posted May 21, 2019 09:37 PM            

The moon is most attracted to the Sun & Ascendant in synastry, by conjunction aspect only. Look for the progressed moon in one chart to conjunct the natal Sun or natal Ascendant in the other chart at time of meeting.

I wrote about this extensively in the Kate Middleton Ascendant thread.

posted May 22, 2019 01:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Relationships.

The moon is most attracted to the Sun & Ascendant in synastry, by conjunction aspect only. Look for the progressed moon in one chart to conjunct the natal Sun or natal Ascendant in the other chart at time of meeting.

I wrote about this extensively in the Kate Middleton Ascendant thread.

The people you attract into your life will reveal your Sun and Ascendant sign.

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posted May 22, 2019 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
My pMoon was in 5° Cancer when I met a guy whose Asc I'm guessing as 10° Cancer (based on his est. ToB). If this theory holds true, it means my guess was right? My pMoon also conjuncts his natal Mars/Jupiter at the time of meeting.

Nine, can you pls confirm?

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Yep, your instinct was correct- pMoon conj nAsc.

posted May 22, 2019 11:58 AM            

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Originally posted by SunAscendant:
My progressed moon is at 5 Capricorn and about 18 degrees from an exact conjunction to my new bf's natal Sun at 23 degrees Capricorn. His progressed moon is in Virgo and does not conjunct my natal sun which is in Taurus or my natal ascendant which is in Cancer. So could I say that it is possible his natal Ascendant is therefore the degree of my progressed moon at 5 Capricorn?

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posted May 22, 2019 12:29 PM            

Rectification is the most difficult thing to do in astrology -- accurately -- and cannot be reduced to quick tips.

The real answer is STUDY STUDY STUDY. Observe people themselves at an in-depth level and don't rely on pop astro stereotypes of signs (or perpetuate them). Make friends with doubt. Doubt is your friend and if you're not comfortable with it you'll be a jump-to-conclusion astrologer. I've been doing rectification since 2000 and did not even begin to get somewhat good at it until the last decade. That may seem slow, but I assure you slower is better.

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posted May 22, 2019 12:40 PM            

1. Question the person directly. Ask them to summarize who they are in their own terms. Ask them things like If you could sum up your personality in one word or phrase what would it be?. Don't expect their answer will be interpretable immediately in astrological terms.

2. Observe them over time and write down repeated themes in their natural tendencies. Don't look for a single factor to give you the answer. Look for a pattern.

3. Keep studying the rising sign modes and variations on the Asc that are brought in with planetary aspects. Always leave room to learn more, never assuming cook books, texts, or your present level of understanding will be enough. Keep learning.

4. Always keep in mind that what seems undeniably like Cancer rising could be another water sign. You may make quick associations based on current understanding that hit on 'water', but mistake a lunar influence by major aspect with 'Cancer'. You may even see 'Cancer' when it is really Neptune. So the principle here is to remember planets are the core principles of astrology and the right kinds of planetary emphasis can create the illusion of the sign by element.

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"Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts

posted May 22, 2019 12:55 PM            

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Originally posted by SunAscendant:
My progressed moon is at 5 Capricorn and about 18 degrees from an exact conjunction to my new bf's natal Sun at 23 degrees Capricorn. His progressed moon is in Virgo and does not conjunct my natal sun which is in Taurus or my natal ascendant which is in Cancer. So could I say that it is possible his natal Ascendant is therefore the degree of my progressed moon at 5 Capricorn?

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Very, very unlikely. This method confuses your secondary progressed information with his personality, which should be derived by looking at HIM, his life, who He is.

I have already addressed this flawed method of supposed rectification with a illustrations. Its application here would only even apply to the attempt to identify the rising sign of someone you had met as a romantic interest. Doesn't even claim to work for mom, dad, siblings, friends, other relatives.

When faced with no birth time information (24-hour rectification) the notions of rising sign should be kept general until enough skill and incisive tools are gained to justify further specification. Until then it is more of a 'feels like' process of associations that could have a number of different ways of showing up in the persons actual natal chart.

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"Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts

posted May 22, 2019 07:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Kanon, you sound as dogmatic as an astrology critic.

SA, try my method. It's works best with people you know as you have access to more data.

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so here's the thing - gemini asc here
but according to your method i'd be a scorpio asc. christ i can't keep them away from me

people guess scorpio when they meet me as well

posted May 23, 2019 11:59 AM            

Kanon's method with prejudice - ie it is the absolutely only way to rectify an Asc.

posted May 23, 2019 12:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Well thus far we have two methods.

Kanon's method with prejudice - ie it is the absolutely only way to rectify an Asc.

Nine's method without prejudice - simple and proven alternative.

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Any more tips Nine?

posted May 23, 2019 12:11 PM            

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Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:
look at the transiting planets of days you have met this person. Is there any certain planets that are in particular signs when you two meet?

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posted May 23, 2019 12:30 PM            

Saturn will express itself as some sort of limitation, either self-imposed or external.

The nodes will express themselves as an odd pattern people can't seem to get out of. The SN/ketu will usually come off as bad habits, and the NN/rahu will come off a lot like Saturn, as something they're not good at or limited by, but need to get good at.

