posted April 04, 2019 11:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
So, I checked out all the links @Astri gave (thanks again).

Still digesting much of it now,

I did at last see the video where she speaks of suicide. Since it was a video, I could really get a feel for it (text is harder to discern). Her reaction while speaking about it was jarring to say the least. Her micro-expressions were indeed bizarre. While she didn't out right say to anyone to commit suicide, the implication, whether meant or not, is readily there, especially for susceptible minds. It is a highly sensitive subject, and really, really, really, should not be dealt with in the way she did. A commenter said she was 'helpful'. Well, she might not be helpful for a lot of others... better to leave well enough alone. It doesn't even matter if someone thinks they "know the way" regarding this. Anything that could potentially lead someone to commit suicide should be avoided 100%. It can't be taken back. That video also really did show a side to her that acts as if 'she knows all and knows how to handle all' as if she's the chosen one or something.

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Yes she always speaks on any subject as if she is an authority. A typical narc trait. She will also post only memes on her social media from herself even though she's said to plagiarize a lot from other authors. It also reminds me of a video she did on pedophilia, claiming that most pedophiles do not act on their desires, yet I read the opposite is true. “Several reports have concluded that most people with pedophilic tendencies eventually act on their sexual urges in some way. “ on the site of Harvard medical school.

The main incongruity I find in Teal’s story is if
she went through the most horrible abuse imaginable but was able to heal herself (magically) and forgave her abuser, she at the same time, whenever she feels hurt when people don’t believe her story and speak their perspective on how they felt treated by her, expresses hurt to get her fans to defend her. Seems odd that she feels so easily hurt over criticism, but at the same time she managed to heal herself from extreme satanic abuse and now feels in a position she can teach others on how to do the same for themselves? Dealing with criticism should be peanuts for her if she overcame way worse. It’s not that she has to, but at least don’t claim to be enlightened and in a position to teach others on how to heal themselves if you can’t deal with criticism on for ex. the stories in your bio not even adding up. But like Gigi Young pointed out, one of the signs a spiritual teacher may be a narcissist is that a narcissistic person will seek pity. And this is odd. As we think people with NPD are full of ego and would be beyond pity and pity would be embarrassing. But this is actually a very clever defense mechanism…Being a wounded baby bird allows you to not take responsibility for your actions…It keeps their inner circle and followers highly protective of them.”  

Another thing is that if she was dragged into a mormon cult practicing satanic ritual abuse ring, there should be a lot more people involved, both as perpetrators and victims and Teal claimed to have filed with the police, so they’d know about it. Yet we don’t hear a peep from anybody after all these years, only Teal is talking about this specific satanic cult.

The video she did on pedophilia , shows how she has no problem talking about this subject even empathizing with pedophiles despite claiming to have endured years of sexual abuse as a child herself. But of course, her fans will view it as a sign of her incredibly high level of spiritual ‘advancement’ for being able to do that. Yet in another video with ‘infinite waters’ she feels the need to address her criticizers calling her a fraud. Once again, if you’re able to forgive your rapist and empathize with pedophiles, how come you have such a hard time dealing with criticism?
Her story of healing herself of the worst abuse is conveniently used to derive admiration from others, but when people don't believe her, she suddenly can't handle it and claims symptoms of PTSD to get her fans to defend her and shut the criticism down.

A commentator also noticed her showing the ‘devil’s horns’ sign towards the end of the video (5:20). I’m sure it wasn’t a coincidence..

Ralph from infinite waters then asks her what advice would you give someone in a similar situation (basically when they’re not being told they’re ‘perfect’ all the time as she would wish). She explains on how to focus on the positive, but she’s clearly not able to practice her own preachings, why else make this video as a sort of plea to take her feelings into consideration and try to control her external environment instead of her internal world as she advices?

As someone noticed in the comments, she had to refer to what she does as her ‘business’ once again, that also tells how ‘spiritual’ she is huh. A lot of mouth and nose touching ( I think that can indicate insecurity and lying) and ironically, she says it’s important to think of the impact you have on people when you say certain things , but I guess that only counts when others are talking to her. Not when she calls suicide a reset button…Notice also, after she did the devil horns sign, she blows a kiss to then quickly look away.. I think it's either a sign of insecurity or disingenuousness, which is not congruent with her claims of being a spiritual, loving teacher of a higher dimension explaining others on how to heal themselves.

posted April 04, 2019 11:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Angelic star:
I would look at where her Mars and Saturn are posited. Mars is conjunct saturn in her chart which might show vulnerability or gullibility at some point in her life..or generally vulnerable in the sense of being a fragile medium between the collective behind the scenes and a collective in front. And easy exploitation through both. Developed or engrained weakness that lead to easy exploitation in any case.

