posted May 30, 2019 12:12 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Think of Michael Jackson who we all worshiped and adored who was extremely charming and groomed the world, he ended up been a pedophile, the red flags were always there but we refused to see them and made up excuses for him so you can fall for a murderer and not know it.

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the last time i told someone that michael jackson exhibited clear red flags even if they didnt want to consider him an actual pedo (personally i do but i didnt want to go down that road) i got bitched at for a while

his hold over people is actually really fascinating, and i find it interesting that hero worship makes people so willingly blind to **** like that and unable to separate talent or works from who the person was like one cancels out the other

i think when someone is into murderers though it's a little different because in a lot of ways sex and death blend (both 8th house for a reason) so i can see where the lines might blur for a person even though it's not my thing

my fiancee didn't feel like speaking to that chick to ask her yet and couldnt remember her birthday, because (and someone mentioned mental illness here) the chick does have mental issues and a conversation with her can open up a lot of **** but i'll ask again because i'm curious now that i thought about how my mother finds that sort of thing attractive (but doesnt write to them) and is a libra sun with a scorpio stellium (and i'm betting that chick probably has scorpio given that im relatively sure of her sun sign)

also come to think of it i have a friend who writes to prisoners, scorpio moon

posted May 30, 2019 12:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
the last time i told someone that michael jackson exhibited clear red flags even if they didnt want to consider him an actual pedo (personally i do but i didnt want to go down that road) i got bitched at for a while

his hold over people is actually really fascinating, and i find it interesting that hero worship makes people so willingly blind to **** like that and unable to separate talent or works from who the person was like one cancels out the other

i think when someone is into murderers though it's a little different because in a lot of ways sex and death blend (both 8th house for a reason) so i can see where the lines might blur for a person even though it's not my thing

my fiancee didn't feel like speaking to that chick to ask her yet and couldnt remember her birthday, because (and someone mentioned mental illness here) the chick does have mental issues and a conversation with her can open up a lot of **** but i'll ask again

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It is very fascinating indeed. I have learned a lot about that type of trauma from his case and how grooming can involve families and even the world, not just the child abused and yes when the person is famous they have more power over us bc we put them up in a pedestal so the cognitive dissonance is stronger leading to denial.

posted May 30, 2019 12:21 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Yes seriously, if you actually try to understand instead of having an extreme judgemental reaction to it you see what the writer who wrote that article from Psychology Today is trying convey.

I also mentioned that it can be a desire to heal the "inner hurt child" of the killer which is similar to saying they want to fix or save them but the subconscious reasons and motivation can vary depending on the woman but this reason would go inline with the archetype of the "beauty and the beast."

I lot of women are attracted to bad boys, this is just an extreme manifestation of it. Think of the show Lucifer were they portray the god of the underworld and how charming he is, often these women fall for the charm. There are many variables that play into it.

Think of Michael Jackson who we all worshiped and adored who was extremely charming and groomed the world, he ended up been a pedophile, the red flags were always there but we refused to see them and made up excuses for him so you can fall for a murderer and not know it.

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Can you point me to the article? I totally believe in that possibility... just find it funny, lol. I can understand people falling for killers before knowing the truth... but if they already know the truth and still fall for them? That's a lot of psychological complexities at play and cannot be assigned to any astrological aspect. I believe these killers project something that the women resonate with (could be saviour mentality like you said... could also be a kindred spirit e.g. Bonnie & Clyde).

posted May 30, 2019 12:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
also come to think of it i have a friend who writes to prisoners, scorpio moon

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posted May 30, 2019 12:32 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
It is very fascinating indeed. I have learned a lot about that type of trauma from his case and how grooming can involve families and even the world, not just the child abused and yes when the person is famous they have more power over us bc we put them up in a pedestal so the cognitive dissonance is stronger leading to denial.

Thanks for asking!

