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Lalafortunaea
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posted March 28, 2019 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you don't know Teal Swan,

"Teal Swan (born June 16, 1984) is a spiritual teacher, author, and social media personality,[1] ranked 27 in Watkins' 100 Spiritual List.[2] Her teaching has garnered her the nickname "The Spiritual Catalyst."[3] Critics of Swan have called her a cult leader and, due to her unorthodox method of therapy, have nicknamed her "The Suicide Catalyst."[4]"


And "Teal Swan was born and raised in Santa Fe, New Mexico on June 16, 1984.[5] According to her, she was born with extrasensory abilities such as clairvoyance, clairsentience, and clairaudience.[6]

She has claimed to be an alien from the star Arcturus.[7] She claims to have been a victim of Satanic ritual abuse from the ages of 6-19, in order to cure her of her extrasensory abilities.[8][6] Part of this alleged abuse included being sewn into a corpse.[9]"


Her videos often include some good advice, and she's quite a strikingly beautiful woman (imo) with an ethereal energy about her.

Some people accuse her of being a fraud, saying everything is made up, and that she's some kind of manipulator gifted with NLP.

And even more shockingly: "Teal Swan has been quoted as saying "What suicide is, is pushing the reset button... There is nothing wrong with suicide."[15] Additionally, two of Swan's followers have committed suicide, and opponents of Swan's methods have claimed Swan led them to their behavior.[16] Her teaching methods sometimes involve participants imagining their deaths, occasionally by suicide.[16][17]"

Personally, I err on the side of believing her history. But I must say her whole life seems so surreal that one might question if it did or didn't happen. I could just be naive, but, I did pay attention to her facial cues. I'm interested in hearing everyone's opinions on her.

She's got a fairly good poker face, but there are moments where you can glimpse strong pain within her, almost like remnants of mini panic attacks. I can't be certain though.

Here's an interview with her describing her life and what happened to her. It's long, but at least watching 15 minutes should give you an idea and a feel for her:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6tFXAVRDBM

(may need to rewind it to start)

Be warned that her experiences are quite harrowing. She (somewhat graphically) describes abduction, being violated, preyed upon, and sordid Satanic rituals.

Link to her birth chart: http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Teal_Swan

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posted March 28, 2019 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aamhz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted March 28, 2019 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aamhz:
Chart fits the themes of her claims (she's a superstar of 12H/Uranus/Saturn/Pluto).

She carries serious karmic/psychic baggage, so says my Moon conjunct Neptune.

I do not think she's malevolent or deceitful.



If all she's saying really is true, then damn. That's... I have no words for how awful it all is. I could only do 50 minutes. I have to take a break.
My stomach is still churning.


What the heck kind of karmic and psychic baggage would give someone... that?

And what she said about encouraging suicide. I don't know if it's the result of the Satanic influence (probably), but, again, damn...

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posted March 28, 2019 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Hi Lalafortunae... More-likely from the eastern buddhi philosophies she's been involved in.

I've listened to this 2+ hour interview before.
She's incredibly brave, and her story completely credible. She's worked with the police/detectives to help them learn how the perps operate-- She's helped save others by her transparency.

Dynamics with her parents (after all she's been through) is just tragic.

There was a yt mentioned in the astrotheme article--
They didn't say HOW they obtained the birth time?
Natal Chart reading
- [10:44] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp3Gf5tBryk

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posted March 28, 2019 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To me she seems genuine.

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posted March 28, 2019 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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In this way, the 'bad stuff' that's happened to her in this life has happened because it was necessary for her to experience to be able to understand human mind suffering.

I agree with this, not saying that is exactly what the case might be, but this makes sense.

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posted March 29, 2019 04:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aamhz:

My use of "karmic/psychic baggage" was not meant in the negative sense, i.e. She has done bad stuff in the past and must atone for it. It was actually in the positive sense, i.e. I view it very clearly as her soul has decided to be a healer/helper in this incarnation. In this way, the 'bad stuff' that's happened to her in this life has happened because it was necessary for her to experience to be able to understand human mind suffering.
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Yes I see your point now.


And it makes me think of people who don't suffer much or haven't suffered a lot in their life, and have a relationship (friendship/romantic/parent) with someone who has suffered. You'd think it'd almost be like vicarious lessons.

