posted March 30, 2019 02:31 PM            

Regardless of whether I believe something or not, a lot of her issues so far seem to involve extrapolation. So, let me just point out some things that I've noted. Take it with a grain. Who knows? Something might eventually come to light.

Whether or not you believe her or anyone, humor me as you read.

Enter Teal.

As described in the video interview, she had all sorts of horrible atrocities done to her.

In a different link posted, she then says to her "friend" who's been through something absolutely traumatic: "You have ****** boundaries."
And, according to her friend, she states that Teal did the following: "You have seen this too, I am sure when she uses the phrase “cop out” to bully you into believing she knows the ultimate truth about you."

Then, this is mentioned: "The absolute apex of my relationship with Teal came when she attempted to make me believe that I grew up in the very satanic cult she was a part of. I knew my childhood- but Teal knew me better than I know myself."

So, apparently, Teal tried to force onto her "friend" her skewed interpretation and actually wanted her friend to believe everything she was saying about her was the truth. I.E "This is how you are. This is what's wrong with you, etc."

Teal couldn't be wrong. (according to herself)

There's this, too about the friend: "Later on, Teal came up with excuses as to why I could not be trusted." This is pretty typical of someone who's got a lot of unacknowledged issues due to past trauma and being severely taken advantage of and let down.

She doesn't trust anyone.

If she doesn't trust anyone, she (rightly or wrongly) will be more likely to trust herself. And when one does not trust anyone to such a severe degree, no one else's needs seem to matter. "Looking out for #1" mentality, which can be taken to an extreme.

Now, enter Teal's now ex-friend.

She now, herself, after having suffered greatly, now also proclaims her own version of the truth about Teal.

"The Synchronisation Workshop is the perfect playground for a psychopath to roam free in full power. She is on stage, she pits herself against and above you by saying that she can see your vibration, she can see your thought forms, that all of you are there for the exact same purpose. "

And this:
"It is very difficult to be friends with someone who plays mind games for fun, for life, for a career. It is another thing entirely when you care about them regardless of their Narcissistic and Psychopathic tendencies."

What I have to say about all of this is, that the truth is when individuals experience great trauma, have suffered a lot, and have not fully faced or dealt with their pain - they can become projectors. They project what was done to them onto other people, they misinterpret actions to mean something totally different. (this goes for Teal, too!)

The trap is that some people don't even acknowledge that they're projecting, or that they haven't faced their pain. They can in the moment totally think their assessment is true. And in those moments, when the person who has been victimized and still feels deeply so, they will likely end up needing to recreate that dynamic and paint someone as a perpetrator. It's the continual dance of predator and prey, and they don't realize that they are creating these situations because it is something inside of them that deeply wishes to come out and be acknowledged and healed.

Even a disagreement will been seen as hostile and someone will end up saying someone is a psychopath/sociopath/evil/bad. And it's often unconscious.

They'll even look for differences. They'll build up black and white scenarios in their mind, and if someone does not conform to what they think they know, then they pick up on it, and then begins the projection, and they end up saying cruel things to each other.

Example: Teal said that she (her friend) has sh*** boundaries. According to anyone's perspective, naturally, this is an awful thing to say to someone given the circumstances. She (Teal) is likely reacting in a way that will eventually affirm her paranoia (not trusting) and recreate a self fulfilling prophecy(her friend now calls her a psychopath). In Teal's mind, her (possibly) unacknowledged part in creating this scenario, which lead to her friend now becoming her enemy, who calls her a psycho, makes Teal feel right about her initial assessment.

And her friend, who now, in her own way, exhibits black and white thinking, calls her (Teal) psychopathic.

Her friend's (who's been deeply hurt) hypothetical internal dialogue: How could anyone behave this way? She must be psychopathic/a psychopath.

Teal's ( who's been deeply hurt) hypothetical unconscious thoughts: I cannot trust you, you're likely an enemy, let me treat you as one until you actually become one, and then I'll be right.

Both have the idea in their mind that the other is nefarious in some way.

This goes for both of them.

