it a sexuality doesn't change the fact that there's still always a victim and that's where that line is drawn. So how do we keep them from crossing that line? And once they do, we put them in jail (obviously, for good reason), but they'll be out one day and back into society and there's nothing available to those people to help them not go down that road again. Like a sponsor maybe? Personally, I think it's a mental, and emotional issue within the person. Or lack of connect between the two.

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Dons2angelss
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posted February 03, 2019 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We've totally hijacked this post btw lol. It should be called, what makes someone a pedophile?

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charlie
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posted February 03, 2019 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wouldn’t FIRE entail not being void of feelings? Fire signs, to me, are very forward with their feelings.

I’ve met one weirdo in my life and was leaning towards being sadistic. He, among other things, wanted to keep women on a leash (yes, real dog leash and collar) and walk around with them while he told them to sit/lay down/eat etc

He was ALL air! Heavy Libra stellium (Sun, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter, Uranus,Pluto) , Aqua Moon + Mars.

Extremely intelligent with computers but yeah, not so much with the “human/humane” stuff..

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hypatia238
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posted February 03, 2019 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dons2,

There is a theory from evolutionary psychology that pedofilia is the result of a mechanicasm in the body that is adaptive overfunctioning hence becoming maladaptive so something is malfunctioning hence why someone would find a child attractive who is not in their reproductive years so yes I feel something biologically is malfunctioning and I dont think we know how to fix that. Also been a victim of trauma yourself may possibly result in a disruption in normal sexual development in some, leading to the biological mechanism that picks up on cues of who to mate with malfunctioning too.

Treatment would be a harm reduction approach bc if what is happening is due to a biological malfunctioning we don't know how to fix you can't make someone stop been attracted to children if that is what they feel a strong attraction to and with harm reduction the risk is always there they will offend again.

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Dumuzi
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posted February 04, 2019 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
I don't think the people themselves are the monster, they're living with one. I can see both but you have to be able to draw a very hard line between the person and their shadow like you said. They're still 100% responsible for all of their actions, just like everyone else. If people define pedophilia as a sexuality, we know we can't change that. Like you said, people who are gay/bi whichever they identify with, have been shamed, put through conversion therapy, etc. But they're still who they are deep down. We're making the world a safer place for them because it's two consenting adults making those decisions. That's not the case here, we can't accept this as a healthy expression of sexuality. So what do you do? Studies show the more a person offends, the higher a chance they'll do it again. That's why I was leaning towards helping them before they act out. Calling it a sexuality doesn't change the fact that there's still always a victim and that's where that line is drawn. So how do we keep them from crossing that line? And once they do, we put them in jail (obviously, for good reason), but they'll be out one day and back into society and there's nothing available to those people to help them not go down that road again. Like a sponsor maybe? Personally, I think it's a mental, and emotional issue within the person. Or lack of connect between the two.

separating people from the worst parts of themselves as if those parts dont exist within the whole doesnt make much sense to me

there is no hard line, it's all part of who they are

it isnt all that's there but it's definitely not some separate entity

my point with it being a sexuality if it is one is that repressing sexuality often doesn't work for anyone, and is unlikely to even when it's undesirable

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