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teasel
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posted May 16, 2019 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going to look for an astrology chart, like a natal/event chart, to see what's being triggered now. All of those people who said in 2016, that Roe wasn't important right now, and would be fine. From Trump supporters to Bernie die-hards. Look where we are now.

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Law:_Roe_Vs_Wade

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posted May 16, 2019 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like Pluto, Saturn, and the SN, are on the natal Jupiter, unless I'm reading it wrong. Might have a better look tomorrow. The Jupiter is in the 11th, and this has been building.

Trump said that if he was elected, and got two SC Justices on the bench, that Roe would be overturned. Nobody cared.

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posted May 16, 2019 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think it's funny that people think overturning roe vs wade would just affect abortion rather than seeing the bigger picture and the effect it would have on privacy

the fine print there is what actually matters

edit: i don't care if chicks want abortions i dont think that should have anything to do with the government either, but the bigger issue with roe vs wade that people ignore is the rights to privacy that came with it that would be overturned along with abortion

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posted May 16, 2019 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i think it's funny that people think overturning roe vs wade would just affect abortion rather than seeing the bigger picture and the effect it would have on privacy

the fine print there is what actually matters

edit: i don't care if chicks want abortions i dont think that should have anything to do with the government either, but the bigger issue with roe vs wade that people ignore is the rights to privacy that came with it that would be overturned along with abortion


Nobody is ignoring that. It's the basis of the arguments. If a woman or girl even goes out of State to have an abortion, she will now be prosecuted for it - meaning she's being treated as property of the State, not an independent human being. If they have a miscarriage, they can be interrogated if someone thinks they did it deliberately, and possibly prosecuted. It's insane.

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posted May 16, 2019 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
the fine print there is what actually matters


curious about this. not from america so I'm not super familiar with it (and also newish to politics within the last year or so).

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posted May 16, 2019 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
Nobody is ignoring that. It's the basis of the arguments. If a woman or girl even goes out of State to have an abortion, she will now be prosecuted for it - meaning she's being treated as property of the State, not an independent human being. If they have a miscarriage, they can be interrogated if someone thinks they did it deliberately, and possibly prosecuted. It's insane.

most people ive heard go on about it are fixated on the abortion aspect of it not the privacy, good deal of people get caught up in that side of it rather than paying attention to the rest of it

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posted May 16, 2019 03:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ implosions:


the right to privacy part of roe vs wade has been invoked during other cases in the us (not just in regards to abortion though teasel did explain some of it) because it extends beyond abortion and helps define privacy as a protected right of citizens (though really in a lot of ways privacy being a right is a joke at this point given the patriot act, but with cases like roe vs wade to fall back on there's more ground for citizens to work with)

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posted May 16, 2019 04:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
Nobody is ignoring that. It's the basis of the arguments. If a woman or girl even goes out of State to have an abortion, she will now be prosecuted for it - meaning she's being treated as property of the State, not an independent human being. If they have a miscarriage, they can be interrogated if someone thinks they did it deliberately, and possibly prosecuted. It's insane.

Only abortion providers would be prosecuted.

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posted May 16, 2019 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
Only abortion providers would be prosecuted.

you're ignoring the fact that roe vs wade has been used to win court cases that have nothing to do with abortion, and that getting rid of it is getting rid of red tape around privacy issues

edit: also only doctors will be prosecuted when it comes to the alabama law that just passed, roe vs wade being overturned would be something different entirely

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posted May 16, 2019 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Only abortion providers would be prosecuted.

Nope. If a woman leaves the state, she can be prosecuted. Everything else I mentioned, too. And I’ve just heard this:

Apparently a part of this bill: if a woman accuses a man of rape, and they find him not guilty, the woman will be jailed, because it’s considered a false accusation.

It’s never been about babies.

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posted May 16, 2019 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, yes: apparently embryos in a lab don’t count, because they aren’t in a woman’s body, so she isn’t pregnant.

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posted May 16, 2019 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Nope. If a woman leaves the state, she can be prosecuted. Everything else I mentioned, too. And I’ve just heard this:

Apparently a part of this bill: if a woman accuses a man of rape, and they find him not guilty, the woman will be jailed, because it’s considered a false accusation.

It’s never been about babies.



well false accusations of rape should be punished to be fair, that part wouldn't be wrong

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posted May 16, 2019 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
Nope. If a woman leaves the state, she can be prosecuted. Everything else I mentioned, too. And I’ve just heard this:

Apparently a part of this bill: if a woman accuses a man of rape, and they find him not guilty, the woman will be jailed, because it’s considered a false accusation.

It’s never been about babies.


No, that's impossible. Women won't be prosecuted out-of-state.

As for false accusations, it is a problem, and it's becoming worse as time goes on. I wouldn't jail a woman for it, but there needs to be some form of punishment.