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posted March 29, 2019 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moongaze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Satanic? I thought she was raised Mormon...

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posted March 29, 2019 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Her story is fake. Some of the claims she makes isn't even possible. For example, she claims having been sewn up in a corpse for 12 hours which isn't even possible. If you watch a lot of her video's interacting with others you can see a lot of inappropriate passive aggressive behavior and duper's delight. It's not for nothing she has the most placements in 2-faced gemini (sorry gemini's).

Interestingly, her NN in gemini is closely conjunct Myrrha which is an asteroid indicating victimhood of incest and that is a big part of her story, claiming to be a victim of sexual abuse but if that's what she supposedly experienced in her past, why is it conjunct her NN..? It's part of her life goal to portray herself as such of course.

She also has several devilish asteroids in her 11th house, including her NN. I see that as her using her selfishness she's used to (5th house SN) and gemini strategic lies to pretend to work for the larger group/humanity and for the so called greater good, but it's really all about her.

She also uses people who are close to her who aren't die hard co-dependants like Blake and Graciela to smear them in very passive aggressive ways in her blogposts by pretending to be the victim and getting her fans on her side which is very undermining and abusive for the target.

A good site that keeps an eye on her (because she and her team tend to delete certain posts as well to erase evidence, because of the constant lying) is celestialhealing.com http://www.celestialhealing.com/2017/07/teal-swan.html

Here's an interview with 'Doc' , her alleged abuser: http://thetruthaboutcameron.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-complete-interview-of-teal-swans.html Since she revealed her alleged abuser's full name (from which she claims having put her under mind control, being a leader of a mormon cult, sexually abused her, forced her into prostitution, abortion and sex with dead corpses, stole money from her,.. ) to some people, including Cameron Clark who used to live with her, she decided to interview him.

She's basically banking in on the age old rumors about satanic ritual abuse in the place she grew up in. For the record, an anthropologist at the State University of New York at Buffalo, Phillips Stevens, said he has tracked the "satanism scare" since the early 1980s.

Stevens said he has plotted nearly 50 such rumor panics across the country since 1986. Not a single case has produced proof of organized satanists, he said.

Not to say that horrible abuse to children doesn't happen, but on the scale that is being rumored, it has never been proven.

'Stories of organized satanists committing blood sacrifices, sexual abuse and murder in southern Idaho represent hysteria, not fact, say educators who have studied the issue.'

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/199207/S-IDAHO-SATANISM-RUMORS-CALLED-HYSTERIA.html

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posted March 29, 2019 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:

She's got a fairly good poker face, but there are moments where you can glimpse strong pain within her, almost like remnants of mini panic attacks. I can't be certain though.


According to her ex-husband, Sarbdeep Swan, she takes anti-anxiety medication and when he was with her at some point, the dose was doubled, so you may be correct in picking up on anxiety in her. I bet all those lies and criticism from those who know are creating these fears, but she and her fans will always use it as 'lingering symptoms of PTSD' and therefore evidence of her abuse story. Even though she claims to be enlightened and has developed a 'healing process' from which it is also said she stole the process from other authors without giving them credit. So if she is so enlightened and her healing process is such a success, why it doesn't work on her? We can't prove that she takes the medication, but at least you too and many others notice her not so peaceful demeanor which you would expect from an enlightened being who claims to be a spiritual guru.

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posted March 29, 2019 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by astri:

A good site that keeps an eye on her (because she and her team tend to delete certain posts as well to erase evidence, because of the constant lying) is celestialhealing.com http://www.celestialhealing.com/2017/07/teal-swan.html


I'm reading it, and so far I'm a bit gob smacked. I don't know all the facts about her yet, but if what I've just read above is at all true, it is quite shocking.

A lot of things stand out.


One particular thing (if true) is this that she apparently said: "I decided to confront her about it. I messaged her and asked her why? Why was she working with my rapist? Her response is one that I will never forget.

“It’s business. And besides, I don’t believe you were raped. You have s***** boundaries.”

When someone speaks like that, it's a real red flag o.O Especially that bit about the other girl being told she has s***** boundaries. That's just... being a bully, and sadistic at that.

