posted November 02, 2021 09:37 PM            

I wonder if our composite and davison is plutonic bc it certainly gets intense between you and I at times but it may be your Leo rising rubbing me the wrong way

posted November 03, 2021 03:08 AM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
Been in a Plutonian relationship for over a year and whoa boy was it a doozy. I was basically put in a situation where I had to prove myself, constantly taken for granted, had my privacy and a lot of my personal time invaded, and she even spread rumors about me to turn others against me. Somehow, I stayed with it because well, she had some things I needed related to my own growth and paycheck. It was painful and I was trying to come to terms with how some people can be so cruel, heartless, and just use and abuse others.

It's like whatever good I did for her, it got buried with her just asking for more and constantly trying to get a rise out of me. At times, I think she even took pleasure in seeing me miserable. I was frustrated for a while and it did drive me into depression sometimes. Come to find her Pluto conjuncts my Mars as well as squaring my moon and Venus, it was at a tight orb.

Overtime, I found that my happiness came from detaching from her. I got closer to my hobbies, set strict hours in my day when I would not be near here, and started to fall for thing that kept my mind interested that did not involve her one bit. Many months later, I feel so free. I feel like no matter what she does to me, it just slips right off. She is still up to her mind games but whatever, you can never change some people.

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posted November 07, 2021 10:13 PM              

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
No worries, just curious about our composite and synastry. Hope you get a deep restful sleep.

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...I kind of addressed this in a general way on this thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/242400-2.html

If we had a p.m. system here, I would give you my birth data. But from what I remember of our synastry off the top of my head, it is intense.

Your Venus Mars conjunction is in my 1st and opposed my Aqua Venus at 21 degrees and closely square my Scorp Uranus @ 24* (ruler of my Venus and Desc). Your Pisces Moon is in my 8th and opposed my Mars (co-ruler of IC) Jupiter (ruler of 5th and co-ruler of 8th) conjunction, and Saturn (ruler of Sun, Mercury, and co ruler of Venus and Desc). My Saturn Moon conjunction is conjunct your Sun. Your Mercury is closely conjunct my Mars. Your Saturn is widely conjunct my IC.

My Asc is in your 8th and your Asc is in my 5th, along with your South Node which is closely conjunct my Neptune (ruler of my 8th).

posted November 25, 2021 02:23 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Yeah, I agree Hypatia, strongly Plutonic and related type connections (including 8th House and/or Scorpio exchanges), do tend to bring out and/or stir up our shadow side, and do have a tendency to be difficult and challenging at times.

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Yes lots of 8th house overlays between us so that explains it.

I tend to get along well with leos who have virgo in them too, we tend to hit it off and a bond develops quickly and easily that tends to be lasting, usually I get along with leos and I feel right at home with them with my mars in leo ruling the 4th but occasionally it plays out in a negative way like with my ex director who had no virgo placements, she has sun conjunct jupiter and mars in LEO square her Saturn; she has a ton of leo, a huge leo stellium but her sun conjunct jupiter and mars and that all squaring her saturn I feel explain both her strengths and weaknesses, I feel she is very insecure deep down even though she is in a leadership position; she has more blindspots than she realizes and more issues with confidence than she realizes and this in turn is her weakness as a leader and leads to biases and a misuse of power.

I think her sun although in LEO is afflicted and this is why I had issues with her, I tend to get along with leos usually. Also her Saturn in Scorpio was squaring my northnode/MC midpoint so I felt her insecurities and biases as a leader were getting in the way of me continuing to grow and advance. I felt she wanted to put me in a box that felt comfortable to her and I felt for her to feel comfortable that meant I would not be able to keep growing and advancing. Realizing this upset me but rightfully.

posted November 25, 2021 02:50 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Your Pisces Moon is in my 8th and opposed my Mars (co-ruler of IC) Jupiter (ruler of 5th and co-ruler of 8th) conjunction, and Saturn (ruler of Sun, Mercury, and co ruler of Venus and Desc). My Saturn Moon conjunction is conjunct your Sun. Your Mercury is closely conjunct my Mars. Your Saturn is widely conjunct my IC.

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With you I think my moon in the 3rd falling in your 8th and opposing your mars which conjuncts my mercury rx is the issue or trigger point for me. My moon in the 3rd opposite mercury rx connecting with your 8th house and mars feel like you want to influence my mind, I feel it strongly with your 8th house and mars when we communicate at times or I read your posts, I feel my moon in pisces in the 3rd feels like it needs to set strong intellectual boundaries with you. Clearly is that synastry piece what is playing out between us and since my moon opposite mercury rx is my skipped step is a sensitive point for me.

I feel this makes communication a sensitive area for us, on one hand we can have great conversations but if I perceive your mars is coming on too strongly or if I feel your 8th house is trying to influence how my moon in the 3rd thinks/feels I get triggered.

posted November 25, 2021 06:52 AM            

sometimes we’re left with no perceived choice in a matter - then what? Let go. Even if someone doesn’t like “you”, mistreats you, then what? Let it go. Grasping and becoming are not the same, despite how it might seem.