This bill is obviously meant to be challenged so it can reach the Supreme Court. No doubt that 'false accusation' attachment was meant to entice Justice Kavanaugh and Thomas, who have both been falsely accused. If I'm right, the irony would be incredible. It would mean that if this ends up overturning RvW, it was feminists THEMSELVES who helped overturn it.

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posted May 16, 2019 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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No, that's impossible. Women won't be prosecuted out-of-state.

i take it you don't know about the bill in georgia

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posted May 16, 2019 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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i take it you don't know about the bill in georgia

How would they do that?

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posted May 16, 2019 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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How would they do that?

if a woman were to leave the state pregnant and come back not pregnant then she and whoever took her (if she didnt go alone) would be tried

if you want the specifics of that bill just look it up, that's one of the ones teasel is discussing, the one where it's just doctors is alabama, and missouri did an eight weeks one recently as well

also like i said the issue with overturning roe vs wade (which isn't any of these bills) is that it doesn't just affect abortions it affects privacy outside of that because the privacy protection clauses in roe vs wade have been cited and used in other unrelated court cases to protect the privacy of citizens

it extends beyond abortion and like i said becomes less red tape when you look at bills like the patriot act

roe vs wade helped set a precedent in regards to privacy just in general further defining what's stated in the 4th amendment, overturning it has more consequences than just abortion laws

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posted May 16, 2019 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunAscendant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I forgot what astrologer said it, but supposedly the transits to Trumps chart might see him being assassinated in 2020... Who knows if that's true. If it is, all this nonsense and sh*t show laws he wants promulgate will disappear hopefully. As for Roe vs. Wade, you guys should look at the astrodatabank chart. Jupiter in its fall shows the unluckiness surrounding the whole event. Jupiter exactly squaring Uranus shows the unpredictability of it all which is and has been evident since it was written into law. Sun in detriment again shows that luck wasn't on their side. North Node in Capricorn soon to be opposed by transit North Node in Capricorn shows that sh*t is coming full circle soon. In fact, I think transit North Node in Cancer will oppose the Roe v. Wade natal North node in Capricorn in August or September of this year (2019) according to an ephemeris.

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posted May 16, 2019 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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if a woman were to leave the state pregnant and come back not pregnant then she and whoever took her (if she didnt go alone) would be tried

And that's impossible to enforce.

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posted May 16, 2019 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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And that's impossible to enforce.

not impossible, easy enough to get around? sure

but let's say someone goes to a hospital for something unrelated, they'll do a pregnancy test and let's say it turns up positive chick leaves to get an abortion comes back complications goes to hospital pregnancy test again because thats standard procedure and there you go

all laws can be broken, and crime is largely about the observer effect when it comes to enforcing them

the fact that it's not foolproof isn't the issue, the fact that it's a bill is the issue

because when you allow the government control on that level then you can further cite bills and court cases and apply them elsewhere

the fact that it would be hard to enforce (never claimed otherwise reality is most laws are hard to actually enforce and plenty are easily broken) isn't the issue, it existing at all is the issue

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I was in my teens (17) when that decision came out.

From my own perspective,
I was not civically nor politically 'aware' enough, but what I did catch-- being a "teen" in those times-- was the concern for "pregnant teens" who were committing suicide because they had "religious" parents, whom they could not go-to in this kind of crisis.

I remember one politician in the last USA election, teaparty-republican older white man, was expressing something that he took as seeming biological-fact-- that 'a woman's body knows how to SHUT DOWN a pregnancy, all by itself??'
.. We'll have to also rule-out his suggestion that for Birth Control, what a woman needs is "an aspirin in-between her legs" to prevent any unwanted pregnancies? According to that backwards mentality, IF a man/father/male-relative wants to RAPE a girl/daughter/female, then, her body has the responsibility to "figure out" how to "shut down" that pregnancy, all-by-itself?

From conversations I heard--
In the mentality of adults in that age--
My mom (and her relatives) were saying that "men" just can't help-themselves--

It's the way "Nature" made them.
MEN are NOT to be blamed for what their own natural-body inclinations and animal-urges MADE them 'do'.
The fault?, goes ON the woman/female.

A local woman had been brutally raped-- and, according to the women in my family, it was judged as all HER fault-- for being out after sunset-- (news said she was crossing a certain bridge while walking home from work).

Yep! THIS is the "same era" and "mental beliefs."

Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey, 74 years old, signed this harsh law of NO Abortions, EVEN in the case of Incest and Rape, into Law the other day.
- http://www.cbsnews.com/news/alabama-abortion-law-governo r-kay-ivey-signs-near-total-ban-today-live-updates-2019-05-15/

Libra Sun (and stellium?)
born October 15, 1944
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kay_Ivey

Okay..
I can 'see' the multiple-placements that would have leant to her pushing her OWN 'self' interests in this--

Antiquated in-bred attitudes that 'the female's' sexual-power to allure, overpowers the helpless male's inability to exercise control over HIS own-self-- were the foundational beliefs espoused by certain segments of their generation.