And apparently... She (teal) wasn't even concerned about someone's death, she was just concerned with her own success regardless of the expense...

Here, too, if this is even true... He is adorned with symbolic tattoos that Teal drew herself. In the end she publicly diagnosed him as a psychopath and threw him to the mercy of her followers in order to gain sympathy.

Ahhh, so she does the old switcharoo, call the other person a psycho or somehow at corrupted in their thinking in order to smear them and save face. Cast the first stone spiel.

and this bit here: "The Synchronisation Workshop is the perfect playground for a psychopath to roam free in full power. She is on stage, she pits herself against and above you by saying that she can see your vibration, she can see your thought forms, that all of you are there for the exact same purpose. This isn’t a magic trick, there is nothing special about it in anyway. It is plain programming. Cult Leaders around the World do this well. She never learned this behavior from a cult that she escaped from. She learned it because it’s all she has ever known."

Well, true enough I guess. Any form of teaching can be a "play ground" for someone who wants kudos and an ego fix. They'll tear anyone down who makes them feel threatened or uncomfortable, or questions them.

Ideally you'd think and hope these people would be kinder, but even look at the church. Sure some clergy are nice, but again, it is a playground for power abuse...

But at the same time, all of that which is said above is a personal story and the only thing I could do is say "I believe" or "I don't believe."

But I can't say "I know!" yet.


And I am currently reading the dialogue with "Doc", the abuser she described.

"DOC: No. I am way older, you know. This was a little baby when I first met her. [laughs] She had her boyfriends bring her up to my place, here in Idaho, years ago—maybe 15—now, I don't know how long it was ago—it was quite awhile—and we had a little discussion about some things, and her boyfriend was doing the same thing that her mother did, they were asking me if I could talk to her, and kind of straighten her out on some things, and he said to me that I was the only one that she couldn't manipulate, that she had a great deal of success manipulating her mother, and she used to take great joy in it. What happened is that she would create situations so that the family got to the point where they couldn't eat meals together, because she would always create a situation for them, so they were all eating independently. They'd come home from work and fix their own meals themselves, and they just couldn't eat a meal together, because she would turn it into some kind of a deal, and she would purposely try to come up with something to upset her mother. "

At this point I'm really not sure what to believe now.

I wish there was some real proof and not just taking them at their word.

Who's making up what at this point...

Her letters are shown at the bottom, so there's SOME tangible proof. I wonder if a graphologist (study of handwriting) has taken a look at her writing style.

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Originally posted by mirage29:
^ Hi Lalafortunae... More-likely from the eastern buddhi philosophies she's been involved in.

I've listened to this 2+ hour interview before.
She's incredibly brave, and her story completely credible. She's worked with the police/detectives to help them learn how the perps operate-- She's helped save others by her transparency.

Dynamics with her parents (after all she's been through) is just tragic.

There was a yt mentioned in the astrotheme article--
They didn't say HOW they obtained the birth time?
Natal Chart reading
- [10:44] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp3Gf5tBryk


So, apparently she's even worked with police and detectives.

Mirage, would you mind posting about what you're referencing if you find any links on it, please?

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posted March 29, 2019 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
So, apparently she's even worked with police and detectives.

Mirage, would you mind posting about what you're referencing if you find any links on it, please?


Lalafortunaea..
(topic) Teal Swan interview with Chris Oswalt on 8/5/2014 (Idaho News, posted Oct 31, 2016) [2:19:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6tFXAVRDBM

fast-forward her story to the ^1:00:00-mark

Speaks about her working with the police/detectives, and the reason WHY she has been so transparent about all these details, is explained.

I have 'personally' known a different woman whose parental family was highly ranked in a s- cult. Her dad and brothers held admin duties within a certain large geographical region.
.. She was a neighbor I had, when I lived in a rural area.
Her family used to do retaliations against her for punishments when she wouldn't agree to participate in some of their superhigh-rituals (for which she was trained for service).

I'm not going to leave any more details than that--

except to say that she-also was working with the local police/detectives who had special protective-watch for her (as she worked with her therapist).

It was hard for her to have been raised in a cult family, and the things they did to her in order to groom; and some of the grave dangers she faced trying to break her bond with them.

