posted May 05, 2019 01:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i'm back and forth on a lot of things, multiple sides to a lot of **** i try to examine them all and leave room for possibility; dislike considering one side without also pointing out the possibility of others

in all honesty individual myths aren't what actually matters as much as the symbolism that ties them all together

you'll see repeated themes throughout various religions and cultures when you dig and those seem to be more important than individual myths so it really doesnt matter how the retelling and changes go ultimately it boils down to looking at all of that as a whole

that being said i don't think every unsympathetic woman in mythology is a result of the "patriarchy"

i think artemis seems to be very sympathetic to people who follow her (and many people do, i was with a chick who did and i humored her once and tried calling down the moon and that did fuckall but ive had results with plenty of other occult practices) i just personally never found her particularly likeable though i can say the same for apollo in many ways

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Yes, you are quite heavy on the Libra/Gemini vibes in that sense hahah.

Naturally not all women in mythos would be, but a few have certainly gotten the brunt of things. Just depends on which story and what's going on.

posted May 10, 2019 07:06 PM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
Yes, you are quite heavy on the Libra/Gemini vibes in that sense hahah.

Naturally not all women in mythos would be, but a few have certainly gotten the brunt of things. Just depends on which story and what's going on.

It could be that heavy Moon/Sun leaning people are mostly swayed by the emotion of things or the ego of things, and aren't quite as nuanced or balanced as someone ruled by Libra might be comfortable with? That's my thought of it. I've never met anyone that worships greek deities- at least not that I'm aware of. Although I sort of find worshiping external deities/symbolic mythologies to be a bit sideways (tho no disrespect or anything).

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posted May 11, 2019 08:38 AM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
Yes, you are quite heavy on the Libra/Gemini vibes in that sense hahah.

Naturally not all women in mythos would be, but a few have certainly gotten the brunt of things. Just depends on which story and what's going on.

It could be that heavy Moon/Sun leaning people are mostly swayed by the emotion of things or the ego of things, and aren't quite as nuanced or balanced as someone ruled by Libra might be comfortable with? That's my thought of it. I've never met anyone that worships greek deities- at least not that I'm aware of. Although I sort of find worshiping external deities/symbolic mythologies to be a bit sideways (tho no disrespect or anything).

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i really don't see how women have gotten the brunt of things outside of abrahamic faiths in all honesty, i'm not sure what you're seeing there at all lol

i did answer a dionysus calling dream, but i'd argue ultimately that was just the presentation of energy that isn't set in stone and that the same symbolism and ideas etc tied to that energy are repeated in other cultures through other figures and it's not specific to any one thing

i think what tends to matter most is where things line up, the common points seem to be the bulk of what matters and substitution of deities is possible because in a sense they're just masks of energy that are largely interchangeable and it's only the person's connection to a figure that can increase the intimacy there and make something more effective but it's a very subjective thing that's ultimately meaningless on a larger scale

if that makes sense

posted May 11, 2019 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i really don't see how women have gotten the brunt of things outside of abrahamic faiths in all honesty, i'm not sure what you're seeing there at all lol

i did answer a dionysus calling dream, but i'd argue ultimately that was just the presentation of energy that isn't set in stone and that the same symbolism and ideas etc tied to that energy are repeated in other cultures through other figures and it's not specific to any one thing

i think what tends to matter most is where things line up, the common points seem to be the bulk of what matters and substitution of deities is possible because in a sense they're just masks of energy that are largely interchangeable and it's only the person's connection to a figure that can increase the intimacy there and make something more effective but it's a very subjective thing that's ultimately meaningless on a larger scale

if that makes sense

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I mean, I did say a few, not all women. And yes you're right, that particular brand of faith has a lot to account for it, but it's not the only. There's a longstanding history of violence of all forms against women in a lot of areas of life, not just religion- HOWEVER that's a whole other can o beans.

Oh yeah, I mean I feel like we just give faces/masks to different types of energy and call them gods in an effort to see them as something we can interact with instead of just doing it blindly- which admittedly can be really hard for a majority of people. We as a species like putting little colorful names and tags on things so we know what does what and who is who- even with the intangible lmao. (Humanity so damn cute in that sense, wah).

posted May 11, 2019 03:20 PM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
I mean, I did say a few, not all women. And yes you're right, that particular brand of faith has a lot to account for it, but it's not the only. There's a longstanding history of violence of all forms against women in a lot of areas of life, not just religion- HOWEVER that's a whole other can o beans.

Oh yeah, I mean I feel like we just give faces/masks to different types of energy and call them gods in an effort to see them as something we can interact with instead of just doing it blindly- which admittedly can be really hard for a majority of people. We as a species like putting little colorful names and tags on things so we know what does what and who is who- even with the intangible lmao. (Humanity so damn cute in that sense, wah).

I mean as well as in that sense, I wouldn't call it meaningless (unless you meant the idea of using gods/mediums as the point) since I think interacting with our/the energy of the world is kind of just part of being human- or anything living, I guess. It's just a facet of life- not necessarily mandatory I guess, but lmao I mean I could make a list of things going wrong with people and the world who either avoid it entirely or supremely misuse it for their own personal gain.

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fair point, i have a tendency to read through things quickly my bad

i was curious about which women you felt that way about though in all honesty

what i find intriguing about all the different masks is that throughout history even separate from each other you'll find the same energy wrapped up in a very similar manner, labeled differently, but still there

i meant the use of a specific name was irrelevant not the process/ritual or energy itself (which has deep meaning), because they're interchangeable to an extent as long as the components are there

i think they're useful but not mandatory and through experimentation i've seen how interchangeable they can be

i'm unsure of whether or not i think personal gain is a misuse of that sort of thing because i have no experience with that, i tend to focus on internal **** and connection etc and other people so it just hasn't come up for me to weigh in on

on one hand it seems almost wrong, but at the same time i can see how that's all just conditioning, guilt placed on people about personal gain because it keeps people weak and submissive and those who use any form of energy for personal gain over those people who are kept down is at an advantage for having done so while pushing the narrative that it's wrong

still i feel like working through my own **** is far more necessary at my current state in life before even attempting to think about personal gain and outward manifestation etc, because without inward balance results would likely be less than desirable and that makes it all senseless imo

i've recently hit a point where i had to do a lot of shadow work which has been interesting to say the least, and i bring it up because we were talking about asteroids on our suns and i found another through that after a comment a friend made recently (rudra is conjunct my sun, in virgo whereas kaali is conjunct it from leo found that interesting because the first shadow work meditation i did dealt with speaking in tongues and in the stream of what i initially thought was gibberish i was able to pick out some hindu, unfortunately because i can't speak it and meditation experiences are only so clear immediately after the bulk of it was lost; odd nonetheless but it led me to looking at hindu asteroids specifically those tied to shiva due to shiva-dionysus connections, nearly every shiva related asteroid hits **** in my chart) and also because it fits with what i was saying about that need to find balance internally before shifting that focus outward

but my view on morality in general is that it's subjective and so when it comes to personal gain i think perhaps my real hesitation is conditioning rather than actually viewing it as wrong but without seeing a price tied to it it's hard to judge