posted February 24, 2019 10:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
What's more is that there are text messages that were sent between he and his two accomplices back and forth that show intent to deceive. Wow.

Could he have underestimated the collective wave his "attack" would have on the public? And perhaps also underrated his own "celebrity" clout in thinking that perhaps his attack would have been pushed under the radar and not investigated thoroughly?

Maybe he assumed that he alone would "control" how things would unfold and keep everyone believing his story? Oh boy was he wrong.

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Well it looks like he definitely underestimated things and didn't think things through anyways which can probably be explained by transiting Uranus opposing his Jupiter. According to astro.com, the advice under this transit is to be cautious. "This is a gambler's influence, and many people respond to it by taking very long-shot risks. It makes you want to gamble, but it does not make you especially lucky."

He also has since 2018 until march this year Chiron squaring his Sun , causing a 'painful sting': There could well be a very painful argument if you react in an unconsidered manner during this time. Without warning one word leads to another until you suddenly show yourself to be hard and hostile in order to cover up one of your own weaknesses. In this way you can hurt your partner, a friend, or someone else to whom you are close, so that you greatly reproach yourself afterwards.

There is another transit that started just when he came out with his hoax story, starting in mid january this year, jupiter sextiling saturn which would make him more cautious,(During this time you approach expansion and growth from a very careful and pragmatic point of view. Everything you do, every plan you make is characterized by prudence and caution.) but I guess the effects of this transit weren't in effect yet, when he was under the uranus opp jupiter influence. But I'm sure due to this stupid mistake and these new transits as well as saturn squaring saturn, having started recently he will think things more through before he does stupid **** again.

This is a critical period in which several aspects of your life and experience will be tested, especially those that began to be important about seven years ago. Most often this influence is experienced as a sort of identity crisis in which you begin to question what you are doing. You may suffer a crisis of confidence at this time, fearing that you have made the wrong moves in life or committed yourself to some course of action that will not be good in the long run. During this period you will think about and question all the long-term trends in your life. You will not be thinking about trivial matters.

Sometimes a particular event triggers off this period of soul-searching. Others may create difficulties for you, especially in your business or professional area. Perhaps they detect the first signs of insecurity that will afflict you during this period.
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I just looked it up what started for him 7 years ago and it seems like he was a child actor , then stopped for awhile and in 2012 (7 years ago) , he returned to acting, so he will be pondering about what is going to happen with his acting career.

He also will have Jupiter sextiling Pluto this year and Uranus sextile MC (although I dont know if this transit counts for any birth time since we dont have his exact birth time?) which will make him make creative changes in his life to reform/rebirth. With Pluto, it may give him more power over people according to astro.com..

Uranus sextile MC:
Under this influence you will make creative changes in your life direction. For example, you may change jobs if this will improve your chances of getting where you want to go. You will not change simply for the sake of change. You may get a sudden promotion, but only if you show that you can take a completely different approach to the demands of the new job.

And then Uranus sextile moon as well and his nodal return, so a lot of changes coming up..

posted February 24, 2019 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i doubt she's wrong, he wouldn't have called himself "the gay tupac" if the idea of possibly using it to call attention to his sexuality and call it a hate crime existed

i thought the same thing, and there are people in the lgbt community who capitalize on that **** , someone doing what he did on the scale he did it as a publicity stunt then inserting his sexuality into the mix probably did intend on using it to some degree

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She's wrong. People have linked him to Kamala Harris, and an anti-lynching bill - trying to make out that they planned it together. That's the first thing I thought of.

posted February 24, 2019 12:49 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I don't think politics have anything to do with it. It was a dirty trick he tried to play, and he failed. That's all. I don't think there are more people out there doing it than we previously thought. Just greed at play.

Overthinking a concept when the facts don't point in that direction can lead you to inaccurate assumptions.

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posted February 24, 2019 02:34 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Wrong. I know exactly where you're going with this, and it's sad.

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Wow, so you are a mindreader now too? Perhaps you could learn to practice what you preach and be a bit more polite and stop making assumptions of what you think people are saying and going off on an illogical rant like that.

posted February 24, 2019 02:46 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
She's wrong. People have linked him to Kamala Harris, and an anti-lynching bill - trying to make out that they planned it together. That's the first thing I thought of.

