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Topic: Sadistic Traits in a Natal Chart
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Vradec
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posted January 26, 2019 07:31 AM
  
Hey all,I was wondering what placements and aspects might be indicative of someone have sadistic traits? I was thinking more physical but I suppose emotional too. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 27, 2019 07:15 PM
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athenegoddess
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posted January 27, 2019 07:22 PM
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Randall
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posted February 01, 2019 06:37 PM
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Ami Anne
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posted February 01, 2019 07:15 PM
Asteroid Sado.A Jupiter with a lot of hard aspect--impaired conscience Low water or water void--tends to be low in empathy but that does not mean sadism, per se. ------------------
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Dons2angelss
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posted February 01, 2019 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Asteroid Sado.A Jupiter with a lot of hard aspect--impaired conscience Low water or water void--tends to be low in empathy but that does not mean sadism, per se.
Totally agree with the water void. That's always a red flag for me. I try not to sum someone up by looking at their chart. I always put my "feelers" out first but I'm usually never wrong about this one. I find that fire dominant without water to be the worst, then air, then earth. I'll take a stubborn all earth over all fire any day!
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Ami Anne
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posted February 01, 2019 09:54 PM
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MMarie
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posted February 01, 2019 10:03 PM
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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
Totally agree with the water void. That's always a red flag for me. I try not to sum someone up by looking at their chart. I always put my "feelers" out first but I'm usually never wrong about this one. I find that fire dominant without water to be the worst, then air, then earth. I'll take a stubborn all earth over all fire any day!
I have a Fire stellium and water void but do not think I am this way. Venus in the 12th might help though.
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Dumuzi
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posted February 01, 2019 10:10 PM
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I have a Fire stellium and water void but do not think I am this way. Venus in the 12th might help though.
i have a water void and a grand fire trine and i'm not like that either i can be extremely empathetic and good at feeling people's emotions etc plenty of people tell me i understand them better than anyone so it's funny to me when people act like there's no sensitivity to be had without water, particularly because water can just indicate being preoccupied with your own emotions and sensitivities i have sun trine neptune IP: Logged |
MMarie
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posted February 02, 2019 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i have a water void and a grand fire trine and i'm not like that eitheri can be extremely empathetic and good at feeling people's emotions etc plenty of people tell me i understand them better than anyone so it's funny to me when people act like there's no sensitivity to be had without water, particularly because water can just indicate being preoccupied with your own emotions and sensitivities i have sun trine neptune
Completely agree. I am sensitive and can easily empathize sometimes to the point of taking on someone’s emotions. I think all elements can equally feel/empathize/sympathize but it’s more about how each go about expressing those feelings. IP: Logged |
Dumuzi
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posted February 02, 2019 10:08 AM
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Completely agree. I am sensitive and can easily empathize sometimes to the point of taking on someone’s emotions. I think all elements can equally feel/empathize/sympathize but it’s more about how each go about expressing those feelings.
exactly **** i know a pisces stellium who openly enjoys abusing people, and i've known plenty of scorpios who have a lot of feelings but most of them revolve around themselves cancer placements who are extremely spiteful due to their own feelings who put other people and their feelings last etc and so on being emotional doesn't at all necessarily equate with being kind IP: Logged |
MMarie
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posted February 02, 2019 10:23 AM
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exactly**** i know a pisces stellium who openly enjoys abusing people, and i've known plenty of scorpios who have a lot of feelings but most of them revolve around themselves cancer placements who are extremely spiteful due to their own feelings who put other people and their feelings last etc and so on being emotional doesn't at all necessarily equate with being kind
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Dons2angelss
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posted February 02, 2019 11:32 AM
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Very true, being emotional doesn't necessarily mean they're compassionate with others. I think with the fire dominant it tends to make them really eager about being overly empathetic. For some reason I attract fire dominant, water void men. I've had 3 serious relationships and when I looked up their charts it shocked me that they were all water void or only had one planet in a water sign. I've read that people who have an elemental void subconsciously seek out others heavy in that element to "fill" that void. I do know a woman who is a self proclaimed sociopath. Knowing her personally, I agree, I keep my distance from her now. She's fire dominant with a capricorn moon squaring pluto. Leo sun on her ascendant with mercury ecaxtly conjunct venus in the 1st. She worked as a groomer with dogs and she just took pleasure in having complete control over them and forcing them to do what she wanted. If they didn't cooperate, she'd get really hateful and throw them in a cage or hit them. She was also always the victim in every relationship. Personally, I think she chose abusive men just to play the victim card again to get sympathy from people. Completely narcissistic, no empathy for anyone. Long list of things she's done to manipulate people.... And she takes pride in it!