The thing is, black and white thinking is the hallmark of someone who's been extremely traumatized, has not dealt with their issues, and continues to project onto the world around them. They'll even make highly grandiose stories for why someone did what they did or said what they said.

From Wiki: "Splitting (also called black-and-white thinking or all-or-nothing thinking) is the failure in a person's thinking to bring together the dichotomy of both positive and negative qualities of the self and others into a cohesive, realistic whole. It is a common defense mechanism.[1] The individual tends to think in extremes (i.e., an individual's actions and motivations are all good or all bad with no middle ground).

Splitting was first described by Ronald Fairbairn in his formulation of object relations theory;[2] it begins as the inability of the infant to combine the fulfilling aspects of the parents (the good object) and their unresponsive aspects (the unsatisfying object) into the same individuals, instead seeing the good and bad as separate. In psychoanalytic theory this functions as a defense mechanism.[3]

Splitting creates instability in relationships because one person can be viewed as either personified virtue or personified vice at different times, [b]depending on whether they gratify the subject's needs or frustrate them. This, along with similar oscillations in the experience and appraisal of the self, leads to chaotic and unstable relationship patterns, identity diffusion, and mood swings. The therapeutic process can be greatly impeded by these oscillations, because the therapist too can come to be seen as all good or all bad. To attempt to overcome the negative effects on treatment outcome, constant interpretations by the therapist are needed.[4]

Splitting contributes to unstable relationships and intense emotional experiences. Splitting is common during adolescence, but is regarded as transient. Splitting has been noted especially with persons diagnosed with borderline personality disorder.[5][6] Treatment strategies have been developed for individuals and groups based on dialectical behavior therapy, and for couples.[7]

People matching the diagnostic criteria for narcissistic personality disorder also use splitting as a central defense mechanism. Most often narcissists do this as an attempt to stabilize their sense of self positivity in order to preserve their self-esteem, by perceiving themselves as purely upright or admirable and others who do not conform to their will or values as purely wicked or contemptible.[13]

As you can see, there are many people that use black and white thinking, and many types of disorders that have it. And this is not to say that everyone who has a moment of black and white thinking in their life here or there is automatically severely disordered. No. Everyone day to day could have a moment. It could just be due to not having all the facts, it could be due to just feeling emotional in that instance etc. But I do think there's something to be said about an extreme version of B&W regarding severe trauma, like mentioned above, it can really get out of hand and destroy one's ability to relate.

And this tid bit: depending on whether they gratify the subject's needs or frustrate them.

Teal's friend wanted Teal to be warm and sympathetic (rightly so). Teal was not sympathetic. Ergo: black and white thinking = Teal has psychopathic tendencies.

Meanwhile, "depending on whether they gratify the subject's needs or frustrate them." can be applied to Teal as well. Teal felt she could not trust her friend. She had already (internally) labeled her "friend" as an enemy.

The thing is, calling someone a psychopath IS a bit extreme. Some might think someone who's been deeply hurt and wounded is just like a helpless puppy. Sometimes this is true. But other times, if not dealt with, the huge trauma and issues will likely turn into disorders, distrust, paranoia.

A psychopath is born, not made, and cannot suffer from emotional issues like a normal person can. This lady gives a short, simplified explanation of psychopaths: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dv8zJiggBs

But calling someone a psychopath just like that leaves out the understanding or taking into account other issues Teal may have. Some people will even (cruelly, imo) call someone who is strong on the Autism spectrum a "psychopath" simply because they do not react the same way as others.

Again, and excuse the repetition, but there's something to be said about it, but even with people calling individuals with Autism psychopaths, this applies: "depending on whether they gratify the subject's needs or frustrate them."

Some will even casually throw "psychopath" around regarding maladjusted children and teens. It does nothing to help them.

