posted February 22, 2019 08:29 AM            

I must say that I was very invested in how this case was going to turn out and was quite baffled when each week, the details of Jussie's story of the alleged attack seemed to crumble.

When I looked at his chart I was looking for tell tale signs of deception(since his tob is unknown)

Sag(Jupiter) tendency towards sweeping statements and perhaps exaggeration.

Gemini(Mercury)tendency towards "playing" with the truth or trying to pull a wool over people's heads by employing duplicitous and confusing mental tactics.

Neptune(Pisces) tendency towards deception and misrepresentation of the truth in order to gain sympathy and be seen as the "victim".

His stemement "I am the gay Tupac" after the attack made me think that he likes the attention given to him and may be a bit of a narcissist. I mean who says that after being attacked?

Anywho, what is interesting is that his Sun in Gem/Can and forming an opposition to Neptune in Sag. And as would be suspected, the details of his story were sketchy to say the least.

Neptune is terrible at details and has the tendency to be victimized on one hand.But also be the type to play the "victim" on the other hand.

Neptune also has a tendency to polarize(much like Pluto).But with Neptune, some people think you are a "saint" whilst others think you are successfully "hiding" something(Obama).

Whereas with Pluto, ALL people agree that you are probably an a***. But they disagree as to whom you are an a*** to(Trump).

With Jussie, some people blamed him for lurking around in dodgy places at that time of the night i.e "what was he doing there at that time of night anyways?" and the rumours that he was looking for illicit sex or looking for a prostitute etc. started.

On the other side, people rallied behind him and believed his story. They blamed the non-believers as "homophobic pro-Trump agenda loving" freaks.

But then the investigation took an interesting turn and the police amplified their attention to this unusual case just when Mars/Uranus in transit were closing into a conjunction. And this suggests that there was a lot of emotional charge around it.

Saturn(the thorough energy) was closing into a square aspect with Jussie's Saturn in Libra and opposing his True node(when the "attack" happened).

If he told the truth about the attack and was really assaulted, his star would have risen and he would have been seen as a "survivor".

But if he was not telling the truth, his story would have been seen as an "exaggerated" attempt to garner attention(which it subsequently was) and thereby his reputation would receive a beating that will take a long time to heal. As Saturn is reputation.

But what i find interesting is that his Draconic Sun/Moon are in Pisces. And transiting Neptune in Pisces is right on top of his Draco Sun/Moon. So people are going to have a hard time seeing him for who he really is.

So even when he does apologize,people will still condemn him. And what's more is that Pisces rules isolation(prison or social exclusion). So for now, he will get a heavy dosage of social isolation or(at worst) prison time.

Apparently the outcome he had wished for was more "airtime" on Empire-since there were rumors that his character was to be written off. So by staging this "attack", the show would be obligated to keep him etc.

posted February 22, 2019 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Astra:
He is also incredibly dumb. He paid the two brothers with a check! Any fool knows to pay in cash. Leaving a paper trail is the last thing you want to do when committing a crime.

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for real though

that's dumb as ****

posted February 23, 2019 05:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Astra:
He is also incredibly dumb. He paid the two brothers with a check! Any fool knows to pay in cash. Leaving a paper trail is the last thing you want to do when committing a crime.

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posted February 23, 2019 05:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
for real though

that's dumb as ****

edit: @Aries23Degrees i think it's probably safe to say he wasn't thinking, if he was maybe he would've been less stupid about it

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posted February 23, 2019 05:38 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I don't think it has anything to do with him being a Gemini. I am curious as to any transits that may have contributed to a feeling that he would get away with such a thing. Would that be Jupiter?

He apparently lied about something years ago. When he was pulled over on a DUI and driving without a license, he told them he was his younger brother, who was under 18 at the time. Who does that???

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My focus(amongst others) was on possible Gemini energy(not necessarily Sun) for a tendency to make light of an otherwise serious situation(gay bashing) in order to get a desired outcome(sympathy)

Mercury rules petty crimes and scam artists. Things like forgery,counterfeiting and crimes related to duplicitous information like Identity theft or social security fraud. Especially those crimes that are "quick fix".

Internet scammers Involving credit cards are more Gemini related crimes. But those involving earning trust or playing with emotions,are more Pisces.