I relocated to another whole part of the country, after I knew her, and never heard from her again.

It was a Blessing that she had a VERY devoted husband, to whom she'd been married a very long time; they had a son together. He was a strong man {inside and out} and kept her protected and safe.
Again,,, I don't know what happened to her after we parted.

The things that Teal talks about, parallel some of the things my friend used to talk to me about.
This was BEFORE Teal was ever known. ..

Those kinds of things really happen. It's real. Sounds bizarre, yet there are some psycho-sick things that happen to people, in plain sight.

MORE and more stories are becoming known now. Some of the 'horror' movies we have watched on television (that people think were just 'fabricated imagination', have also in recent years been shown to have been based on some real-life happenings for real people.

e.g. TV Series, 'The Young Pope'..
Look at some of the things being exposed now, regarding the R.Catholic church.. Those things REALLY happened.

The Sandusky Trial was truly an event of breaking-open those kinds of energies and secrets. Then, Bill Cosby, etc.

I personally don't subscribe to her websites and materials (Teal's vids and philosophies), but I have deep sensitivity with compassion and empathy for what happened to her, in her real life.

I've had enough college and continuing-ed psych-training to understand the kinds of things that can happen to the traumatized mind.

And really--- it makes sense that others would be angry and declare vehemently that none of it wasn't true?,
--because, what she went through (and the horrible things she witnessed) is TOO horrible to think that humans exist that can do those kinds of things to our Children.
If you Care for Children, this is deplorable and unbelievable to the 'normal'-life person to accept.

I've had exposure to the kinds of things she relates--
through the friend I once had, about 30 years ago.

Teal suffers from something called 'survival guilt'.
Recent suicides of the Parkland (Florida) High School Shooting, were deaths from 'survivor' guilt---
Even a factor in suicides among Veterans of War.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivor_guilt

I am GLAD that Teal's survival instincts are and were stronger than the things that would work for death in her life.

Live!!!!!... Stay Alive.
Being and staying 'in the Body' .. is more VALUABLE.

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posted March 29, 2019 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mirage29:

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The things that Teal talks about, parallel some of the things my friend used to talk to me about.
This was BEFORE Teal was ever known. ..


Ok , but just because you had a friend who said to have gone through similar things that Teal claims, isn't evidence of Teal's story being true. Even when it comes to your friend, did you see things with your own eyes? Did the police confirm these allegations?

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Those kinds of things really happen. It's real. Sounds bizarre, yet there are some psycho-sick things that happen to people, in plain sight.

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And really--- it makes sense that others would be angry and declare vehemently that none of it wasn't true?,
--because, what she went through (and the horrible things she witnessed) is TOO horrible to think that humans exist that can do those kinds of things to our Children.
If you Care for Children, this is deplorable and unbelievable to the 'normal'-life person to accept.


I know that the most horrible things we can see in horror movies are often based on real life stories -for ex. Eg Gein was the source of inspiration for Silence of the Lambs and Leatherface - but that doesn't mean we should believe anybody making such claims at face value because chronic liars exist too who claim victimhood and accuse innocent people of having done the most horrible things.

And it wouldn't be the first or last time such a thing happened:


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In 1980 in Bakersfield, California, social workers had been reading the just-published Michelle Remembers as part of their training when a number of children came forward to declare that they had been molested as part of a clandestine local occult sex ring. Two of the girls had been coached by a grandparent who was believed to have a history of mental illness. Over the coming months, their story of strange occult sex acts would grow more and more bizarre, as they claimed to have been hung from hooks in their family’s living room, forced to drink blood and watch ritual baby sacrifices, and much more.

Between 1984 and 1986, the investigation into these labyrinthine claims of satanic ritual abuse would send at least 26 people to jail in interrelated convictions, despite a complete lack of corroborative physical evidence for any of the claims.

Nearly all of those convictions have since been overturned, including that of a local carpenter named John Stoll, who spent 20 years of his 40-year sentence in jail. Parents Scott and Brenda Kniffen were each sentenced to 240 years in jail after their own sons were coached, through coercive investigative techniques and overeager therapists, to accuse them of child molestation. Both children later recanted and the Kniffens were released after serving 12 years in prison. As adults, several of the children involved in the trials professed to have been traumatized by their own earlier false testimony and the subsequent damage it caused.

