posted February 25, 2019 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
That would have been a good angle(had his intentions been "wider") But it seems that he was just thinking in small terms.His appearance on the show has been reduced .And according to reports, will (in time) be completely written off. But its all speculation.
Roseanne is another kettle of fish.
In Roseanne's case, she looked like the evil "victimizer". So was the case with Mel Gibson.
Now is Jussie Smollet's painting of white male MAGA cap wearers as " homophobic/racist lunatics" as "victimizing"? Not so. I doubt white males who support Trump will be denied housing,jobs or wedding caterers etc.
The latter are not exposed to racial profiling, not met with immediate vehement fear or suspicion. Nor are they the types to be falsely accused and (in the past) were publicly lynched with people smiling and waving in pictures.
Being a white homophobic racist doesn't threaten your physical integrity within this society. It just makes you "despicable". But you can be "reformed" and be integrated back into society when you say "sorry" (ehem..Liam Neeson).
Being a black male/ gay etc. doesn't afford you the same luxury. As once someone out there has made up their mind to harm you physically or emotionally, they can and often do.
And you can't "apologize" away your colour or sexual orientation(as society "expects" you to). Because you don't see a reason to, you are happy being who you are.
Nor can you ever feel safe enough to be able to walk down the street holding hands with your same sex mate. Or be served properly in a restaurant where you see that you are the "only" black guy there.
Not the same.
yeah i'm not at all surprised that enemy lines have been drawn with people given his race and orientation
there's people who give a free pass based on attempts to be overly pc for one thing and then people who are going to blow it out of proportion due to their own prejudices for another, but that's how things always go
i would argue potentially faking a hate crime for selfish reasons is far worse than a washed up pill popping drunk comedian saying pretty much anything
to me roseanne just looked like a product of her time trying to recapture something in a different social climate that's unacceptable
it's like watching an old silent movie, you ever see broken blossoms? the other title for that movie was something like "the yellow man and the girl" and there's just slurs thrown in casually without any malice even to a point that's legit funny because it's so dated that no one would ever do that now without getting **** on
whereas what he did almost makes light of a legit issue because he didn't even have it in him to put a bigger picture spin on it to deflect
i would argue that the climate is changing to where being a white male has been stigmatized
i've seen so much white hate which gets looked over as somehow not racist because of history when the reality is it all is
people do see a white person and then have assumptions and excuse prejudice towards them
so it's sort of a weird climate right now where everyone is polarized against each other on a lot of different things
to an extent history while it does cause damage being thrown around in many cases now is invalid
that random white guy isn't the one who did that, but people treat him as if he has something he needs to pay for you get me?
whereas being black or being gay is gaining acceptance
there's a lot more people now who don't care and who are accepting and supportive that's why there's such a big shift in the climate
in a way though he's setting that back by being potentially dishonest for selfish reasons rather than using this all as a platform to speak out
this is all really limited by him just not being the right person, and that's got fuckall to do with his sexuality or his race
i'm in an odd position where i'm mixed (italian, puerto rican and cuban) but because my family is largely european heritage the way i look is treated very differently depending on where i am
i go back home to nyc and i'm "white" i stay where i am now in a more rural area in pennsylvania and i'm "hispanic" so while neither is black i have experienced very mixed treatment with race (and arguably worse sometimes depending on where i was when perceived as white funny enough, though i'm still not one to approach any stores where i'm hearing blue grass and seeing confederate flags outside lol)
i'm also bi, and openly so and i promise you i can't hide that because everyone knows always without it being said
and it really all just depends on where you are
here i haven't been bothered, in ny it's depended on neighborhood and time because it's gotten better but when i was a teenager definitely not and particularly in minority heavy neighborhoods not white ones
racism really is a two-sided issue
that all being said there are plenty of places where someone can be black and gay openly and no one cares, just like i've seen 2 people in mascot costumes skipping down st mark's place in the village with a kid between them and no one saying **** even though that definitely looked like some sorta ****** up pedo furry nightmare
and i've been on a date with two women at once and we were all clearly together no issue
it all comes down to being aware of your surroundings
yeah lynchings still happen, yeah racial tensions exist and yeah in many places black people do get the short end of things and being gay or bi or not fitting the standard of what a person should be comes with stigma
but at the same time there are places where it's a non issue and where that chip on someone's shoulder is unnecessary and the climate is changing
this wouldn't be a polarizing issue if that wasn't the case
edit: i'm not at all minimizing the dangers in some places btw
i've followed my fiancee into a gas station before when she had to use the bathroom just to make sure no one pulled any **** because she's mixed and definitely looks it and the people there were very much not
it was this run down old mining town
i know the way i'm treated sometimes and the way she is can vary, i've seen it
and i saw it with an ex fwbs who was black and i get the hang ups and stigma from a secondhand pov
i think a lot of black people though have this hard time wrapping their heads around the racism white people can experience because that sort of thing gets diminished a lot which further impacts tensions