Someone on another site, posted that his cousin had dealt with a hate crime before this happened, and that he was ****** , and might have wanted to call attention to that kind of thing. Whatever the reason, it was f**ked up, and he's now paying for it.

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in my opinion it was clearly about controversy, and it seems odd to mention his own sexuality unless he wanted to bring it to the table

no reason to do that unless you're crying hate crime

kamala harris dnc **** aside

posted February 24, 2019 03:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
in my opinion it was clearly about controversy, and it seems odd to mention his own sexuality unless he wanted to bring it to the table

no reason to do that unless you're crying hate crime

kamala harris dnc **** aside

edit: btw how could you say she's wrong? she didn't say what she thought it was and you don't know the full scope of the situation either

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posted February 24, 2019 03:53 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Because I know her, her politics, we have a long history together.

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enlighten me

posted February 24, 2019 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
enlighten me

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posted February 24, 2019 05:28 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Does that really belong in this thread, though? Teasel already explained her original statement.

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i'm just curious, i want to see if it at all discounts what i said about his use of his sexuality (how are "hate crimes" not political btw?) or if she's just assuming something else

saying she knows someone else's politics doesn't equate with her saying what exactly she's writing off, and if she's writing off the hate crime controversy angle i don't see why if the guy had to announce he was gay

if someone beat me up i wouldn't run around saying it had to do with me being bi (or even mentioning it) unless something was said that implied it or there was something to be gained from it

edit: aside from that she doesn't know the guy in question so her making up his exact motivations makes as much sense as anyone doing it, plenty of people do things for multiple reasons

posted February 24, 2019 05:42 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I think you're reading way too much into her reply.

If I was her, I wouldn't feed this discussion any further with you, as it doesn't seem to be headed anywhere productive. But that's just my opinion. I'll let her speak for herself on the matter.

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does this really belong in this thread though? what you would do if you were someone else has nothing to do with anything

posted February 24, 2019 07:41 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I think you're reading way too much into her reply.

If I was her, I wouldn't feed this discussion any further with you, as it doesn't seem to be headed anywhere productive. But that's just my opinion. I'll let her speak for herself on the matter.

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Thank you. He is reading too much into my reply. I'm not feeling well, and I'm not really in the mood to talk about Smollett anymore, but I might come back tomorrow.

It's good to see you, by the way. I had stopped coming here, but you've reminded me of why I shouldn't leave completely.

posted February 24, 2019 07:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
does this really belong in this thread though? what you would do if you were someone else has nothing to do with anything

she said it wasn't political, i agreed with the other chick and im failing to see why that isnt a possibility to her other than her personal feelings about who initially said that

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I told you "the other chick" and I have a history. I know her personal politics, and when you've known someone long enough, you can usually tell which way they're going with something. She could surprise me, but she hasn't so far.

I didn't say that it wasn't political. Trump supporters were brought into it, and it was pushed as a hate crime. I simply said that people have been trying to link it to Kamala Harris, who put forward an anti-lynching bill. The people who are doing this, wouldn't want to see her win the Presidency next year. I personally think they're trying to get rid of her early on, by making out that they concocted this together, in order to get her bill passed.
http://www.advocate.com/politics/2019/2/14/senate-passes-anti-lynchi ng-bill-wake-jussie-smollett-interview

If you want to continue to argue, and put me on the spot, I might come back tomorrow.

posted February 24, 2019 08:03 PM            

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Originally posted by astri:
Wow, so you are a mindreader now too? Perhaps you could learn to practice what you preach and be a bit more polite and stop making assumptions of what you think people are saying and going off on an illogical rant like that.

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Oh, I missed this before. Thank you for making me laugh. I DO practice what I preach. I was polite. I didn't tell her that she had nothing to add to this thread, I told her I think that she's wrong. If I'm wrong about what I am sure she's thinking, then so be it.

posted February 24, 2019 08:44 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I told you "the other chick" and I have a history. I know her personal politics, and when you've known someone long enough, you can usually tell which way they're going with something. She could surprise me, but she hasn't so far.

