posted March 09, 2019 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Mariamne Mara:
As a Cap Venus 11th house here. I don't start a relationship until I've had all my sh*t together as someone said before. That's the problem of todays relationships: people start relationships because they don't want to be alone and all the problems come so easy.

Life is much easier than we think, only people and their neuras make them so hard, relationship oriented I mean.

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posted March 09, 2019 08:34 PM            

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Originally posted by vickymadness:
You know how people get in relationships while still "figuring out" life, or trying to have their sh*t together? My saturn/venus square won't allow me to do that. I have this philosophy that I should reach my full potential, have it all figured out and have my sh*t together first...only then I can start a relationship.

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posted March 09, 2019 08:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
I think Uranus would do its work in this case too.
However I think it will be less chaotic at least later in life. Saturn does its job too. So it may stabilize Uranus or slow it down especially because Saturn is in his own sign and Uranus is ruled by Saturn in this case so do the Moon and DSC.

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posted March 10, 2019 12:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
What do you mean by Uranus is ruled by Saturn?

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posted March 10, 2019 04:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
Or Saturn in the 7th House?

Is it true that those with Venus square Saturn (tightly aspected) are deathly afraid of commitment?

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I assume by 'Saturnine' you mean 'serious' or 'sober'?

Well if the native has only Venus in Cap but no Saturn aspects. The influence is not that strong. Venus is pleasure.

Asc in Virgo with Venus in Cap in 5th house for instance may be the type who likes a fun-filled work environment. Fun is most pleasurable usually within the confines of "purpose".

Asc in Scorpio with Venus in Cap in 3rd may enjoy trips that have a purpose or outcome. So they may be drawn to work that will be more field related where they can mix the pleasure of travelling with KPI's.

When Saturn aspects Venus(in whatever sign), the pleasure seeking nature of Venus is overpowered by "duty bound" Saturn.

So Venus in Gemini conjunct Saturn has its flirtatious quality negated when Saturn is on it.

Venus in Aries square Saturn negates the risk seeking nature of Venus and conserves its approach.

Now the house in the mix is where the "conservative" approach will be.

To use earlier examples, Venus conj Saturn in Gem in 2nd house may conserve the self confidence of the native.

Venus in Aries in 4th house square Saturn in Cancer conserves the warm feelings the native has of home. There is a probability of estrangement from home.

Saturn in any house conserves the themes and areas of that house. And it also conserves the nature of the planet that it is in aspect with in that house. Or the planet that it happens to share the house with.

The exception to this is Uranus,Nep and Pluto. These planets negate the effect of Saturn influence.

So an individual with only Saturn in 7th will feel love relationships are a "burden" or "big responsibility".

The result in the first instance being fear of commitment and in the second , it will be postponing marriage for later in life when one feels "ready".

If Saturn is accompanied by Jupiter in the 7th by aspect or default house association. The Saturn influence on Jupiter is strong(especially when in aspect).

And so whilst Jupiter may be in 7th, the themes of "fear of commitment" or "feeling burdened" by love relationships are still there. The native will relate to Saturn-Venus(even if no such aspect in the chart exists).

But if Saturn/Pluto are in 7th either by aspect or default house association, Pluto influences Saturn (especially when in aspect).

So here the reasons for reservation of commitment are more in keeping with Pluto-Venus(even if no aspect is present in chart) i.e the native may fear "losing" control of their feelings, obsessiveness,power struggles, fear vulnerability or emotional closeness etc.

posted March 10, 2019 06:05 AM            

I did oversee the theme "conservation" before, and its such a great theme making so much sense for saturnian energy!

For ex in friendships, conserving the relationship and friendship etc.

Is no saturn also alike a "miner"? (crystallization is one of its themes)

posted March 10, 2019 07:54 AM            

You should read more about Chaldean astrology.

In Chaldean, Saturn rules the 8th house of "endings" and crises. And what you spoke there of with Saturn being the "miner", alludes to the power of Saturn and Pluto combined.

On one hand , Saturn and Pluto are both resourceful in turning what was once "worthless"(dead) into something "valuable"(alive).

In Chaldean Saturn is the grim reaper and with her scythe, she comes and cuts life to signify an "end" to it.

In modern times however, the metaphor you used I see more as Pluto really- as it suggests resourcefulness and the alchemist abilities. Whilst Saturn rules the physical processes of crystallization.

I see Pluto people as the type to turn trash into treasure or remake something that was "worthless" into something beautiful.

I see the word "crystallization" also a great description of Saturn as its energy suggests building towards an end i.e permanence (for good or ill).And Saturn is the more physical manifestation of time i.e cracked bones, wrinkles and degenerating mental reflexes.