Most “negative” (albeit polarized) Plutonic experiences are because of our active choices, especially the subconscious. The actions we take through re-acting instead of choosing. Due to desire for possessions, to possess (2nd house polarity). Thoughts are also things, hence the psychological realm. Attachment to entity.

I’m a Plutonic person I suppose, with my 8th House Moon sextile 5th House Pluto. Suffice to say, I’m aware of other people’s sh*t, rarely a surprise factor of what’s available. As an individual, I’m forced to make choices instead of react since other people’s “stuff” are literally in mind (Moon); I see what’s yours, that which is not mine - discernment. Do I react—to possess it / in turn, to be possessed [by it]? Not if I have the choice..

Pluto: with genuine power comes response-ability. What is the advantage?

posted January 16, 2022 10:23 AM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
I'll leave here my experience with plutonian relationships.

My longest relationship was with a Scorpio (Sun, Mercury, Mars in Scorpio, only the Sun is conjunct Pluto, but his Venus in Capricorn is conjunct Saturn/Uranus). Both Leo ASC, our composite doesn't have any Pluto, but an opposition to Uranus, which helped us a lot to not have a difficult relationship, even thou the plutonic things in synastry were present, but in the end, the composite was lacking 8th house, Pluto, or Scorpio. We have Moon/Venus in the 11th house, so our DC in Aquarius was really evident in how we dealt in relationships. Still, we felt the synastry, but our relationship wasn't about our traumas.

Now, after we separated, we both entered into a plutonic relationship (I guess this is because we both have Leo ASC and transiting Pluto was conjunct the 7th house ruler Uranus). He has with his now wife Sun/Venus conjunct in Taurus opposite Pluto. I honestly can say that I don't know how he stays there, but he is plutonian. I was dating a guy for 3 months (composite Sun/Mercury/Mars in Scorpio conjunct Pluto, this is Davison, in midpoint Mercury,Venus,Mars conjunct in Taurus opposite Pluto, synastry was only the usual Moon opposite Pluto that I have in the natal chart) and I was intimate with him 2 times, just 2 times it was needed and completely sent me to a period of 6 years of thinking that he was the only and only one, but he was nothing to me but someone that didn't really care about me. I can honestly say that it was the first time that I really felt hatred inside me. He played with my mind like we were playing poker. I was out of myself meanwhile I was dating him. I didn't consider anything, I disregarded my bf, I was dating this guy that I didn't even know, I even talked with my ex bf while I was with this guy in the car and my bf (which we were separated and on rocky terms because of something that he did a while back) was behind us, I was so attracted to this guy that I didn't even care that I looked like I was having an affair, I followed him around, I lied him about what I wanted from him, I was at his door to make him to talk with me, he blocked me and even changed his number, I was OUT OF MY MIND FOR REAL. And it took me 6 years in which I thought that the guy with which I stayed for 7 years was nothing to me and this guy was everything. Sooo wrong. The intensity that someone feels when he/she goes into a plutonic relationship is only the bait. You think its something wonderful there, something that is really true, you think you find the love, real love, but it's a lie.

Everytime I feel such intensity, I back away now. There's nothing true about it.

And there are tons of articles and videos online that describe them as power struggles, lies, manipulation, but they don't say "be careful.... you might kill each other" or "you will end up hating each other" because that's what it gets to in the end, no matter what someone says that they had it good in the end. that's a huge lie they tell themselves to think that they had a great relationship. No, we destroyed each other. It got really bad, but I can't say it here.

I never hated my ex bf when I saw that he is with someone else. We still have respect for each other even if we separated.

But with that guy, I could never speak to him again or even be friends with. That's not love. I hated him at that time, for real, I felt hate inside me. And I wanted only the worst for him, which is very unusual for me.

After the experience with that guy, I got into a heavy depression, anxiety, I wasn't functioning normal at all, until 2017 when I went to therapy because I was close to having panic attacks, so for 3 years I was having nightmares and couldn't sleep, long periods of crying alone at home, and guess who was checking up on me often to see if I'm ok....? My ex-bf... for 5 years he kept messaging me to see if I'm doing well because he knew what I was going through, but didn't tell him about what really happened. I thought that I was not going to get out alive from there. That's the kind of bad that was. And probably, it was bad for him too.

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Every bit of this comment, struck my chords. I know exactly what this feels like. Wow.

posted January 16, 2022 01:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Lionrising111:

Every bit of this comment, struck my chords. I know exactly what this feels like. Wow.

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Welcome to Lindaland Lionrising.

posted February 21, 2023 11:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Stawr:
Mars is fuq around, Pluto is find out!

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posted February 23, 2023 08:26 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
And Pluto can fuq off, but it won’t.

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