I didn't say that it wasn't political. Trump supporters were brought into it, and it was pushed as a hate crime. I simply said that people have been trying to link it to Kamala Harris, who put forward an anti-lynching bill. The people who are doing this, wouldn't want to see her win the Presidency next year. I personally think they're trying to get rid of her early on, by making out that they concocted this together, in order to get her bill passed.
http://www.advocate.com/politics/2019/2/14/senate-passes-anti-lynchi ng-bill-wake-jussie-smollett-interview

If you want to continue to argue, and put me on the spot, I might come back tomorrow.

*edit. Oh, wait, I did already explain what I was thinking at the time. SV is right. I didn't need to respond at all.

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my bad you didn't seem very clear and it sounded like the hate crime **** was separate from the lynching ****

not saying they did it together, but it is pretty funny that they referenced that "lynching" as opposed to any of the legit ones that have happened in the recent past

not that getting rid of her early would be a bad thing anyway, terrible candidate even if you somehow support the dnc (or still think that voting is somehow anything other than a pacification and division tool considering the president is largely a figurehead, the same underlying agenda plays out regardless of who's in office, and the system is set up in a way where the changes that do happen are so shakey there's not usually any time for them to be very beneficial etc and so on) so i can't exactly say that's a bad thing

posted February 24, 2019 10:39 PM            

A friend of mine shared this.

posted February 24, 2019 11:02 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
http://pagesix.com/2019/02/24/jussie-smollett-reportedly-has-evidence-to-dispute -police-claim/

A friend of mine shared this.

So it was just police assumption, not actual facts, and the brothers testified that he paid them for training. I'm waiting to see what happens - and I won't be back to argue with two people here.

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posted February 25, 2019 01:28 AM            

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Originally posted by astri:
Well it looks like he definitely underestimated things and didn't think things through anyways which can probably be explained by transiting Uranus opposing his Jupiter. According to astro.com, the advice under this transit is to be cautious. "This is a gambler's influence, and many people respond to it by taking very long-shot risks. It makes you want to gamble, but it does not make you especially lucky."

He also has since 2018 until march this year Chiron squaring his Sun , causing a 'painful sting': There could well be a very painful argument if you react in an unconsidered manner during this time. Without warning one word leads to another until you suddenly show yourself to be hard and hostile in order to cover up one of your own weaknesses. In this way you can hurt your partner, a friend, or someone else to whom you are close, so that you greatly reproach yourself afterwards.

There is another transit that started just when he came out with his hoax story, starting in mid january this year, jupiter sextiling saturn which would make him more cautious,(During this time you approach expansion and growth from a very careful and pragmatic point of view. Everything you do, every plan you make is characterized by prudence and caution.) but I guess the effects of this transit weren't in effect yet, when he was under the uranus opp jupiter influence. But I'm sure due to this stupid mistake and these new transits as well as saturn squaring saturn, having started recently he will think things more through before he does stupid **** again.

This is a critical period in which several aspects of your life and experience will be tested, especially those that began to be important about seven years ago. Most often this influence is experienced as a sort of identity crisis in which you begin to question what you are doing. You may suffer a crisis of confidence at this time, fearing that you have made the wrong moves in life or committed yourself to some course of action that will not be good in the long run. During this period you will think about and question all the long-term trends in your life. You will not be thinking about trivial matters.

Sometimes a particular event triggers off this period of soul-searching. Others may create difficulties for you, especially in your business or professional area. Perhaps they detect the first signs of insecurity that will afflict you during this period.
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I just looked it up what started for him 7 years ago and it seems like he was a child actor , then stopped for awhile and in 2012 (7 years ago) , he returned to acting, so he will be pondering about what is going to happen with his acting career.

He also will have Jupiter sextiling Pluto this year and Uranus sextile MC (although I dont know if this transit counts for any birth time since we dont have his exact birth time?) which will make him make creative changes in his life to reform/rebirth. With Pluto, it may give him more power over people according to astro.com..