Here's a quote from a Vedic astrology site regarding each placement of the nodes: http://www.learnastrologyfree.com/SharedNodalThemes.htm

posted May 23, 2019 01:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Your pMoon to his nSun is confirmation enough. Look to his other relationships to pinpoint his Asc.

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posted May 23, 2019 11:00 PM            

If that's the case, I would look to the Moon in both your charts, chances are one of you has Moon in a Cardinal house, rules a house (potentially the 6th House), or makes aspect(s) to cardinal planets.

Ex: My natal Moon is in the 4th House, square Mars in Capricorn in the 7th House, and Square Sun in Cancer in the 1st House. Plus Jupiter in my 10th House. So everytime I've met this girl, any of the 4 or all 4 in one cardinal sign results in us meeting. However, and I can't stress this enough, it is never a guarantee, sometimes we see each other once or twice a year, sometimes we only see each other once every 7-8 years, it's random, but it seems to be the pattern nature has laid out for us.

Also look to any aspect patterns that are formed between you too, is your Moon or his Moon part of a Grand-Cross, T-Square, Grand-Trine, or Kite? I've noticed that planets involved in such patterns, especially the cardinal planets, or planets in cardinal houses have the greatest impact when getting involved with other people.

posted May 24, 2019 01:49 AM            

Kannon mentioned that Nine's method doesn't work with parents, siblings etc.
But every person is attracted to someone, is married or in a relationship. You can deduct from their partners (or crushes) where their Dsc ruler could be, which in turn reveals the Asc ruler of the person.

It's easiest with people who are married because the Dsc rulers will be prominent in such synastries.

For example, Heidi Klum and Tom Kaulitz are 16 years apart. His first wife was also older than him. So I immediately thought that something Saturn/Capricorn must be the symbolism of his Dsc. And yes, his Dsc is in Pisces. His Dsc ruler Neptune is in Capricorn conjunct Saturn.

If a person is attracted to much younger people than oneself, then there's probably something Mercury/Gemini about the Dsc and its ruler.

Those are just two examples.

Another way is to check the charts of the family members of a person. There is always a lot of mirroring going on between siblings or parents and children. This also helps to narrow down the Asc.

I guessed the Asc of a baby based on the natal charts of the parents here:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/008398.html

It helps definitely to know the charts of ex partners of a person, of their family members and even to know the chart of their favorite celebrity.

Also look at the planets in your H7. A partner or a crush could have those same planets in their H1.

posted May 24, 2019 06:29 AM            

That's interesting.

I've Moon in 7th house forming a t-square with 10th house Mars and 1st house Venus. Mars rules my 6th.

He has Moon in Libra, ruler of his 4th house. Not part of any pattern but his Moon square Cancer Mars/Jupiter, conjunct Libra Pluto. Jupiter rules his 6th.

posted May 24, 2019 09:28 AM            

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My progressed moon is at 5 Capricorn and about 18 degrees from an exact conjunction to my new bf's natal Sun at 23 degrees Capricorn.

...His progressed moon is in Virgo and does not conjunct my natal sun which is in Taurus or my natal ascendant which is in Cancer.

…So could I say that it is possible his natal Ascendant is therefore the degree of my progressed moon at 5 Capricorn?

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With pMoon conjunct nSun/nAsc there are four possible connection points. Yon only need one. True, the more you have the stronger the connection, but you only need one.

It is possible he may have both Sun & Asc in Capricorn, but you'll need to look at other relatiohsips in his life to confirm this.

His Sun, should it be the same sign as his Asc, would then have either a 12th house vibe, or a 1st house vibe.

By process of elimination, if you already know a person's Sun, yet they attract a pMoon of a different sign consistently, that other sign would be what the Ascendant is.

posted May 24, 2019 09:47 AM            

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so here's the thing - gemini asc here
but according to your method i'd be a scorpio asc. christ i can't keep them away from me
people guess scorpio when they meet me as well
and yes my birth time is exact, the nurse screamed it at my birth and she was very into astro too so she knew the significance

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posted May 24, 2019 10:01 AM            

Madonna's ascendant is unknown. There have been many guesses, but no official documentation exists. Using my relationships method it was quite easy figure out.

To date Madonna has had three significant relationships in her life - two husbands and one sire.

When Madonna met and married her first husband, his pMoon was in Gemini. It's a clue, but hardly definitive as her chart could've been playing on his.

When Madonna married her second husband, his pMoon was also in Gemini. Now, something that resembles a pattern emerges, but more information is needed.

When Madonna met and mated with the father of her first child his pMoon was in/around Taurus. When they broke up his pMoon was in Gemini.

posted May 24, 2019 10:20 AM            

Traditional astrology teaches that the New Moon (conjunction) marks the beginning of things, and the Full Moon (opposition) marks the ending of things - thus the beginning and ending occur in different places. Don't agree with this.

Question: When does a New Year begin? When does an Old Year end?

Answer: They both occur in the same place. At 12:00 Midnight, a New Year begins. At 12:00 Midnight, an Old Year ends.

Thus, the same aspects present at the start of a relationship, are the same ones present at the end of a relationship - a conjunction.

re: Madonna. Of the three men in her life, two entered with pMoon in Gemini, one left with pMoon in Gemini.

This points strongly to her Ascendant being Gemini. As a Gemini agent, people will enter her life as they progress to Gemini. On the flip side, people already in her life, when ready, will exit when they too progress to Gemini...or Leo.