Her personal astrology is very interesting, and energetically emboldened by significant transits right now. *eek*

She has a Pallas LEO-- {as a woman in position of power and authority} -- she sees
in terms of how SHE can impress HER OWN unique-vision upon the world?
(p.102,103 D.George)

On Pallas-Athene----------
I think that it is interesting that transiting Pallas-Athene has been energizing her multiple Libra placements for a while now?! (And, is in the USA 10th House Libra).

Pallas, I've read, is also involved in being the legal "BETRAYER" of womb-men(women).

ref Asteroid Goddesses,
D.George/D.Bloch;
1986,2003 edtn. pages 86-87--
READ archetype,
"The Trial of Orestes"
quote at the end.."Credited to Pallas Athene, was the loss of women's rights, as citizens and mothers.
And finally, her wisdom nature was now 'used' in the service of the masculine outlet of 'war'.
Such, was the transformation of Pallas Athene by the new patriarchal society."


I'm not going to quote other significant words on those two pages describing the "Trial of Orestes." I've been watching this pattern being 'repeated', since USA Nov. 16, 2010 politics-- (according to my notations in the margin of this book).

For the USA, concerning the rights of women, IN feminine politics, this country continues to undermine women and their rights.

Rape? Incest? …
What about the girl's own "precious life"?

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posted May 16, 2019 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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well false accusations of rape should be punished to be fair, that part wouldn't be wrong

How many men have been found innocent, when they've actually raped someone? It means that if a man is found innocent, the woman will be jailed. It isn't if he's just accused.

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posted May 16, 2019 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
No, that's impossible. Women won't be prosecuted out-of-state.

As for false accusations, it is a problem, and it's becoming worse as time goes on. I wouldn't jail a woman for it, but there needs to be some form of punishment.

This bill is obviously meant to be challenged so it can reach the Supreme Court. No doubt that 'false accusation' attachment was meant to entice Justice Kavanaugh and Thomas, who have both been falsely accused. If I'm right, the irony would be incredible. It would mean that if this ends up overturning RvW, it was feminists THEMSELVES who helped overturn it.


It isn't about false accusations, it's about a man being found innocent (even if he did it), and the woman is jailed because, hey, it's bad that she said a man seen as innocent, did something to her.

Women wouldn't be prosecuted out of State. If they go home, they will be prosecuted (or possibly even have an arrest warrant out for them?), and anyone who helped them will also be prosecuted. They can be sentenced to death. Fun, fun.

Oh, you're one of those. Feminists didn't do this. JFC. "It's all a pushback against women wanting protections" is not a good argument, at all. And Kavanaugh wasn't falsely accused, but how many of those who think that women shouldn't be in politics, because we're too emotional, were concerned about him being on the bench, because HE was emotional? nope, he had every right to be, right? Women have shown that they are not too emotional to be in politics - look at the women we have running for President - but it's always, always the woman's fault, right?

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posted May 16, 2019 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i take it you don't know about the bill in georgia

Thank you, and I do appreciate your posts here, I meant to say that last night.

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posted May 16, 2019 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SunAscendant:
I forgot what astrologer said it, but supposedly the transits to Trumps chart might see him being assassinated in 2020... Who knows if that's true. If it is, all this nonsense and sh*t show laws he wants promulgate will disappear hopefully. As for Roe vs. Wade, you guys should look at the astrodatabank chart. Jupiter in its fall shows the unluckiness surrounding the whole event. Jupiter exactly squaring Uranus shows the unpredictability of it all which is and has been evident since it was written into law. Sun in detriment again shows that luck wasn't on their side. North Node in Capricorn soon to be opposed by transit North Node in Capricorn shows that sh*t is coming full circle soon. In fact, I think transit North Node in Cancer will oppose the Roe v. Wade natal North node in Capricorn in August or September of this year (2019) according to an ephemeris.

Thank you. I posted a link to the charts above (more than just Placidus) at astrodatabank, last night, unless the edit didn't take. I saw Pluto, Saturn and the transiting SN, all around the Jupiter in the chart.

I wonder if Jupiter in Sadge is involved in all of the religious overstepping, and if the transit in Cap (Jupiter return for this chart), will bring about an end to this ******** that's happening right now. Jupiter in Aquarius should hit the Sun of the chart, I don't know if that will be close to election day next year.

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posted May 16, 2019 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mirage29:

For the USA, concerning the rights of women, IN feminine politics, this country continues to undermine women and their rights.

Rape? Incest? …
What about the girl's own "precious life"?


I agree with your whole post, just edited it down for space. Thank you!!! Yes, one man said the body shuts down in cases of rape. Another one said that girls and women should "just relax and enjoy it, since it's happening anyway". I MEAN! These people. Not even human.

Thinking about the Jupiter return actually gave me a tiny bit of hope. So I hope that isn't crushed next year.

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