But these children weren’t alone; the Kern County abuse case was the first, but would not be the last, to spiral hopelessly out of control.
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more of the article here:
https://www.vox.com/2016/10/30/13413864/satanic-panic-ritual-abuse-history-explained

According to Cameron Clark who has lived with Teal Scott/Bosworth/Swan she says that Teal revealed the full name of her alleged abuser, aka "Doc" and she witnessed her working one guy up to the point where he wanted to hunt you (Doc) down and kill you, and I watched her do this in her kitchen.

That is just one example of why believing such claims with no evidence can be very dangerous and hurt a real-life person severely.

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
But at the same time, all of that which is said above is a personal story and the only thing I could do is say "I believe" or "I don't believe."

But I can't say "I know!" yet.


I understand. To me, I have seen plenty of her video's and didn't readily started out disbelieving her claims about her past, but her vibes never set well with me. When I dug down deeper and read more about what people who have known her personally told about her, it made sense to me because it matches her nasty underhanded ways.

Her stories simply don't add up and if a person went through all of that, they couldn't be so unsensitive towards others as I've seen her behave. It also lies in many details, for example she claims to be a 'good friend of Eckhart Tolle', yet I'm sure if she was, she would have been eager to show pictures of him and her together on her social media as it would be great for her business., but I have not seen 1 picture of them together..

She also showed inappropriate behavior with a guy (Juraj Kočar) who used to organize her workshops in the Czech Republic, even though he was in a serious relationship and she was then married to her then husband Sarbdeep. Even his fiancee, Lucie had blogged about it and I think it caused them to take distance from Teal upon realizing she was too possessive around him and she wasn't what they first believed she was.. I'm nog finding the blogpost anymore, not sure if she removed it on her own accord, because her ex Sarbdeep used to have a blog where he spilled the beans on her as well, but also removed it. I heard because he didn't want to engage in the negativity anymore..


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To come back to astrology, what I also find interesting, is her Pluto placement in the 4th house around the critical 29 degrees, also known as the the anaretic degree.

“Pluto represents all things hidden; therefore, if Pluto is found in the anaretic degree, it signifies too much or too little buried beneath the ground.  It also suggest too many secrets.  Those secrets can be determined by looking at the sign and house in which Pluto is located.
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The sign that the celestial point or planet occupies represents the area of life that remains unsatisfied.  But the planet is readily looking forward to the lessons and cycles promised at its ingress into a new sign.  The last degree of any sign holds much karmic significance.”

So her pluto is in Libra and followed by the sign of Scorpio which is ruled by Pluto makes it even more significant imo. It’s interesting how she presents herself as a very deep person with lots of psychological insight, but I see it as mainly insight of an air quality (she has mercury in gemini) that stays stuck on a mind level. She doesn’t really go deep with her emotions, although she claims to but behind her 2 faced mask she can remain very superficial (negative trait of libra) in her personal relationships. You can’t really dive deep emotionally when you’re lying about everything (ask her exes).

Somewhere else I read: Pluto at 29 degrees can show someone who resists changing themselves or their lives, or gets stuck in perpetual change that keeps going and going. They can focus too much on the bad that’s happened, and need to learn to move on more quickly. You need to change when it’s necessary but not with the wind, and try to maintain a balance of power in your relationships.

If her story was real, then she would have gone through a deep transformation, going from the worst victimhood you can imagine to becoming a powerful spiritual teacher with lots of followers, so why Pluto at the anaretic degree if you resist change so much but supposedly transformed at such an early age?

This placement also suggests too many secrets. Yes, a lot of lies she is covering up. (Those secrets can be determined by looking at the sign and house in which Pluto is located: Lies about her upbringing, her history, childhood, origins. She lied about the relationships she had with the people she grew up with…

And she definitely doesn’t have balanced relationships, so it seems to me, she is strongly resisting a need to dive deep in her emotions (pluto/scorpio), especially when it comes to her close relationships (libra) at home. According to "doc", her alleged abuser who has known her growing up, she always caused trouble with her parents, constantly manipulating them and everyone else around her..