So, those are just some observations. Later I shall take another glance at "Doc's" dialogue. I hope if possible I could find an audio (it seems transcribed), because understanding what someone means via writing is not always so clear cut or certain.

posted March 30, 2019 06:53 PM            

Can't remember word for word now, but there was a part of one paragraph where they said she plagiarized someone, but, again, they didn't say what she said or say how she plagiarized them. I wanted to know how. There was no reference at all. Just "she took that from this person." Okay, took "that" what? It wasn't thoroughly explained. I'm a but frustrated at this point because right now everything is "alleged." I ain't sayin' she's a saint though.

I still can't find an audio version of the call with Doc. I would like to contact this Cameron person somehow. Gonna find a way.

I'm about to turn in now though ~

posted March 30, 2019 08:38 PM            

Unfortunately, Sarbdeep, her ex used to have a blog put out with his experiences with Teal Swan, but deleted it because he wanted to close this chapter in his life I guess. I recall he did explain that her completion process was mainly copied from another author, Michael Brown. There is some of that explained on Celestialhealing.com with a screenshot of an email from that author and his comments on it.

Here's also a link proving more of her plagiarizing in general:
http://www.celestialhealing.com/2015/11/fullmetal-plagiarist.html

And on this link:
http://www.celestialhealing.com/2017/11/fact-check-teal-swan-answers-to.html

If you scroll down, under the title 'plagiarism', you can see the screenshot of Michael Brown's email for evidence.

Copy/pasted from celestialhealing.com:

"In her video, teal claims that she has spoken to Michael Brown and everything is good between them. A friend of mine reached out to him to find out whether or not this were true. Brown had nothing good to say about teal. He provided the following statement.(Screenshots follow.)

Here's an article of an ex-follower of Teal with some quotes from Sarbdeep's blog when it used to be still online:
http://kawaiibutoldfashioned.blogspot.com/2016/05/my-disappointment-after-reading-sarb.html

Regarding the differences between psychopath, sociopath and narcissist, I watched the video you linked and some others from the same doctor.

I guess she doesn't fit the label of psychopath because I do believe she has anxiety. However, the dr herself isn't always congruent as to whether the fear that sociopaths and narcs do experience is due to guilt or just fear of the consequences. I think she does have fear of her lies being exposed, criticism, but not necessarily guilt over what she does to most others. She did label a few people as 'sociopaths' herself in her close circle which as said before is very damaging to these people's reputation, since she can pit all of her fans against such a person who doesn't have a way to counter these claims,since they aren't famous.

She does seem to fit the diagnosis of narcissist.

posted March 31, 2019 02:35 PM            

If I can add a bit here...
In my long life, I've had decades of exposures to the home-and-personal lives of folks who were semi-Known in social circles; semi-celebrities and leaders in their own circles and spheres of influence, in fields of expertise.

Didn't realize until right-now, how MUCH I observed and drank-in the lessons of what it is to be IN the 'public-eye', and also of what goes on 'behind the scenes' in their more-private lives.

Behind-the-scenes people are very important to the support (and success) of someone who lives their lives publicly.

I tend to be very idealistic-- place people/talent on pedestals. I see and believe the Best in people. It is part of my philosophy to give folks 'the chance' to act-out and practice their ideal-self.

I still remember some of my first 'shocks' (as a late-teen early 20) of observing some that I held in high esteem-- then "seemed" to live another story when they got home, as I watched interactions with the family-- their wife, kid, and yes, ~even the dog!!! *smile*

I think Heroes play a VITALLY important role in our lives. Give us Hope and something Higher to aspire to, and even identifies various ways we can choose to model our own lives (as it would 'fit' what our soul is attracted to). These are our 'messengers' ..

Living in a standard that is very tightly in integrity TO our messages can be hard during some things that (inevitably in Life) happen to us, as we are ALL very fallible humans (even without knowing it?).

So...
Living in the homes or on the properties of some of these folks had made me MORE sensitive to the privacy-needs, to be kept in the 'inner' circles.

We can TRY to be saints... but we ALSO can be confronted with times of falling-down, and during those periods (that come in various degrees to all) we need to have our "Covering" -- our inner support-circle that protects our work, our families, our reputations, as we go-through whatever vulnerability challenge that arises.

