posted May 17, 2019 02:13 PM            

No judge no jury
just your actions and re-Actions!

posted May 17, 2019 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by ballerina:
There are consequences to
taking a life, period, whether
you believe it or not..
The Universal Laws are Immutable...
..you get what you give. ...

No judge no jury
just your actions and re-Actions!

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posted May 17, 2019 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
up until birth i see no issue with abortion in any circumstance as far as government should be concerned unless the abortion is being given by the government i see no reason why that shouldnt be a supply/demand type thing between doctors and patients

i get that people dont like it and want to discourage it, but im not really seeing the issue unless someone is completely just avoiding killing things their whole lives

it isnt even the best for the species as a whole that someone who would kill a baby last minute like that has a child

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I see were you are coming from, I agree that at the end of the day its your choice and between you and god so let people decide, even though I dont see god like Christians do, I dont personify it and think he is up there saying "that is wrong, you are going to hell."

I see your point that if someone is capable of aborting at the last minute like that they really really shouldn't be parents, I mean that is just BS, like come on, really? Is what I would say to such person.

posted May 17, 2019 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by ballerina:
Women should have the
choice, it's their life,
their karma. ...

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posted May 17, 2019 02:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
what does that have to do with a government regulating it?

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posted May 17, 2019 09:01 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
There's a difference between being "pro-Birth" and Pro-Life.

Pro-Life means valuing and supporting the WHOLE Life of a Human, from cradle to grave.

Masturbation and 'spilling your seed' where there is not an 'egg' to meet is considered a religious sin, too? The little sperms are Alive! They swim, and hunt down the egg.

So. Will the Government outlaw male-masturbation now??

How about, if the guy has a wet-dream??
Can he be prosecuted for 'killing' the potential many-babies he squirted?

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posted May 17, 2019 09:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
the georgia law clearly states what constitutes as murder of a citizen of georgia (what stage a fetus becomes one) and the punishment for murder would apply past a certain point with a fetus (barring some limitstions) , so all laws pertaining to the murder of citizens of georgia would apply in instances where the guidelines werent met (health issues, rape, incest)

you and i disagree on abortion in the sense that i see no issue with it at any point in a pregnancy, circumstances can suddenly change once favorable conditions can go to **** throughout the course of pregnancy

considering the child still would have to be alive in whatever mess they're born into and the consequences of poor environment as a child affecting adulthood limiting abortion doesn't make much sense

is it brutal? sure, but some things just are

i see all abortion as murder, i just dont see all murder as wrong lol

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posted May 17, 2019 09:59 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
There's a difference between being "pro-Birth" and Pro-Life.

Pro-Life means valuing and supporting the WHOLE Life of a Human, from cradle to grave.

Masturbation and 'spilling your seed' where there is not an 'egg' to meet is considered a religious sin, too? The little sperms are Alive! They swim, and hunt down the egg.

So. Will the Government outlaw male-masturbation now??

How about, if the guy has a wet-dream??
Can he be prosecuted for 'killing' the potential many-babies he squirted?

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Oyy feck!!

That'd make me a serial killer!..

posted May 17, 2019 10:03 PM            

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Originally posted by ballerina:
Why are abortions even
happening in this day
and age!? Birth Control,
Morning After Pill, etc.

Sperm versus egg,
If the egg isn't fertilized,
it dies!

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posted May 18, 2019 03:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
The bill just increases the tort actions for violations, i.e., civil remedies.

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posted May 18, 2019 03:24 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I see were you are coming from, I agree that at the end of the day its your choice and between you and god so let people decide, even though I dont see god like Christians do, I dont personify it and think he is up there saying "that is wrong, you are going to hell."

I see your point that if someone is capable of aborting at the last minute like that they really really shouldn't be parents, I mean that is just BS, like come on, really? Is what I would say to such person.

Even though I see your point and agree with you to some extent bc I have similar views and thoughts, I do feel society as a whole benefits from having certain limits bc some people are freaking crazy and society benefits from some structure, minimal is my preference definitely but some limits and structure is beneficial. I do like there is a check and balance culture in our political system to help keep things from getting out of control and the dangers of "group think" taking over.

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posted May 18, 2019 06:07 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I definitely feel that limit is valuable and crucial for society as a whole, not just people in power, limits are important and help keep society from degrading and self destructing. Come to think of it this desire to make it legal to abort a baby right after it is born sounds like an attempt to legalize ritual sacrifice. Sadly something that happens often during ritual abuse is forcing a teenager to abort their baby which is usually a product of incest and sexual abuse.

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i see no issue up until birth, and in the case of any surprise deformities i see no issue with euthanasia afterwards tbh (not all women receive proper care during pregnancy so surprise issues with babies do happen and honestly i see no reason to be against euthanasia if there's something going on that will ultimately require huge costs and care over the years they live if they live that long)

i think a lot of those limits and restrictions affect people less than they realize, though like i said loose order and structure makes sense

the reason why i say those in power benefit more is that they generally have free reign and frequently do the things that most people aren't allowed to actually do or would suffer more for and the restrictions ultimately typically keep people ineffectual and divided in ways that are senseless

posted May 18, 2019 10:12 AM            

Trump has done something new now, where he is releasing these bus loads and airplane loads of migrants TO inhabit cities that lack resources from draconic cuts in government.