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I read about Mars conjunct Saturn:

Mars conjunct Saturn in the natal chart gives a strong determination and sustained effort in the pursuit of goals. Your Mars desires, sexuality and creativity are positively influenced by Saturn’s discipline and strong work ethic.

Sexually, this can mean tremendous stamina and remaining sexually attractive and active later in life. It also allows for a sensible exploration and expression of the taboo sides of sexuality involving pleasure and pain, domination and submission. Traditionally, this aspect is said to cause frustration and difficulty in expressing anger, and even nastiness. However, looking at the charts of people with this aspect, the overwhelming theme is that of healthy expression of the darker desires and sustained effort leading to prolific work in the career. (She admits to having a strong sexual desire, it's also in scorpio. I doubt she expresses these darker desires in a 'healthy' way though..)

If Mars conjunct Saturn in the chart were harshly aspected or on a troublesome fixed star, then we might expect the more heartless and malicious nature of this aspect to be displayed.

According to astro.com, her saturn is squaring her moon although it looks closer to 80 degrees, but they take a wide orb. And her moon is conjunct Altair; Fixed star Altair is of the nature of Mars and Jupiter. It confers a bold, confident, valiant, unyielding, ambitious and liberal nature, great and sudden but ephemeral wealth, and a position of command, makes its natives guilty of bloodshed, and gives danger from reptiles. Uhm yeah, that sounds more like it.

Another site gives this explanation of mars conjunct saturn which I can see in her as well:

..You have a strong drive for power and a lot of ambition, but are often frustrated in achieving your goals by a poor sense of timing or holding yourself back because of fear or tension. The feeling can be something like driving a car with the brakes on. When active you're responsible to the extreme, taking on obligations and pushing yourself. Because of these perceived and real obstacles, you try too hard and tend to force things. Others may at times find your approach severe and hurtful. Mars and Saturn may not sound like the most amiable dance partners, and in fact, there are plenty of negative potentials inherent in their shadow expressions.
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posted April 06, 2019 11:50 AM            

So I think there were several aspects in her natal chart that indicates volatile and rash energy but I don't know exactly what it was. Then I saw in about 10 years her Pluto will hit her 8th house which made me look further..

Upon calculating her Part of Death (ASC + cusp 8th H-moon= about 29°45 in CANCER) it is exactly square her natal Pluto and opposing her natal Moon which makes me think it's less likely going to be a peaceful, natural old age type of death.

She also has asteroid Icarus 16°10 in her 8th House of death in the AIR sign of Aquarius (somebody else mentioned this in the asteroids thread suggesting this placement could indicate death by plane crash). Icarus is opposing asteroid Sabena (airlines company) 17°09 which also widely conjuncts Atropos (inevitable death) 15°27

In 2030 her Pluto will enter her 8th house and Pluto will be squaring Mars and Saturn. Pluto will also trine Uranus.

In her Solar Return of 2030:

her SR DC conjuncts natal Icarus in 8th H
SR Icarus conjunct SR Echo conjunct natal POF
SR Pluto conjunct natal 8th House cusp
SR IC widely conjunct natal Pluto
SR Ascendant conjunct SR Bellerophon (fatal crashes) conjunct natal Sabena and Atropos
SR Sabena conjunct natal Vertex
SR Phaeton (crashes) conjunct natal Northnode and Chiron

SR uranus conjunct SR Mars

SR Atropos conjunct natal Admetos in SR 8th House

SR Pholus conjunct SR 6th H cusp conjunct natal Anubis (conj natal DC)

SR NorthNode 16°21 in Sag (travel sign) : conjunct natal Ophelia exact: Ophelia eventually *falls* from a willow branch into a brook, and drowns. Astrologically, Ophelia represents insanity and death by drowning, which can be rendered metaphysically as a feeling of being “inundated” or overwhelmed by circumstance.

SR Ophelia conjunct SR 9th H cusp of travel conjunct natal MC conjunct natal SWANN (during her career she changed her name to SWAN from previously named Scott/Bosworth)

SR Phaeton (crashes/death) 5°31 conjunct and in between natal North Node 6°30 and natal Chiron 4°46

SR Saturn 1°57 conjunct SR Lilith 2°41 conjunct Aeternitas 1°16 conjunct natal Phaeton 1°50 / conjunct natal Interkosmos 1°48

SR Lilium (associated with aircraft) conjunct SR Pallas in SR 8th H conjunct natal 9th H Halitherses
(>> stands for warning death?) conj Icarion 16°pisces14 / conj tarantola (anxiety?) 16°10