{argh. I'm in a sensitive state today.. *tears*}
In my lifetime... I've SEEN and experienced a RICH array of societal-level leaders, and influencers.

So. Back to Teal.
Actually~~~~ my Heart breaks for her.
She's lived her life sooo OPENLY, so much candor. So much pain that she's endured...
I admire her for surviving, and for the Bravery and Strength it takes to have achieved what she has in this world.

You know, there are 'narcissists' who are just PLAIN callous mean-selfish people in life.
Rocks without a soul-- born without the wiring to care??? *smile*

What I have perceived with Teal, though, are basic very strong automatic defense-mechanisms, that comes off as though it is narcissist??? (and I can see why you call it that), but it is actually based-off Pain, and deflecting and averting Pain before-the-fact-- almost unconsciously pre-emptive?.. She also works in a field were people who are in severe pain COME to her for healing. I think she has done 'the best she can' from the spots she has been in.

Can you imagine the ENORMITY of energy (of hate) that is projected towards her?? (I'm not including any kind of judging things right wrong-- Fact is, I'm not-involved in her work so I can't speak to it.)--
..
I'm ONLY talking about that fact that she IS a 'Sensitive'.. and that she fields and FEELS energies. It must be soooo HARD for her to have to 'manage' everything, at ALL times.

To have GONE THROUGH what she 'has' since a "CHILD!!!!!"" and to have fielded everything unsupported by adults (because the parents couldn't intervene in what they DIDN'T know or understand, with what was happening to her), to me, is an overwhelming situataion. She was A CHILD. Her brain was still developing... I know how 'magical' it sounds to say you're a channel from outer planet stars, etc. ..

Consider this-- She was a young girl.. and alone in what she had to bear. Put this in a Real-world context. Make her YOUR daughter, YOUR young child. Or, of a 'victim' you would hear about on the news.

Wow. I remember one time hearing that someone said they had been raped at 3 years old. It happens.

Or even infant-rape?? I remember the "reaction" of a law-enforcement person SCOFFING that that's preposterous and impossible... THEN, within ONE week-- there was a REAL report of a perp who was absolutely-caught by undercover law-enforcement teams, of having RAPED-- HAD sex with-- infants.

This happens to people, for REAL.
Most of us .. can't handle the reality of that, so we chose to 'compartmentalize' our lives, our news-info, with our psyche saying "too much information" .. and ejects it from our conscious normal consciousness-- the cookie-cutter constructs of 'what's acceptable' for us to feel like life is 'okay'..

I do volunteer work in my community.
I 'hear' stories.. that break my Heart.
My coworker and I have just cried sometimes.
Then our team leader helps us 'clear' ..
but it still haunts me sometimes, and I pray for them.
Man's inhumanity to man …

Have you ever heard the term..
hurt-people hurt people?

Teal (from time as a child) was one of the hurt-children in our society, who wasn't detected until HELP was sought for her at the end of her teen-years and early 20s ~~ and continues to this day.

Remember what the meaning of Chiron is in a chart?? That the wound 'hurt' .. and the person hadn't been quite-healed from it --- but that later-on, they would have the Capacity to Heal Others from the Wound that they-themselves never overcame?
With her Cancer Ascendant, I think her Chiron is in her H12???? (not sure)

Teal has lived her life PUBLICALY.
Her "private" childhood was exposed, and helps Law-Enforcement and Forensic psychologists and psychiatrists understand the agendas and motives and operating-schemes of some very DARK people-- who DO exist, and sometimes in plain-sight.

Perps can be the Pillars of Society or the Children's Pastor in a Church; or the Neighborhood Football Coach-- or a Priest, or even.. a School Counselor---- even a Social Worker!! ..
Perps HIDE everywhere. It's SHOCKING how they are IN the 'help' fields-- the places children run-to, when they needed help!!
From the frying-pan, into the fire.

I know.. that the people who had 'lived' with her are exposing her secrets. Maybe that is in self-protection because they-themselves felt like she was ruining THEIR reputations through her speaking negatively on them? I can 'understand' that kind of move on their parts.