Uranus sextile MC:
Under this influence you will make creative changes in your life direction. For example, you may change jobs if this will improve your chances of getting where you want to go. You will not change simply for the sake of change. You may get a sudden promotion, but only if you show that you can take a completely different approach to the demands of the new job.

And then Uranus sextile moon as well and his nodal return, so a lot of changes coming up..

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posted February 25, 2019 01:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
in my opinion it was clearly about controversy, and it seems odd to mention his own sexuality unless he wanted to bring it to the table

no reason to do that unless you're crying hate crime

kamala harris dnc **** aside

edit: btw how could you say she's wrong? she didn't say what she thought it was and you don't know the full scope of the situation either

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Within the context of the 'attack', the 'perpetrators' apparently (according to his version) did hurl racial and sexual orientation verbal abuse. And I think his attack was primarily elevated not necessarily because he is famous, but because he is an out gay black actor(not manh of those are around)

There was a lot of politics from the onset. And I don't believe he was that naive to the above but may have underestimated the compounding effect within the present climate.

It is clear to me as I read comments & more "headlines", this whole thing snowballed & is now BIGGER than him.

The question I have is this; given that other celebrities have also told lies( ehem Ryan Lochte).Will the public be as equally forgiving to him?

Or will he be judged ever more severely(or perhaps even prejudicially) because of his race/sexual orientation? As those mentioned subjects are especially polarizing.

posted February 25, 2019 01:52 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
http://pagesix.com/2019/02/24/jussie-smollett-reportedly-has-evidence-to-dispute -police-claim/

A friend of mine shared this.

So it was just police assumption, not actual facts, and the brothers testified that he paid them for training. I'm waiting to see what happens - and I won't be back to argue with two people here.

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posted February 25, 2019 02:29 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Thank you. He is reading too much into my reply. I'm not feeling well, and I'm not really in the mood to talk about Smollett anymore, but I might come back tomorrow.

It's good to see you, by the way. I had stopped coming here, but you've reminded me of why I shouldn't leave completely.

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posted February 25, 2019 02:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
does this really belong in this thread though? what you would do if you were someone else has nothing to do with anything

she said it wasn't political, i agreed with the other chick and im failing to see why that isnt a possibility to her other than her personal feelings about who initially said that

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posted February 25, 2019 06:01 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Oh, I missed this before. Thank you for making me laugh. I DO practice what I preach. I was polite. I didn't tell her that she had nothing to add to this thread, I told her I think that she's wrong. If I'm wrong about what I am sure she's thinking, then so be it.

You have no clue about our history. We used to be friends. If you want to preach about politeness, after I pointed out that you were rude to someone who contributed to your thread (he could have just stayed quiet, even though he's French, and knows what's going on over there) - well, you could look up Ami's history here. She isn't all sweetness and light. I will leave it there.

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Lol, no you don’t. I was at first polite enough to ignore this utterly rude comment of yours, but had to react to it once you were dumb enough to lecture me on so called needing to be polite to someone who started off being condescending to me out of nowhere all the while you’re clearly far from polite yourself, but I don’t think you have the self-awareness to realize this, so maybe I should just pity you. And it doesn’t matter how long your history is with this person, it was an unnecessarily rude comment to just assume what someone is saying without them having said what you think they were saying and you did this in the other thread as well. Claiming someone said something ‘interesting’ when it comes to astrology when his comment had zero astrological references in them, so the joke is on you honey.

posted February 25, 2019 06:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Transiting Uranus will also be squaring his progressed natal Sun/Moon in Leo. I want to see what changes can be effected within that regards. Coz I hce Aqua progressed Sun which will be squaring Uranus. And so far,.no real abruption on my side.

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posted February 25, 2019 06:19 AM            

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Originally posted by astri:
I don't know much about progressions, just that in order to feel them they supposed to have to go along with similar transits as well so I don't know if that's different with what's going on in Jussie's chart..

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Absolutely. I agree with you. But I think the rapid way things went awry is telling for me.

His Pluto was opposing transiting Uranus in Aries widely when the first statement was made. And to think he will go from TV star to jail is Uranus at work imo i.e:reversals of fortune at the 11th hour