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yeah grooming the world, i like that, puts it into perspective perfectly

i find it really interesting though because you watch people who can be level headed become the complete opposite and start instantly treating children negatively calling them liars and gold diggers etc instead of maybe thinking a grown man who speaks with childlike inflection and has a 12 year old practically on his lap and a history of being abused growing up in a ****** industry etc might just legit be a pedophile

it bothers me to see it honestly because being real just statistically a lot of rape and molestation cases do end up with the victim being blamed or ignored etc and people can get so outraged about that while simultaneously demonizing children when a guy who's legit made out of red flags is brought up

i thought of a few women who mix the whole sex/death thing btw, and ive been out of it lately which is why the obvious people in my life didnt occur to me (fiancee, mother, friend ive known half my life lol the charles manson christmas card just outweighed all of that) to mention, but scorpio placements for all of them

and im pretty sure venus-neptune with all of them too if i remember right (not sure about my mother or friend but my fiancee has the sextile and im pretty sure my mother has them conjunct) considering im pretty sure christmas card chick is a libra assuming scorpio is highly likely in her chart too

posted May 30, 2019 12:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Can you point me to the article? I totally believe in that possibility... just find it funny, lol. I can understand people falling for killers before knowing the truth... but if they already know the truth and still fall for them? That's a lot of psychological complexities at play and cannot be assigned to any astrological aspect. I believe these killers project something that the women resonate with (could be saviour mentality like you said... could also be a kindred spirit e.g. Bonnie & Clyde).

Draculas is a different thing... it has been romanticised in novels, movies, animes... but I believe if a real Vampire (if it's even real) were to appear in front of me, I would run instead.

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hahahaha

I would totally run too. You ain't sucking my blood! I will hit him in the face with a metal shovel and run.

hahahaha

Yes that is another good archetype to reference "Bonnie and Clyde," In some cases this women may identify with the killer's shadow side but don't themselves act out their shadow in that manner but can relate to them unconsciously.

posted May 30, 2019 12:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Do you know what s/he writes to them about? Tbh I can totally picture myself corresponding or maybe even interviewing a killer because I've always been intrigued by their psyche... what motivates them and made them kill. It's not because I'm attracted to them... but simple, plain curiosity. I've always been interested in their stories... like the more twisted they are, the more I'm intrigued. I don't have Scorpio or 8H placements though.

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their lives and such mostly from what i know, i'm not sure if she still does it or not i just remember a few years ago her mentioning one guy in particular and talking about his relationship with his mother that he opened up with her about and such

she's done work with prisoners outside of that (she did this thing where she was working with pregnant women in jail too and teaching them early childcare for when they got out and such) too and is just generally drawn to people who have issues and trying to help them (she would drive to shady parts of the city she lived in and give the prostitutes clothes and **** too, volunteered and baked for a recovery group etc) so i'm not sure if it comes from that place for her or the part of her that's fascinated with the darker side of life and that finds death and such sexual (she writes erotic horror)

i think the scorpio/8th house stuff can be where the fetish **** comes in but i think a general fascination with that kind of thing is fairly normal which is why there's entire channels and tv shows dedicated to that sort of thing

posted May 30, 2019 12:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
yeah grooming the world, i like that, puts it into perspective perfectly

i find it really interesting though because you watch people who can be level headed become the complete opposite and start instantly treating children negatively calling them liars and gold diggers etc instead of maybe thinking a grown man who speaks with childlike inflection and has a 12 year old practically on his lap and a history of being abused growing up in a ****** industry etc might just legit be a pedophile

it bothers me to see it honestly because being real just statistically a lot of rape and molestation cases do end up with the victim being blamed or ignored etc and people can get so outraged about that while simultaneously demonizing children when a guy who's legit made out of red flags is brought up

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BAM BAM BAM! Well said!

posted May 30, 2019 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Do you know what s/he writes to them about? Tbh I can totally picture myself corresponding or maybe even interviewing a killer because I've always been intrigued by their psyche... what motivates them and made them kill. It's not because I'm attracted to them... but simple, plain curiosity. I've always been interested in their stories... like the more twisted they are, the more I'm intrigued. I don't have Scorpio or 8H placements though.