Another planet at critical degree is her Neptune around 0 degrees in Capricorn, 6th house. She uses her spiritual insights (or what she reads from other authors in the field) and her tendency to make fantastical claims to get attention and to make her dreams come true concerning her fame by building a business (capricorn) out of it and make this her daily life?

(..0 degree planet people are like impatient but idealistic youth, who can entice others after then, break moulds, but also create a lot of chaos in that area of life without tested practice. Having planets there is double edged knife, but surely such planets really become prominent in the life of the person and even make them famous in some way-by being extreme, an rule breaker, bringing innovations, unique ideas, exciting and novel experiences, breaking the boundaries, child like enthusiasm, idealism, a level of fame, brilliance or notoriety, rampant but difficult to control energy, many falls and starting over again, dare devil attitude, complications due to rushing or lack of common sense in regards to: Ascendant-your physical appearance, racial and cultural belonging(usually means an incarnation in a totally new social environment and race), your whole life, karma and path are unique and correspond to the new energy. A New beginning overall! A fresh start!

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posted March 29, 2019 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astri ..
You said, "Even when it comes to your friend, did you see things with your own eyes? Did the police confirm these allegations?"

In fact, in a way yes.
The day she woke up to find a certain-kind-of very large sacrificed animal in front of her front door, I received a call. Since my friend spent time at my house, my household and family came under special-watch with police/detectives too.

Her therapist (and therp's husband) had to arm themselves, as they were under threats too.

Frankly, I was GLADLY relieved to have relo'd away from that whole grim situation.

BTW, Astri…
I notice 'how incredibly strong' and kind of off-scale your emotions are when you post all these things.

I wonder-- do you have some kind of strong personal connection with these kinds of issues from your own past??
If so, I'm sorry that these kinds of trauma had touched your own life.. whether it involved you, or a friend/acquaintance/relative?

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posted March 29, 2019 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, well I can't say much about your friend as I never knew her..just wonder why she didn't relocate herself..

No, I really don't have such 'strong emotions' about this and didn't experience any satanic ritual abuse myself neither somebody I know. It's peculiar though, because that always seems to be what people who criticize Teal Swan of, tend to be accused of, that they are supposedly 'projecting' their own issues onto her, but no that's not the case.

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posted March 29, 2019 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ "..just wonder why she didn't relocate herself.."

She did.

A handful of years later, while I was leaving a coffee-shop, I bumped into someone who knew her. I remember now, that this person said that the family did relocate several hundred miles away, and to a new State.
(And so did her therapist.)
Thanks for your thoughts.

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posted March 29, 2019 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This whole theme of "belonging" keeps popping up, strange.

And funny shjt , she seems to have called suicide a "reset button" only after her client committed suicide(which she supposedly claimed might hurt her "credibility") .

But then again the whole article is written by someone who was raped coz "she had poor boundaries", oh well.

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posted March 30, 2019 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
..raped coz "she had poor boundaries", oh well.

{not saying that you said this.. I'm just taking-off on the subject of.. *heart*}

.. Victim-shaming.
What about the perps??? .. especially, when dealing with children.

This is where so-called 'shadow workers' fail; and the religion-philosophies that are so dismissive as to say, it was "your karma" that "attracted" it to you?? -- This is destructive to people who have been abused, and does SUCH a disservice.

Male-energy imposing self on female-receptive energies, .. then, calling its own self 'right'??
Saying that the 'receptive' person who was abused "just" needs to "toughen up" and "take it"????? ..
{wordless} …

There are a LOT of walking wounded in society-- and you don't necessarily know 'who' those are.

I condemn every voice that says it's the "victim's" fault-- they didn't have boundaries??? And any philosophy that says you 'did something to them in a past-life, meaning that you "DESERVED it" this lifetime??'

That's UN-compassionate, and lacks empathy, IN the "Now" of those persons!

There's a big difference between dealing with what happened to you in THIS lifetime, and being able to move on with regular life after-that-fact, than to have your "vibration" or core essence soul condemned with the "guilt" of it having happened because "it was your OWN fault."