SR vertex conj SR juno conjunct natal Grieve and conjunct natal Ortrud (a heathen witch in an opera play who turned someone into a *swan*) / conjunct natal Spassky (was a russian chess grandmaster, Teal likes to play mental chess)/conj natal Kleopatra (she believes she was her in a pastlife?) > seems several asteroids she identifies with)

Interestingly, upon looking up what her SR Chiron is hitting in her natal chart, it is exactly conjunct Telramund which is also a character of the same opera play of asteroid Ortrud previously mentioned.
( ..Gottfried has disappeared and Telramund accuses Elsa of murdering him, not knowing that Ortrud, who practises sorcery, has turned Gottfried into a swan. Telramund fights Elsa's champion, Lohengrin, and is defeated. )

SR Chiron (hurt) conjunct Telramund (defeated) makes an exact 60 degree aspect with SR Lilium (aircraft)/Pallas (vision/air) conjuncting her natal Ortrud (witch - Swan transformation) in this dramatic Opera play LOL.

Also, the name of this Opera is Lohengrin and this too is an asteroid, which in Solar return is closely conjunct her SR IC, lol that's too many 'coincidences'!

Lohengrin, is a Romantic opera in three acts composed and written by Richard Wagner. The story of the eponymous character is taken from medieval German romance, notably the Parzival of Wolfram von Eschenbach and its sequel, Lohengrin, written by a different author, itself inspired by the epic of Garin le Loherain. It is part of the Knight of the Swan tradition.

The story of the Knight of the Swan, or Swan Knight, is a medieval tale about a mysterious rescuer who comes in a swan-drawn boat to defend a damsel, his only condition being that he must never be asked his name.

Hm, I think we're seeing here a match with this theme because of her name Swan and her life theme of playing (opera/drama) a (sexy) damsel in distress lol.

BTW I checked the Solar Returns of Aaliyah and John F Kennedy JR who both famously died in plane crashes and there too, many of these asteroids were prominent. (not the opera play asteroids, but Icarus, Sabena, Lilium and / or Swissair, Bellerophon, Phaeton,..)

posted April 06, 2019 12:06 PM            

Icarus in her natal chart is at the anaretic degree in 12th house capricorn (anaretic degree also says something about the following sign, which is aquarius)

Aaliyah's natal Sabena (airlines) 26°14 conjunct her POF 27°55 conjunct to Lilium (aircraft) 29°16 at anaretic degree in Virgo (followed by air sign libra)which widely opposes her Part of Death (POD) in 1°45 Aries and at the same time, these 3 are opposing natal Atropos 27°36 widely conj Bellerophon (crashes) widely conj Swissair 23°28.

Natally, she also had Dejanira conjunct Dolores.

In her Solar Return 2001:

SR DC conj her natal Icarus
SR Icarus conj SR Southnode tight

SR IC in natal 8th H

SR Atlantis conjunct natal 8th H cusp (natal Atlantis 10degrees 00 exact in 1st House pisces)

SR moon conjunct natal Pluto (in 8th H)

SR Sabena conjunct natal Northnode

SR Lilium 1°20 widely conj natal Juno 29°00
Sr swissair 22°40 conj natal Swissair 23°28 (widely conj natal pholus 20°02

SR admetos conj natal Jupiter

SR bellerophon conj SR NEptune (natal Neptune conj natal Anubis)conj SR lilith in natal aqua 12th H

SR Pluto in 10th H (famous death) conj SR Osiris conj SR Vertex in sagitarrius
SR pholus conj SR Mars in natal 8th H

SR Chiron conj SR Ophelia in natal sagitarrius sign
SR Achilles conj natal Moon

SR 3th House cusp conjunct natal Saturn

Venus ruler of her 8th H? in SR venus is conj 9th H cusp of travel

For John F Kennedy JR (born 25 november 1960 at 12:22 PM in Washington DC), his plane crashed in the ocean:

SR Sabena conj SR MC in natal 3d H
SR icarus conj SR juno in SR 4th H in natal sag conj natal dejanira
SR DC conj natal Phaeton
SR chiron conj SR Lilium in SR 4th in natal sag
SR Bellerophon conj SR IC
SR neptune conj SR vertex
SR Pluto conj natal MC
SR lameia conj natal POF
SR karma conj natal Lilith which squares his natal 8th House cusp
SR AC conj SR Osiris
SR AC widely conj natal pluto in 7th H
SR 8th H cusp widely opp POD
SR DC conj natal moon
Sr Anubis & SR Oceana conj natal Swissair (in Aqua air sign 12th H)
SR vertex conjunct SR neptune in natal aqua air sign

posted April 08, 2019 08:03 AM            

That's really fascinating! And good finds :O

And about Aaliyah, I was very sad when she left us.

posted April 08, 2019 09:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
@Astri

That's really fascinating! And good finds :O

And about Aaliyah, I was very sad when she left us.