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What rules your 8th house? and what placements and aspects does your 8th house ruler make in your chart?

posted May 30, 2019 12:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
their lives and such mostly from what i know, i'm not sure if she still does it or not i just remember a few years ago her mentioning one guy in particular and talking about his relationship with his mother that he opened up with her about and such

she's done work with prisoners outside of that (she did this thing where she was working with pregnant women in jail too and teaching them early childcare for when they got out and such) too and is just generally drawn to people who have issues and trying to help them (she would drive to shady parts of the city she lived in and give the prostitutes clothes and **** too, volunteered and baked for a recovery group etc) so i'm not sure if it comes from that place for her or the part of her that's fascinated with the darker side of life and that finds death and such sexual (she writes erotic horror)

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Since she writes erotic horror, then her motivation is quite obvious - to gather inspirations for her work. The charity part could be her way to gain trust and get into these people's lives.

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i think it's like walking past an accident and looking for most people on some level

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posted May 30, 2019 01:10 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
What rules your 8th house? and what placements and aspects does your 8th house ruler make in your chart?

I am very curious too, I get what you mean.

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posted May 30, 2019 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Cap 8H. My Saturn in 2H sextile Sun/Mercury 12H, trine Mars/Lilith 10H, c-parallel Moon 7H.

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posted May 30, 2019 01:40 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Maybe the sextile to the sun/mercury is what sparks your curiosity (mercury) and desire to bring light (sun) to 8th house matters.

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8H ruler to Mercury... is that how you look at it? 🙃

Btw, I read the article... very interesting. And I note what Martinez said about Bolin: "She sensed his loneliness and isolation. She told a reporter, “It affected me because I felt the same way.” -- Kindred spirit. She sees herself in him.

As for Boone, I feel that she partly wanted media attention, partly she saw her shadow side in Bundy. It says: "she eventually realised he was guilty" (I believe that she already knew) and "she took her child and moved away". -- because showtime was over for her. I also believe that she had a child with Bundy because it allowed her to reminisce the moments ... just like how serial killers like to keep something that reminds them of the victims.

posted May 30, 2019 02:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
8H ruler to Mercury... is that how you look at it? 🙃

Btw, I read the article... very interesting. And I note what Martinez said about Bolin: "She sensed his loneliness and isolation. She told a reporter, “It affected me because I felt the same way.” -- Kindred spirit. She sees herself in him.

As for Boone, I feel that she partly wanted media attention, partly she sees her shadow side in Bundy. It says "she eventually realised he was guilty" (I believe that she already knew) and "she took her child and moved away". -- because showtime's over. And I believe she had a child with Bundy because it allows her to reminisce the moments after it's over... just like how serial killers keep something of the victims.

😛 My own psychoanalysis.

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posted May 30, 2019 05:51 PM            

you know initially my knee jerk reaction was to tell you that she genuinely likes helping people, but then i really thought about it and not only does she actively research story ideas to depths like that but i've also had some bad arguments with her in the past about how some of her help seemed to come with ulterior motives

lol she'd always flip her **** out on me but i think some of those times it was pretty clear

i think it's likely a combination of genuine interest in those people and self interest manifesting as being helpful and you're probably right

i hadn't thought of it that way because it wouldn't occur to me to do any of those things for those reasons, but when i think about it and **** she's said it actually sounds about right

posted May 30, 2019 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Serial killers are a fascinating bunch tho, especially if they are psychopathic too, I certainly find them intriguing. i was watching this interview of this serial killer(can't remember the name) a while back and he said he killed because he felt a certain sensation(like something shattered like a glass in his brain, giving him tingles all over) whenever he killed, and he hunted for that sensation, but the more he killed the duller the sensation got, but he still wanted to feel it, what he felt when he killed for the first few times...