Virgo is more heavy "meticulous" serial killer energy that is very clinical and cautious in its approach imo. Seldom "petty" or violent and less charming than Gemini. But strategic and efficient.

posted February 23, 2019 05:48 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
He said he’s having issues with drugs.

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It could be. It could not. Very hard to say now as my view of him is being blocked or undermined by transiting Pisces Neptune on his Draco Sun/Moon in Pisces.

posted February 23, 2019 07:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
The reason given for the elaborate scheme was because of being unhappy with how much he was paid on the show??? Yikes. Now he won't be getting paid at all.

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that's what i mean though, that **** clearly wasn't thought through and doesn't really make sense even his reasoning doesnt really match his desire

i get the controversy can be positive and all that but at the same time that kind of controversy is generally pretty neutral (unless he thought comparing himself to tupac would make people elevate him)

drugs or not the guy is stupid though

i've used plenty of drugs and while they can be a catalyst for plenty of bad in the moment decisions they definitely don't make you that level stupid unless youre starting out that way

that was plotted out enough to where there's really no excuse

posted February 23, 2019 10:47 AM            

Transiting Neptune is conjunct his natal Dejanira (victim) which is opposed his natal Deceptionisland.

His natal Lucifer is also conjunct his natal Pallas (he thinks it's wise to lie and listen to the devil?)

Natal SN conjunct natal Wolff.

posted February 23, 2019 11:52 AM            

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Originally posted by astri:
I saw some interesting aspects with asteroids too:

Transiting Neptune is conjunct his natal Dejanira (victim) which is opposed his natal Deceptionisland.

His natal Lucifer is also conjunct his natal Pallas (he thinks it's wise to lie and listen to the devil?)

Transiting NN is conjunct his natal Prometheus (a trickster in Greek mythology) which is also close to his natal asteroid Lie.

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Wow. I dont know much about asteroids.

Dejanira is "victim".Is it when one plays "victim" as a coping me mechanism?When one is victimized? Or when one puts on a show to be perceived as a victim?

Pallas is strategy. So my guess is Lucifer(which represents the number 2) has one intent out in the open whilst the other intent conceals it. Like the double tongue of a snake.

Prometheus is a trickster(i wonder if she is a cousin of Mercury?).But is her action always malevolent or for amusement?

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posted February 23, 2019 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Wow. I dont know much about asteroids.

Dejanira is "victim".Is it when one plays "victim" as a coping me mechanism?When one is victimized? Or when one puts on a show to be perceived as a victim?

Pallas is strategy. So my guess is Lucifer(which represents the number 2) has one intent out in the open whilst the other intent conceals it. Like the double tongue of a snake.

Prometheus is a trickster(i wonder if she is a cousin of Mercury?).But is her action always malevolent or for amusement?

Asteroid "Lie" seems self explanatory. But is the lie a "statement based on perspective" or outright denial of "what is"?

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I see it as Neptune opposing his deceptionisland creating some type of boomerang effect and his deception flying back into his own face causing him to be the victim of his own deception. Neptune causes confusion, dishonesty and is in opposition, so..

If pallas is strategy, then that’s also telling, because lucifer loves to lie and it’s obvious that his strategy to gain more fame and money is to lie, but I guess signing a contract with the devil isn’t always as smart as people think lol.

Prometheus also means ‘forethought’, so close to his asteroid ‘lie’ makes me think he tends to lie on purpose with forethought.

posted February 23, 2019 02:09 PM            

His NN in Cancer is conjunct the asteroid Justitia and the NN is now in the same sign of his natal NN, which is Cancer. So considering his SN is capricorn, he is used to be coldblooded to get ahead in his career. And I suppose, he's used to use the lies of lucifer as his strategy to get ahead, but now that his NN transit is coming up, I guess he will have to become aware, this game isn't helping him anymore and he needs to focus more on caring about other people's feelings and being more aligned with justice.

Transiting Pluto is making a trine with his natal Chiron which conjuncts his natal Venus as well and it's being said now that he set up this scam because of being dissatisfied with his salary (venus also rules finances and apparently he has wounding there and Pluto perhaps is pushing this to the surface together with his NN transit to transform himself. I think Neptune confused him in his scam , deluding him to believe it would work to bring him more money and fame, but it didn't, so it eventually caused him to lose face and become the victim (dejanira) of his own scam )

Another interesting asteroid conjuncting his natal lucifer is 'Justinsmith' which I thought is the asteroid sounding the most like his own name. Since it conjuncts, 'lucifer, I think this may be another indicator of him liking to identify as such ( a liar).

posted February 23, 2019 03:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
It is a larger political movement, I think. This should come out later in time.