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posted March 30, 2019 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd like to see the full birth data, especially the time, verified first. I've commented asking this astrologer on youtube to verify the source of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp3Gf5tBryk

This is being used as Astrotheme's source for their entry for Teal Swan. Another astrologer is not a data source. So I'm not willing to comment based on a presumptive chart anchored to no data source.

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posted March 30, 2019 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I'd like to see the full birth data, especially the time, verified first. I've commented asking this astrologer on youtube to verify the source of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp3Gf5tBryk

This is being used as Astrotheme's source for their entry for Teal Swan. Another astrologer is not a data source. So I'm not willing to comment based on a presumptive chart anchored to no data source.


Hopefully you can get to the bottom of it and confirm. At a glance, she does look like she could be a Cancer riser.

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But another user asked on that video (excuse cruddy paste job):


dfghj jhgf
1 ❤
How do you know the time of birth? (ascendent)
6 months ago

4

ᒚᗅᔙᙢᓵᘙᕧ

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Birth deets provided from Teal herself 😊
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posted March 30, 2019 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mirage29:
{not saying that you said this.. I'm just taking-off on the subject of.. *heart*}

.. Victim-shaming.
What about the perps??? .. especially, when dealing with children.

This is where so-called 'shadow workers' fail; and the religion-philosophies that are so dismissive as to say, it was "your karma" that "attracted" it to you?? -- This is destructive to people who have been abused, and does SUCH a disservice.

Male-energy imposing self on female-receptive energies, .. then, calling its own self 'right'??
Saying that the 'receptive' person who was abused "just" needs to "toughen up" and "take it"????? ..
{wordless} …

There are a LOT of walking wounded in society-- and you don't necessarily know 'who' those are.

I condemn every voice that says it's the "victim's" fault-- they didn't have boundaries??? And any philosophy that says you 'did something to them in a past-life, meaning that you "DESERVED it" this lifetime??'

That's UN-compassionate, and lacks empathy, IN the "Now" of those persons!

There's a big difference between dealing with what happened to you in THIS lifetime, and being able to move on with regular life after-that-fact, than to have your "vibration" or core essence soul condemned with the "guilt" of it having happened because "it was your OWN fault."


Except, this is what Teal Swan allegedly told a friend of hers who said she was raped by someone who Teal then chose to work with because her business takes priority apparently.


".. The woman who validates truth attempted to tell me that what happened to me, didn’t. My rape was an inconvenient truth. Teal Swan who supposedly experienced rape and trauma for 13 years wanted to work with her friends rapist because he could get her higher ratings- more traffic to her content. She serves one person on this earth. Herself.

We have seen this tendency time and time again, from an interview in 2013 where she states a panel of beings would construct how she looked in this life. That she is beautiful to people of all Continents, as opposed to “an African woman considered beautiful coming to America only be considered pretty ugly”. To her written and video blogs. She is the living definition of Narcissism. "

full article can be read here: http://www.celestialhealing.com/2017/07/teal-swan.html

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posted March 30, 2019 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I'd like to see the full birth data, especially the time, verified first. I've commented asking this astrologer on youtube to verify the source of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp3Gf5tBryk

This is being used as Astrotheme's source for their entry for Teal Swan. Another astrologer is not a data source. So I'm not willing to comment based on a presumptive chart anchored to no data source.


On this forum , they discuss her natal chart as well and a guest user mentioned she had put her exact birth data on her blog in the past, then deleted it. He or she uploaded an image of the data they filled in on astrodienst but the image is no longer visible, damnit. However, somebody else in the thread also refers to her having a Cancer ascendant, so I assume it comes from the image that guest user posted.

It's a pity nobody is coming back on the thread to confirm this data as the last post in the thread is asking to have her exact birth data repeated since they too noticed the image is lost.

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posted March 30, 2019 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I'd like to see the full birth data, especially the time, verified first. I've commented asking this astrologer on youtube to verify the source of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp3Gf5tBryk

This is being used as Astrotheme's source for their entry for Teal Swan. Another astrologer is not a data source. So I'm not willing to comment based on a presumptive chart anchored to no data source.


Ah actually, I just noticed in the comment section of the youtube link you shared, somebody else already asked about the source of her exact birth data and the youtube poster answered 'provided by Teal herself' so this must be the correct birth time (7:42 AM).

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