I think, for real.. that the WHOLE THING needs to be held in non-judging Compassion...

Hurt-people, hurting other people, only seeds more-pain.

For me, I will 'choose' to have compassion for Teal, and ALL she has been through ..
And for her 'motive' that she wanted to help people--
help law-enforcement, and to help wounded-people HEAL their lives.

From what you all are saying, she seems to be surrounded by friends who are loyal to her, and want to aid her life. She (and everyone alive) DESERVE to have folks like that--

Take Care.

Happy Sunday...
(music) We Fall Down (Donnie McClurkin, gospel) [4:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A5s2feN6Yk

Please no WHOLE QUOTE --
I need to see if this all made sense later
and to adjust sentences or words for clarity.
And auto-corrects!!!!! LOL

posted March 31, 2019 03:17 PM            

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Originally posted by astri:
Ah actually, I just noticed in the comment section of the youtube link you shared, somebody else already asked about the source of her exact birth data and the youtube poster answered 'provided by Teal herself' so this must be the correct birth time (7:42 AM).

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Yes, Petr at AstroSeek pointed this out to me. I missed it. It would get an A rating.

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"Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts

posted March 31, 2019 03:50 PM            

This is a chart that really needs to be very precisely cast, rectified to precision, because the topocentric Moon using 7:42 AM is very close to being on the cusp with Capricorn. It may be an interesting case for me to investigate. At the time of noticing this thread I had never heard of her and still know very little of her. So starting fresh.

If anyone has precisely dated life events or at least those dated to the month, please post them here. I may do this in thread.

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"Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts

posted March 31, 2019 04:46 PM            

@Mirage

I understand your perspective, don't worry. And it's not so much, for me, a question of "can this happen to someone." It surely is possible.

And scrutinizing, being skeptical, and analyzing also doesn't have to mean that one does not believe, cannot believe, or does not have compassion. I'm not saying you're implying that, but I'm clarifying. For me, digging is part of the caring.

And there are some things that downright cannot be proven due to the fact that they cannot have a tangible, physical source of evidence. But, some things can, and where they can, why not seek?

The world is full if harrowing true stories and even atrocious people and circumstances. Dark and light exist together, and life for everyone isn't always daisies, that's for sure.

posted March 31, 2019 05:55 PM            

ADD..
As far as "proving" that something has happened-- I think about car accident insurance experts.
.. One time, a very young teen driver bolted in front of me like a deer, and there was NO way I was going to be able to stop in time to avert crashing into 'something'.. Life had suddenly shifted to slo-mo-- felt like I had 'forever' to choose what and 'how' the collision would occur.

I remember the insurance person saying that what I reported happening, and the place and general condition of the damage the vehicle sustained was a 'credible' match. They had files of the same kinds of accidents and damages that had occurred.

I guess that forensic looks at people who have been traumatized, and the kinds of symptoms, durations, etc, would kind of match the 'accidents' reporting.

posted March 31, 2019 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I can tell you that it is impossible to understand this chart or her without reading the declinations. As absolutely essential as with Julian Assange's chart.

This is a chart that really needs to be very precisely cast, rectified to precision, because the topocentric Moon using 7:42 AM is very close to being on the cusp with Capricorn. It may be an interesting case for me to investigate. At the time of noticing this thread I had never heard of her and still know very little of her. So starting fresh.

If anyone has precisely dated life events or at least those dated to the month, please post them here. I may do this in thread.