I know that in my locale, they declared a CRISIS with Affordable Housing, because of DRASTIC "cuts". The waiting-line is over 2 to 3 years!!! People are needing to live in the streets!!

Affordable Health Care and providers are in SHORTAGE here and all over the USA.

Heard of a child that didn't have lunch-money, and the cafeteria worker at that school told the child it was okay, and to pass-through. That worker was FIRED.

On the public transportation busses here, I watch people who don't have EXACT-change put in a $5.00 bill into the fare-box, for a 4.50 ticket.
Then... The bus driver DENIES someone a ride for not having ALL the money he needed.
(Had I KNOWN what was going on in-time, *I* would have given that person the coins he needed to make-up the difference in fare!!!!! ..)

Instead of sending bus-loads of migrants to the "over-crowded" cities, I have an idea!

Send them to Governor Ivey's State of Alabama to live there. She says (according to her religion beliefs) that All Life is Precious.

OR send them to any of these --
where "ALL LIFE" IS PRECIOUS.

They have a LOT more "available space" to absorb additional bodies into their State, unlike the crowded cities.

* Georgia
* Alabama
* Mississippi
* Missouri
* Arkansas
* Kentucky
* Ohio
* Utah

posted May 18, 2019 11:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i see no issue up until birth, and in the case of any surprise deformities i see no issue with euthanasia afterwards tbh (not all women receive proper care during pregnancy so surprise issues with babies do happen and honestly i see no reason to be against euthanasia if there's something going on that will ultimately require huge costs and care over the years they live if they live that long)

i think a lot of those limits and restrictions affect people less than they realize, though like i said loose order and structure makes sense

the reason why i say those in power benefit more is that they generally have free reign and frequently do the things that most people aren't allowed to actually do or would suffer more for and the restrictions ultimately typically keep people ineffectual and divided in ways that are senseless

like i said as far as actively living in a society goes some order is beneficial, but when you're on the other side of things more order is even more beneficial

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I think I have been clear about how I feel and gone over the exceptions very clearly.

posted May 18, 2019 07:56 PM            

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posted May 18, 2019 09:07 PM            

i wouldnt see anything wrong with giving floods of immigrants to places that vote for immigration and giving zero federal funding for it because it's what they want let them have them

it makes a good point and it's vaguely amusing at the same time

the other stuff should be on the states and cities that say theyre ok with immigration

as for the cafeteria worker getting fired from a work standpoint it makes sense, it is morally **** to do? yeah but there's a set amount of money so it's just catching a worker stealing if they were to continue that with one child the likelihood of others also getting free food is probable

there's people who won't do that and that job is better suited for them when the budget is what matters

should it be what matters? thats for people to decide in their communities

it's usually cities that vote to allow immigration, the states you named don't support that why should they have to?

it's actually a solid move to flood a place with immigrants to get your way when you want tighter immigration laws

@hypatia238

i don't see what's wrong with suicide, as for eugenics that biggest issue i see is that humans have a tendency to breed things terribly over the course of years

there's pugs and then to a much lesser to degree you have **** like the lebensborn children who were largely alcoholics and such though that technically didnt have enough time

so that's how i feel about the likelihood of eugenics being a good idea, outside of what it would take to even attempt to implement it over an extended period of time lol

but right up until birth abortion seems fine and immediately after if unforseen issues occur then i see no issue with terminating the child right after idk

where's the issue? they wont be well taken care of and it's not like their options going through the system are good

posted May 18, 2019 10:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

The BEST comment on the whole thread!

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Nope. The egg can't be pregnant all by itself. The sperm is alive and swimming.

posted May 19, 2019 02:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:

@hypatia238

i don't see what's wrong with suicide, as for eugenics that biggest issue i see is that humans have a tendency to breed things terribly over the course of years

there's pugs and then to a much lesser to degree you have **** like the lebensborn children who were largely alcoholics and such though that technically didnt have enough time

so that's how i feel about the likelihood of eugenics being a good idea, outside of what it would take to even attempt to implement it over an extended period of time lol

but right up until birth abortion seems fine and immediately after if unforseen issues occur then i see no issue with terminating the child right after idk

where's the issue? they wont be well taken care of and it's not like their options going through the system are good

it doesn't sound pleasant is best discouraged but there's no real problem with it i can see

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Eugenics is a whole other discussion that I would prefer to have in person.

As for abortion, we are both pro-choice clearly. The only difference is that I am more hesitant to normalize 3rd trimester abortion although I agree with you that there are circumstances that it needs to happen like the mother's life been in danger (ultimately the woman decides). In cases were there is an issue with the fetus that is usually detected during the first trimester and for sure by the 2nd trimester, it is very unlikely for there to be complications of the fetus out of the blue in the 3rd trimester and if there is it is probably the result of malpractice or mother abusing drugs.

posted May 19, 2019 02:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
@mirage29

i wouldnt see anything wrong with giving floods of immigrants to places that vote for immigration and giving zero federal funding for it because it's what they want let them have them

it makes a good point and it's vaguely amusing at the same time

the other stuff should be on the states and cities that say theyre ok with immigration

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posted May 19, 2019 03:07 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I don't understand why people are talking about third-trimester abortions (unless the baby is already gone, or the mother is dying), or about killing babies that are born. I've only heard about end of life care, which is about babies that won't survive for long. It isn't about smothering them, or murdering them.

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