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well that makes killing sound a lot like heroin lol

serial killers tend to have such a specific set of nature/nurture things going on that they get boring to me past a certain point because you just know what to expect

i really enjoyed david berkowitz's letters to his neighbor craig glassman though, those are amazing

posted June 01, 2019 03:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
@Hikaru29

you know initially my knee jerk reaction was to tell you that she genuinely likes helping people, but then i really thought about it and not only does she actively research story ideas to depths like that but i've also had some bad arguments with her in the past about how some of her help seemed to come with ulterior motives

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The skeptic in me tells me she has selfish motives. Then again, I believe a part of her may also empathise with them...sometimes we do things with a complexity of emotions.

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and yeah the scorpio 8th house stuff is more in depth, but i just mean i think most people find that kind of thing intriguing enough to want to look for a little while and know [/B]

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posted June 01, 2019 07:51 AM            

I can also feel a Pluto vibe about it. (or 8th house?) Like maybe at first they're interested in finding out what exactly makes said criminal/serial killer that way, what happened to them to become the person that they are right now. What drives them to commit such a horrible crime. Some weird kind of psychological fascination.

That's the two vibes I immediately get from the thread. :smile:

posted June 03, 2019 12:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
well that makes killing sound a lot like heroin lol

serial killers tend to have such a specific set of nature/nurture things going on that they get boring to me past a certain point because you just know what to expect

i really enjoyed david berkowitz's letters to his neighbor craig glassman though, those are amazing

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posted June 03, 2019 12:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
well that makes killing sound a lot like heroin lol

serial killers tend to have such a specific set of nature/nurture things going on that they get boring to me past a certain point because you just know what to expect

i really enjoyed david berkowitz's letters to his neighbor craig glassman though, those are amazing

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ya it's just the same with everything though eh, but ya killing does get boring after a while I guess, boring than even playing some video games, I used to be a huge video game addict back in teenage, video games and porn, and chicks, altho chicks are better addiction than either I guess, can ruin a life lot worse than either of them too tho lolllll

posted June 03, 2019 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
It's human nature to be attracted to anything new, strange, unique, sensational. To me the Scorpio/8H focus is different. They pick a subject and dive deep. They're not interested in superficial knowledge (which is more Gemini). They'll turn things inside out to study it. I've Pluto quincunx Sun... I sometimes get into situations where I "test" myself... to see how much I can endure or how much others' can endure.

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my fiancee still hasn't spoken to that chick unfortunately so i forgot this thread existed sorry about that

i'm sure it is complex, most things are with people, but i guess i'm so used to being yelled at by her about how she never does anything with an ulterior motive (even though she does) that i didn't think about it

also we don't talk frequently anymore so i like her more than when i talk to her a lot so i'm inclined to see the best in her currently lol

yeah you're right, your quincunx could be why you dig deep

i have the sextile and pluto falls in my first house in a lot of house systems but i'm honestly not the type to really dig very deep with most things

posted June 03, 2019 02:30 PM            

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ya it's just the same with everything though eh, but ya killing does get boring after a while I guess, boring than even playing some video games, I used to be a huge video game addict back in teenage, video games and porn, and chicks, altho chicks are better addiction than either I guess, can ruin a life lot worse than either of them too tho lolllll

I have this slight feeling that addictions are caused by leakage of energy from chakras

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it's not that heroin gets boring it's that your tolerance goes up rapidly so you stop feeling it the same, and you have to increasingly take more to come close to getting the same high

like how with lsd if you want to trip for 24 hours you have to take double or more after the first 12 and you don't get the visuals back the same way they were the first night

it's not that it's boring to trip for 24 hours, it's great, but you need more to keep it going or it doesn't work

i miss when i enjoyed video games the way i used to, i still play here and there but i used to play halo on social slayer mode, gears of war horde mode ******* constantly

i'd just smoke a **** ton of weed, snipe, and rack up on headshots for hours

i've had multiple people tell me my sacral chakra is weird separately from each other

but yeah i imagine needing to kill more to get the same rush or kill in more extreme ways/circumstances for it makes it similar to needing to dose up rather than it being a boredom factor