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Here’s http://www.jessicaschab.com/uploads/1/4/8/5/14856272/teal_swan%E2%80%99s_timeline.pdf a timeline on Jessica Schab’s website. The first ones up untill 2011 I believe can’t be verified, because those are Teal’s claims but that’s what would be interesting to see if they match with her astro events. Only her son’s birth date is precise, the rest of the events is more mentioned per year, so I don’t know if it’s useful. The exact dates of her marriages and divorces with Sarbdeep Swan and Ale Gicqueau should be able to be tracked via google though.

posted March 31, 2019 06:18 PM            

You say that the whole thing should just be held in ‘non-judging compassion’ , so where is your compassion for the people who claim to have been hurt by Teal? Your compassion only goes to Teal because you readily believe her story. You’re not using any discernment. I’m not saying you have to believe the other people’s claims but you don’t even *consider* the fact that apart from genuine victims, there are also pathological liars out there who claim victimhood and hurt innocent people in the meantime. This is what people here are trying to figure out who don’t know much about Teal.
The point is you can’t possibly have compassion when you’re not even interested in knowing the truth, because you may be hurting innocent people who are accused of horrible things they didn’t do by believing a potential lie and refusing to even try to discern truth from lies. It doesn’t help to create an atmosphere of making it politically incorrect to question the story of someone who claims victimhood because it may not be true. We need to find out the truth before we can even have compassion.

I understand just like Lalafortunaea says that we will tend to believe or disbelieve a certain side of the story when not knowing (all)the facts but I just don’t see you even wanting to know the truth and that is dangerous.

I think you strongly identify as a compassionate, empathic person and believing Teal(’s story) meets your ego needs, just like you meet her ego needs, but by closing yourself off from the truth, you potentially hurt other people but I guess the ego comes first, especially when the ‘compassion’ is more like co-dependancy, because that’s what it seems more like, sorry to say.

posted March 31, 2019 08:16 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by astri:
Here’s http://www.jessicaschab.com/uploads/1/4/8/5/14856272/teal_swan%E2%80%99s_timeline.pdf

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Excellent. Thank you.

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posted March 31, 2019 10:18 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by astri:
@Mirage...
..you potentially hurt other people
but I guess the ego comes first

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posted April 01, 2019 02:54 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by astri:
@Mirage

You say that the whole thing should just be held in ‘non-judging compassion’ , so where is your compassion for the people who claim to have been hurt by Teal? Your compassion only goes to Teal because you readily believe her story. You’re not using any discernment. I’m not saying you have to believe the other people’s claims but you don’t even *consider* the fact that apart from genuine victims, there are also pathological liars out there who claim victimhood and hurt innocent people in the meantime. This is what people here are trying to figure out who don’t know much about Teal.
The point is you can’t possibly have compassion when you’re not even interested in knowing the truth, because you may be hurting innocent people who are accused of horrible things they didn’t do by believing a potential lie and refusing to even try to discern truth from lies. It doesn’t help to create an atmosphere of making it politically incorrect to question the story of someone who claims victimhood because it may not be true. We need to find out the truth before we can even have compassion.

I understand just like Lalafortunaea says that we will tend to believe or disbelieve a certain side of the story when not knowing (all)the facts but I just don’t see you even wanting to know the truth and that is dangerous.

I think you strongly identify as a compassionate, empathic person and believing Teal(’s story) meets your ego needs, just like you meet her ego needs, but by closing yourself off from the truth, you potentially hurt other people but I guess the ego comes first, especially when the ‘compassion’ is more like co-dependancy, because that’s what it seems more like, sorry to say.

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posted April 01, 2019 10:54 AM            

Being friendly here--
Background.

I'd seen a group of her philosophical videos a handful of years ago.

I've had experience in an extensive shadow-work program, with a course in shadow-work support-training afterwards.
.. I didn't quite like the 'effect' that her designed approach left in me.

(That includes an assortment of others I've heard online too.)

Maybe I'm more sensitive to the various approaches as I've had a lot of emotional-abuse during my lifetime. I have to use care and caution with whatever I expose myself to.

It's my observation that some shadow trend-enthusiasts wield the vocabulary and language like it's a weapon to injure folks, rather than the helpful healing modality it can be, with breakthroughs through loving, trained, highly-skilled professionals.
(I have experienced 'the difference'.)

So, maybe Teal's angle and approach "is" healing to some, but it wasn't a healing-match to my self.

The last random-vid I happened to catch of hers was the one of her with Sarbdeep in front of the stone fireplace. I thought he was a Beautiful person, and how lucky she was to have such a quality person in her life now... and that was the end of it for me.