Interesting note, sado conjuncts her mercury/venus in the 1st. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted February 02, 2019 11:36 AM
Hypatia claps @DumuziGreat job defending 🔥 and people with water voids! Excellent points. I can't remember do you have any planets in water houses? Dumuzi you also have your chart ruler opposing moon falling on your angles, I can definitely feel your moon presence in how you come off, you are in touch with your emotions and project emotion when you speak. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted February 02, 2019 11:42 AM
Well having one planet in a water sign would result in that planet taking over in the expression of the personality in that person so is different from a water void.IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea
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posted February 02, 2019 11:58 AM
I'm not sadistic, but I do believe in justice, and just desserts. I like karma.I read an article a year or more ago about a pedophile who was molesting a man's daughter. The father found out what this adult sexual predator had done to his small daughter, and the father beat the pedophile to death with a baseball bat. The father wasn't charged. When I read that article, I just thought that father did a great service to the world. One less sexual predator. quote:
A Jupiter with a lot of hard aspect--impaired conscience
My Jupiter has many hard aspects, but I in no way have an impaired conscience. If anything, I have a **** ton more conscience than most people I've encountered, and take a lot of responsibility. Do you have any idea how apathetic and programmed the average person is? That's rhetorical, FYI. My point being, most people have issues with their conscience, so why Jupiter would magically be an indicator doesn't make sense. Alternatively, I think hard aspects to Jupiter could mean that one's conscience actively DENIES or pushes AWAY anything that could give them a lack of conscience. Perhaps it pushes away lower qualities of certain planetary influences. That's how it feels to me. IP: Logged |
Dons2angelss
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posted February 02, 2019 01:03 PM
When I read that article, I just thought that father did a great service to the world. One less sexual predator.Beating someone to death is sadistic, no matter the reasons. I understand people do horrible, awful things but in no way is beating someone to death going to help heal people from that. My 6 month old nephew was punched in the head by his paternal grandmother and cracked his skull, she did this purely to get back at my sister for leaving her son. My nephew survived and doesn't have any lasting damage, thank God, because of the quick actions of my sister and the amazing doctors that saved him. No one beat her to death because that's literally not going to help anything, it would make it worse. You say you're not a sadistic thinker but in the same breath agree that beating a person to death is perfectly acceptable. Maybe there is some merit to a harshly aspected jupiter. Even if it is only your opinions that it shadows. IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea
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posted February 02, 2019 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
When I read that article, I just thought that father did a great service to the world. One less sexual predator.Beating someone to death is sadistic, no matter the reasons. I understand people do horrible, awful things but in no way is beating someone to death going to help heal people from that. My 6 month old nephew was punched in the head by his paternal grandmother and cracked his skull, she did this purely to get back at my sister for leaving her son. My nephew survived and doesn't have any lasting damage, thank God, because of the quick actions of my sister and the amazing doctors that saved him. No one beat her to death because that's literally not going to help anything, it would make it worse. You say you're not a sadistic thinker but in the same breath agree that beating a person to death is perfectly acceptable. Maybe there is some merit to a harshly aspected jupiter. Even if it is only your opinions that it shadows.
Nah, I think that some people, men specifically, do, will, and can feel a need to kill someone who's doing something awful to their child, or to anyone they love. Sure, the way he did it was sadistic, but the point being was that there was one less sexual predator in the world.