It would be good to leave this info you wrote here to look back on, in case it is a correct prediction about Teal (some day). Perhaps at least it could even point to some issue with a plane.

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yeah sure, we'll see, she does travel a lot..

posted October 14, 2020 02:51 AM            

She is basically all ego and ego run amok.I don't say this because of her out there beliefs and claims (for example, I'm cool with ET's and know that there are many ET Souls in human form now), but because of how she treats and interacts with people.

posted October 14, 2020 09:59 AM            

I do like that she doesn’t talk about those dying from suicide, being punished for it in the afterlife, if there is one. I don’t agree with pushing people towards it, though. That’s messed up, to put it mildly.

Whatever the comment was from someone, about consenting to sex at first, and then not wanting to continue: either party gets to put a stop to that, if they don’t want to continue. You still get to say “no”.

posted October 14, 2020 09:16 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:

*edit. Now I’ve read the article that galactic linked, and I’m glad that I didn’t follow my aunt’s lead.

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Me too Teasel, me too. I think your spidy senses likely told you something was off.

It always amazes me how so many of these kind of people are so popular and how hard it is for any of their followers to see through the projected chimeras.

The person I've talked about here in the past (over much), is part of ISTA.

From that same magazine: http://gurumag.com/tantra-teacher-andrew-barnes-accused-of-rape-and-sexual-abuse/

So here's the thing that I don't understand. The founder of ISTA, Baba Dez Nichols surely had to have heard something about the above guy in the years that he was a "head teacher" part of their group. Why wasn't he kicked completely out like after the 2nd time someone mentioned something? (That he calls himself Baba is a pretty big red flag right there and in itself. Title of "Wise old man").

And all these "woke" fellow male Tantra teachers--how and why couldn't they see through him? Doesn't doing Tantra tend to open up one's intuitive awareness and insight?

posted October 14, 2020 09:22 PM            

If one watches enough of her videos talking about her "past", you see lot's of duper delight and various other body language tells that indicate that she is blatantly lying.

posted October 14, 2020 09:48 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Hi Don's,

If one watches enough of her videos talking about her "past", you see lot's of duper delight and various other body language tells that indicate that she is blatantly lying.

And for someone who came in very intuitive, honed that in various ways, and has worked a lot on things like discernment and discrimination (that whole 1st House Virgo N. Node), it's very obvious she is lying about a lot.

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posted October 15, 2020 02:58 PM            

- Sun at 23° north is contra-parallel Moon at 24° south, a basic tension between the will and emotions (male/female) that pushes for resolution, often in a very outward way.

- Sun parallel Mercury & Venus around 23° north.

- Jupiter parallel Uranus & Neptune 22-23° south.

So Sun-Mercury-Venus are contra-parallel Jupiter-Uranus-Neptune. This is a complex configuration in which her mind and ego structure are very much involved (through relational dynamic) with the more expansive and imaginative energies of the outer planets, in outlying possibilities, notions of design, conceptual constructs, metaphysics, etc.

Her Sun-Venus conjunction in Gemini implies a lot about her charm (and tendency to vanity), with their trine to Pluto (in Libra) indicating capacity to lead and easily influence others; their opposition to Neptune indicating high sensitivity, difficulty with truth/perception, tension between self-identity and how she may be perceived by others (who she is and who she wants others to think she is). This is a configuration that indicates a shaky self-identity that is being shaped by the closeness of Sun & Venus, which in Gemini urges congeniality, friendliness, personal relationships, etc. However, it can also involve a tendency to seek out adulation to cover up personal internal doubts and insecurities.

Moon's close square to Pluto also indicates very strong desires, internal turbulence/tensions, tendency to pushiness and the need for internalizing self-control and ethical standards early in life.

Those with Moon square Pluto have an unhealthy link between personal feelings/desires and power. It may be because of unresolved traumas in past lives -- either done to them or done by them (or both). As a result of the karmic carry-over, emotional balance and inner peace is a real challenge in this lifetime. If psychological balance, ethical limits, and empathy are not learned early in life the person can be a source of turbulence to those around and/or experience the normal slight dissonances with others as disproportionate triggers of conflict (hyper-sensitivity/reactivity). Emotional patterns can reinforce defensiveness of past actions and vengefulness rather than contemplation of the consequences of one's feelings and/or actions.

The Mars conjunction to Saturn is a very karmic aspect that indicates she must accept limits to her actions and accountability this lifetime. Saturn conjunct or square Mars is a picture of ethical considerations needing to be given to every objective, every ambition, every line of action. If she does not give this due consideration, she can expect opposition from others (or the law).

There are a lot of what I'd term 'red flag' aspects here for someone who wants influence and power.