Gently, I don't follow her with the acute interest that some here seem to have.

I was merely responding "as a sentient human" who had had first-hand experiences with a real neighbor who's family were ordained high-level leaders and "ministers" in a particular brand of satanicreligion--
The family administratively managed the 'money' offerings of that church geo-area. Were into performing bloody animal sacrifices (obviously~~ front-porch gift?? argh), with reports by my friend of the using of bodies of young children (as altar-tables) to do their high-rituals .. {deplorable}

We were friends for a couple years, a LONG long time ago. I'd been introduced to some of her other friends, getting away from 'cult'. ----
I'd done extensive research into that, and heard their stories, decades ago.

(That was also during a time-period in my life that coincided with having received some training in a {christianministry} college-school, that closed just as I left their area.
Woah.. thinking about that??
Never put it "together" quite-like I see it now, from a far distance from it.
That was a life learning~intensive!
An experiential-laboratory-- Seat of the pants!! LOL)

I have put a LOT of 'space-and-time' between myself and everything involved with that now.

It's an energetic low-vibrational sewer and swamp-- ugly gnarly and twisted. Grateful that it was over. --
I had been going through a divorce during that time too-- so really, the relocation I took to be OUT of that geo-area turned out to truly be a Blessing to me.
{God working in a multi-plex of 'mysterious ways?'}

So.
What I 'merely' wanted to say is that Teal's account was "consistent" with what I'd heard with this neighbor and her associates.

It wasn't just a 'news-story' to them. They were the news! They lived it, had all the scars, and that's a messed-up long hard journey to heal from. .. With ripple-effects.

So.
I'm not here to fight, debate, and be part of the argument of trying to discern what's true from fake.

Merely, I was a human living witness to what my neighbor-friend (and her therapist, and in extension the therapist's family, and her own husband) went through,
because of her personal cultfamily ties--

My friend had no-say in being 'born' into that situation (unless you look at things like pre-birth soul-contracts?).

Okay.
I think I've added enough content to help with "getting the thread going" now... *smile*

This thread is growing very long.

Blessings to all involved here.

Hope you make progress in finding everything you desired to know, Lalafortunaea.

posted April 01, 2019 11:36 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:

Hope you make progress in finding everything you desired to know, Lalafortunaea.

"There, but for the Grace of God, go I.."

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Thanks.

Still have a ways to go and much to look at.

posted April 01, 2019 06:38 PM            

A spiritual healer or whatever this woman claims to be would at least try to help the suicidal individual realize that death is not the only way out. A loving person would show a suicidal person that they are loved and wanted.

posted April 03, 2019 05:00 PM            

Still digesting much of it now,

I did at last see the video where she speaks of suicide. Since it was a video, I could really get a feel for it (text is harder to discern). Her reaction while speaking about it was jarring to say the least. Her micro-expressions were indeed bizarre. While she didn't out right say to anyone to commit suicide, the implication, whether meant or not, is readily there, especially for susceptible minds. It is a highly sensitive subject, and really, really, really, should not be dealt with in the way she did. A commenter said she was 'helpful'. Well, she might not be helpful for a lot of others... better to leave well enough alone. It doesn't even matter if someone thinks they "know the way" regarding this. Anything that could potentially lead someone to commit suicide should be avoided 100%. It can't be taken back. That video also really did show a side to her that acts as if 'she knows all and knows how to handle all' as if she's the chosen one or something.

posted April 04, 2019 07:57 AM            

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Originally posted by aamhz:
Astra is a dumb@ss.

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She's got a right to her opinion. Instead of name calling or throwing around adjectives, you could at least reply a counter opinion. Her opinion wasn't personal against you either.

posted April 04, 2019 10:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Astra:

All I get from this woman are vibes of deceit, cruelty and psychopathic tendencies. I don't doubt that she faced some sort of abuse as a child. The only thing I question are her motives.

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posted April 04, 2019 10:19 AM            

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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:
^Exactly what I thought too second she opened her mouth.

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