When Saturn is in any house, I think of it as an old man who has to be conservative in their approach to doing things because they are no spring chicken. So they can't "waste" energy.

Saturn in 1st slows down movements by transits. This is the "use it or lose it" transit that compartmentalizes the use of physical energy to certain "essential" parts of the body.

Notice how retirement typically happens when people have Saturn transiting their Asc. Or when they decide to give up something physically taxing etc.

Saturn on the Dsc is when we get tired of relationships that do not serve us. We conserve our energy to people that truly matter as we conserve our attention to a smaller social pool.

posted March 10, 2019 08:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
Then its not your saturn, its most likely your uranus. Saturn usually does not quit that easily, much like scorpio (thats why saturnians and plutonians are so compatible), if its potential they will stand their ground

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posted March 13, 2019 08:34 AM            

I love your description about Saturn and I find it very accurate. I quote you:

"Saturn in 1st slows down movements by transits. This is the "use it or lose it" transit that compartmentalizes the use of physical energy to certain "essential" parts of the body.

Notice how retirement typically happens when people have Saturn transiting their Asc. Or when they decide to give up something physically taxing etc.

Saturn on the Dsc is when we get tired of relationships that do not serve us. We conserve our energy to people that truly matter as we conserve our attention to a smaller social pool.

It is also a time when we decide to get married. Not necessarily for romantic reasons but because its "time" we "grew up" and honor the person we love by making a commitment to be with them in ways "tangible" i.e marriage, children, home etc."

According to this, what do you think about a Saturn 12th house Capricorn transit?, About what would I be tired now?, people or socializing maybe?. I'm at a moment in my life where people around me just annoy me.

posted March 13, 2019 10:36 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
How can Venus square Saturn be more Saturn than Venus in Capricorn? Is that the case for Moon/Saturn? Would Moon parallel Saturn be more Saturn than Moon in Capricorn?

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posted March 13, 2019 12:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Mariamne Mara:
Aries23Degrees,

I love your description about Saturn and I find it very accurate. I quote you:

"Saturn in 1st slows down movements by transits. This is the "use it or lose it" transit that compartmentalizes the use of physical energy to certain "essential" parts of the body.

Notice how retirement typically happens when people have Saturn transiting their Asc. Or when they decide to give up something physically taxing etc.

Saturn on the Dsc is when we get tired of relationships that do not serve us. We conserve our energy to people that truly matter as we conserve our attention to a smaller social pool.

It is also a time when we decide to get married. Not necessarily for romantic reasons but because its "time" we "grew up" and honor the person we love by making a commitment to be with them in ways "tangible" i.e marriage, children, home etc."

According to this, what do you think about a Saturn 12th house Capricorn transit?, About what would I be tired now?, people or socializing maybe?. I'm at a moment in my life where people around me just annoy me.

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I think of the 12th house as a person who walks into their lonely apartment and is immediately "cut off" from the busy noisiness of the outside world.

From a tangible point of view, the 12th is when you shut the door to outside noises and disappear into your own thoughts and when the thoughts within are louder than what is happening external of you.

Notice how people in psychiatric wards(12th) are "cut off" from the world and how the noise seems to be background music when you fall asleep?

The 12th house rules solitude, alone time, sleep, daydreaming,fantasies, being drugged out or spaced out, yoga classes, tai chi etc. Its about silencing the external and listening to only the internal silence.

Neptune is most at home in the 12th and individuals who have this position natally or by transit( like I am about to) are most adept at taking their attention away from what is going on outside the world. And focusing it to what is going on within themselves.

Saturn here natally or by transit suggests the native will be given an opportunity to also dissociate with "noise" outside as they focus more within.

Saturn however is not like Neptune(which promotes a greater detachment in energy that is draining or focused too much on "assertion" from an external point of view).

Instead ,Saturn hones more focused energy on 12th house affairs deliberately. Not in the laissezfaire way like Neptune.

So for you(true to Saturn), you will not be interested in sitting cross-legged and singing "Khumbaya my Lord. Khumbaya!" whilst holding hands with others in a circular formation.

For you this is a serious time of regrouping & figuring out your next move i.e am I on track? Am i likely to like the direction I am going? Am i happy? What can I do to make my dreams a reality? Which dream should I pursue? Who am I becoming? what is important to me?Do I want to stay married? should I buy that house? Do I like my friends?

All these questions and more will be asked as the subconscious warning of Saturn here is that within a few years , it will move into your first house and reiterate to you(once again) that you are NOT as young as you used to be.