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Dons2angelss
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posted February 02, 2019 01:47 PM
The woman I was explaining earlier who's abusive to animals has her aries jupiter conjunct chiron in the 9th opposite uranus, squaring her saturn in the 12th. If someone told me she'd been arrested for murder I wouldn't be surprised a bit. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted February 02, 2019 01:49 PM
I dont think beating someone to death bc they sexually abused your child is sadistic at all, that is called anger that was very much provoked big time. Sadism is more like Ted Bundy, he just enjoys inflicting pain period, that father doesnt enjoy inflicting pain, he is angry someone abused his daughter sexually, he is acting out of anger not bc he enjoys it and gets off of inflicting pain unto others. Dont go around sexually abusing kids, when you do thay there is a chance someone will kill you.IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea
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posted February 02, 2019 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I dont think beating someone to death bc they sexually abused your child is sadistic at all, that is called anger that was very much provoked big time. Sadism is more like Ted Bundy, he just enjoys inflicting pain period, that father doesnt enjoy inflicting pain, he is angry someone abused his daughter sexually, he is acting out out of anger not bc he enjoys and gets off of inflicting pain unto others. Dont go around sexually abusing kidswl, when you do thaylt there is a chance someone will kill you.
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Dons2angelss
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posted February 02, 2019 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Nah, I think that some people, men specifically, do, will, and can feel a need to kill someone who's doing something awful to their child, or to anyone they love. Sure, the way he did it was sadistic, but the point being was that there was one less sexual predator in the world.
I understand what you meant, the father acted in rage. I'm saying that you painted the man he beat to death in one color. I'm not defending his actions in the least, they were awful and disgusting. One less sexual predator.... You've dehumanized him. Like you mentioned before, you believe in just desserts, but you're only seeing people's actions and miss everything else going on behind them, causing you to make rash decisions based on those actions alone. You don't think the pedophile deserved any compassion because he hurt another person, so you steal his humanity to justify what was done to him. That fits the description about a negatively aspected jupiter. IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea
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posted February 02, 2019 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
[b] Nah, I think that some people, men specifically, do, will, and can feel a need to kill someone who's doing something awful to their child, or to anyone they love. Sure, the way he did it was sadistic, but the point being was that there was one less sexual predator in the world.
I understand what you meant, the father acted in rage. I'm saying that you painted the man he beat to death in one color. I'm not defending his actions in the least, they were awful and disgusting. One less sexual predator.... You've dehumanized him. Like you mentioned before, you believe in just desserts, but you're only seeing people's actions and miss everything else going on behind them, causing you to make rash decisions based on those actions alone. You don't think the pedophile deserved any compassion because he hurt another person, so you steal his humanity to justify what was done to him. That fits the description about a negatively aspected jupiter. [/B][/QUOTE] Eh I think the only one here who's got difficulty with morality and conscience is you :P What you're describing is faux empathy. People don't have to misunderstand what's going on behind him or his "humanity". Ted Bundy was a rapist and a killer. That guy was a pedo predator. Sure he could have been more. Doesn't mean we don't understand. Also, punching someone and sexual predation aren't the same or done for the same reasons. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted February 02, 2019 02:25 PM
Let me be clear I can feel bad and feel empathy for a pedaphile bc they probably were abused themselves or are victim's of their own biology malfunctioning but I completely understand if a father kills a guy who raped his 8 year old child, its natural consequences. People will defend and protect their loved ones, its instinct.IP: Logged |
Dons2angelss
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posted February 02, 2019 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Eh I think the only one here who's got difficulty with morality and conscience is you :PWhat you're describing is faux empathy. People don't have to misunderstand what's going on behind him or his "humanity". Ted Bundy was a rapist and a killer. That guy was a pedo predator. Sure he could have been more. Doesn't mean we don't understand. Also, punching someone and sexual predation aren't the same or done for the same reasons.
Do I think the father was sadistic? No, I understand he was acting in a rage. Do I think the abuser deserved to be beat to death? No, he was still a human being too, no faux empathy there. You're defending the father's actions by saying the man deserved to be beat to death. That's the difference I'm pointing out. You have a lack of empathy for the man he beat to death. "one less predator off the streets" that's all the information you needed to know about the man to justify his death and the way he died. I'm sure the father wasn't charged because he was probably deemed temporarily insane by rage, totally understandable. you agreed with him not being charged because the pedophile "deserved" it.
And hurting an innocent child is hurting an innocent child. So I'm not sure why you think someone intentionally trying kill a baby is not as bad as molesting a baby.
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