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posted February 24, 2019 02:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
It is a larger political movement, I think. This should come out later in time.

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i do hope that it does become clear as time goes on. There are so many stories and then contradictions to rebutt those former stories etc. Aih

posted February 24, 2019 02:26 AM            

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Originally posted by astri:
I see it as Neptune opposing his deceptionisland creating some type of boomerang effect and his deception flying back into his own face causing him to be the victim of his own deception. Neptune causes confusion, dishonesty and is in opposition, so..

If pallas is strategy, then that’s also telling, because lucifer loves to lie and it’s obvious that his strategy to gain more fame and money is to lie, but I guess signing a contract with the devil isn’t always as smart as people think lol.

Prometheus also means ‘forethought’, so close to his asteroid ‘lie’ makes me think he tends to lie on purpose with forethought.

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posted February 24, 2019 02:35 AM            

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Originally posted by astri:
A few other interesting asteroids I noticed: transiting Neptune is also conjuncting his natal Justus.

His NN in Cancer is conjunct the asteroid Justitia and the NN is now in the same sign of his natal NN, which is Cancer. So considering his SN is capricorn, he is used to be coldblooded to get ahead in his career. And I suppose, he's used to use the lies of lucifer as his strategy to get ahead, but now that his NN transit is coming up, I guess he will have to become aware, this game isn't helping him anymore and he needs to focus more on caring about other people's feelings and being more aligned with justice.

Transiting Pluto is making a trine with his natal Chiron which conjuncts his natal Venus as well and it's being said now that he set up this scam because of being dissatisfied with his salary (venus also rules finances and apparently he has wounding there and Pluto perhaps is pushing this to the surface together with his NN transit to transform himself. I think Neptune confused him in his scam , deluding him to believe it would work to bring him more money and fame, but it didn't, so it eventually caused him to lose face and become the victim (dejanira) of his own scam )

Another interesting asteroid conjuncting his natal lucifer is 'Justinsmith' which I thought is the asteroid sounding the most like his own name. Since it conjuncts, 'lucifer, I think this may be another indicator of him liking to identify as such ( a liar).

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What's more is that there are text messages that were sent between he and his two accomplices back and forth that show intent to deceive. Wow.

Could he have underestimated the collective wave his "attack" would have on the public? And perhaps also underrated his own "celebrity" clout in thinking that perhaps his attack would have been pushed under the radar and not investigated thoroughly?

posted February 24, 2019 02:48 AM            

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posted February 24, 2019 08:36 AM            

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Wrong. I know exactly where you're going with this, and it's sad.

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i doubt she's wrong, he wouldn't have called himself "the gay tupac" if the idea of possibly using it to call attention to his sexuality and call it a hate crime existed

i thought the same thing, and there are people in the lgbt community who capitalize on that **** , someone doing what he did on the scale he did it as a publicity stunt then inserting his sexuality into the mix probably did intend on using it to some degree

posted February 24, 2019 08:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
What's more is that there are text messages that were sent between he and his two accomplices back and forth that show intent to deceive. Wow.

Could he have underestimated the collective wave his "attack" would have on the public? And perhaps also underrated his own "celebrity" clout in thinking that perhaps his attack would have been pushed under the radar and not investigated thoroughly?

Maybe he assumed that he alone would "control" how things would unfold and keep everyone believing his story? Oh boy was he wrong.

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i think he wrongly assumed that a crime wouldn't be investigated and he was too stupid to not use cash or discuss things in person

i really think it's as simple as he was too stupid to think it all through

edit: a lot of people are guilty of this kind of thing, they publicize crimes and forget that things can have weight

it's like the **** ton of drug dealers on instagram with private accounts that forget everything like that is being monitored, but are aware enough to know for the most part drugs arent being watched as heavily as potential attacks and such

people forget there's a trail of accountability when they use social media and texts, and he was no different

posted February 24, 2019 09:19 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Wrong. I know exactly where you're going with this, and it's sad.

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