So with this notion at hand, you may conclude that the pursuit of all the goals imaginable within the space of time you have physically on earth, is just not realistic. Nor the best use of your short time here

For now, whilst Saturn circles the 12th the answers are not important. It is the questions and the intent that is behind the questions that should be examined. As you become clear either in vision or written plans etc. of what you want from here on out.

Its not important that you know the goal at hand when Saturn is in the 12th. But it may be important to understand if you WANT a goal or are living aimlessly? Because you will reap exactly that which you sow.

posted March 13, 2019 01:13 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
How can Venus square Saturn be more Saturn than Venus in Capricorn? Is that the case for Moon/Saturn? Would Moon parallel Saturn be more Saturn than Moon in Capricorn?

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I think of it like this: Moon in Capricorn is water in hand. But Saturn/Moon is a freshwater lake.

Saturn is the "resevoir" energy (so to speak) for Cap.So when Saturn aspects any planet, it showers the energy of Cap to the planet.

Venus in Cap not in aspect to Saturn is like an "immigrant" all alone in a foreign country. Though Venus is in Cap ,if Venus aspects Mars by square( for instance) it is Mars that pours its energy to Venus.

So here Venus takes on a more "martial" persona and is a lot more expressive than taciturn Saturn-ruled Venus in Cap would strictly suggest.

Mars in Aries more exuberant nature takes on more "focus" when in aspect to Saturn i.e use energy sparingly and restrain yourself from moving about without rhyme or reason.

This is as much as the "immigrant" who is lonesome in a country, associates with a new country that they end up making their own. They learn about the country and become influenced by it through domicile

The nature of Venus in Cap will still be there of course (as the immigrant will still retain their culture)but it will be largely eclipsed by Mars.

posted March 13, 2019 01:36 PM            

I have Capricorn Venus and Saturn conjunct in the 12th house. Also conjunct NN.

Also have Cap Uranus, Sun, and Neptune.

posted March 13, 2019 02:56 PM            

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Originally posted by manymoones:
Aries23Degress, thank you for your explanations. I appreciate them very much.

I have Capricorn Venus and Saturn conjunct in the 12th house. Also conjunct NN.

Also have Cap Uranus, Sun, and Neptune.

I am quite adept at going into my internal world; it is peaceful there Currently doing a lot of sowing Peace...

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Thank you. Its my pleasure.

I have Neptune-Sun conjunct with Neptune ruling the 12th house. So I know all about "alone time". I love it too

posted March 13, 2019 03:20 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
How can Venus square Saturn be more Saturn than Venus in Capricorn? Is that the case for Moon/Saturn? Would Moon parallel Saturn be more Saturn than Moon in Capricorn?

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Aspects and house placements override signs.

Venus in hard aspect to Saturn is more "Saturnian" and way more difficult to handle than just Venus in Capricorn

posted March 13, 2019 03:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

Is your Neptune in conjunction to your Sun?

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posted March 13, 2019 04:37 PM            

So I take it that Sun/Neptune are in the 11th house? And my guess is that you have very few close friends( likely Pisces strong types).

I have had Neptune transiting the 11th since 2009. One of the things that it did was distance me from this concept of "friendship".

I still don't know if I have friends? Whom my friends really are? Whether I have ever had friends? Its been a very confusing time because people think you are their "friend". But you feel "cut off" from them.

posted March 14, 2019 09:20 AM            

Oh my God you absolute rocked that Saturn 12th house transit description!

It has entered recently, son the journey will last a few years as the rest of the house is in Aquarius (my AC), before reaching that point, Saturn will conjunct my natal 12th house Mars (second house ruler).

posted March 14, 2019 09:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Aspects and house placements override signs.

Venus in hard aspect to Saturn is more "Saturnian" and way more difficult to handle than just Venus in Capricorn

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posted March 14, 2019 12:08 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I know someone who currently has Saturn transiting their DSC and I don't think they are about to get married. So this is a generalization obviously.

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posted March 14, 2019 12:23 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I'm just trying to figure out if this could be the reason why Saturian people or people with DSC in Capricorn are attracted to me. Because of the Saturn aspects in my chart. Moon parallel Saturn, Venus square Saturn, Mercury trine Saturn, Saturn trine ASC, Saturn inconjunct MC.

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posted March 14, 2019 12:23 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I'm just trying to figure out if this could be the reason why Saturian people or people with DSC in Capricorn are attracted to me. Because of the Saturn aspects in my chart. Moon parallel Saturn, Venus square Saturn, Mercury trine Saturn, Saturn trine ASC, Saturn inconjunct MC.

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