posted August 20, 2019 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Still_Hopeful:
DRVM614K come on, no need to express your option so aggressively.

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posted August 20, 2019 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by DRVM614K:
she's not listening to that. she's only worried about whats (astrologically) sensible. she's a leo so anything against her ego values is an insult. she values plastic over red clay.

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it's her body ultimately, if altering it would make her happy then that's up to her

edit: btw she's not hindering what makes her human or a woman if she chooses to alter her body, she just might be making a potential mistake

personally i think a lot of people who are young tend to be insecure and then grow to accept themselves more with age so i thonk there's a strong possibility her current fixation will be a passing thought by the time she has the funds to potentially do anything

posted August 20, 2019 03:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
it's her body ultimately, if altering it would make her happy then that's up to her

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there's a philosophy behind why one would want to do such things. the issue isn't the altering, the issue is initiating factor being that of competing with the status quo that is everything but behooving to ones being. this is strictly business I don't know any user. I do know archetypes and tendencies.

posted August 20, 2019 03:34 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Her nose is perfect, there is nothing wrong with it, she has body image issues clearly and sadly.

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posted August 20, 2019 03:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i don't know what you look like so i wont comment and say some **** about that, but i will say sometimes perceived imperfections are what makes someone attractive

it can make them stand out

it sounds like you're really young and can't do it right away anyway, so maybe as you get a little older you'll feel more secure with yourself

if you don't and you still feel like ypu need it, you do you, but there's always the risk that you don't like the result and sometimes **** goes wrong

ive seen plastic surgery look good and i've seen it just slightly alter someone in a way where they were prettier before even though i couldnt place what was wrong with their face after that was less attractive

something to consider

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I understand what you mean; because I have Venus In The 1st House, when I see other people's faces to determine whether or not they're attractive, my brain thinks "symmetry". Whereas most people, who don't have a 1st Venus, don't care about the details, and sees a face as a whole. Right?

posted August 20, 2019 03:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
Hi everyone

Eyebrows excluded, although I have not devoted any time, nor energy, into wearing makeup, for the past 3 years, I'd like to have symmetrical features. My family members think I should accept my attractive face the way it is, but I'm not happy with it. When I hated my uneven gums and asymmetric teeth, my mother paid to get them fixed through 2 dental surgeries; now I LOVE my smile.

There's nothing anyone can do about having uneven eyes, but since mine are big beautiful "watery", I've accepted that I have one higher than the other. However, I cannot stand my asymmetric nose because it ruins, the symmetry of my feminine bone structure and proportions. I'm not 100% sure about getting a rhinoplasty, since I have what-is-considered a "small" nose; but I'm very interested in starting off with either a non-surgical nose job, or an alarplasty to correct my nose.

Also, my lips are slightly too big and asymmetric, so I'm contemplating getting a lip-reduction done, at some point in my 20s. It's not a top financial priority though.

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I have not ready the thread yet.

But honestly, the slight nuances to someone’s appearance is what makes them attractive and unique.

There’s nothing wrong with cosmetic surgery, if done tastefully. But wait a few more years at least.

Starting on the slippery slope of surgery actually makes you look older and more ‘aged’, believe it or not. It starts to have a reverse effect and you may miss out on your youthful looks.

Appreciating what you have projects confidence; confidence if so attractive.

posted August 20, 2019 03:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:

I understand what you mean; because I have Venus In The 1st House, when I see other people's faces to determine whether or not they're attractive, my brain thinks "symmetry". Whereas most people, who don't have a 1st Venus, don't care about the details, and sees a face as a whole. Right?

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i wouldn't necessarily say that i have venus in libra conjunct my ascendant by 2 degrees, though in placidus it's from the 12th house not the first to be fair (i also have first house scorpio pluto and pluto sextile sun, my venus is aspected a **** ton)

generally speaking it is normal for people to respond to symmetry as being attractive, but perfect symmetry doesn't exist like that

you might essentially just go from feeling pretty to being a bit uncanny valley in which case you might not feel as comfortable

i know you have things when it comes to perfection because i've seen your threads on exercise and eating habits etc so i imagine this is similar to that for you where you have this idea of making yourself as perfect as possible, but when you start altering your face because you're nitpicking you should consider that maybe it's hitting an unhealthy point and that you might not be happy

a surgeon is only human, they can make mistakes and won't create perfection

unorthodox suggestion but try taking shrooms and looking in the mirror, you might realize when detached there's a lot more you like about yourself than you thought you did

sometimes hyperfocusing is just because you're being harder on yourself than you would be to anyone else, and i promise you unless someone has problems they're not critiquing you that obsessively and noticing which eye is slightly different etc and so on

posted August 20, 2019 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by DRVM614K:
there's a philosophy behind why one would want to do such things. the issue isn't the altering, the issue is initiating factor being that of competing with the status quo that is everything but behooving to ones being. this is strictly business I don't know any user. I do know archetypes and tendencies.

the objective isn't about the end result, its about the path to the end. when one has the capacity to see the more beneficial path to the end and decides to take an alternate route, not due to ones own values, but those of individuals who are emotional, socially financially, and mentally hostile towards one there's an issue of ethics at that point. its not just about the individual at that point when the individual has the capacity and is aware of the situation and still decides to in this situation destroy ones self ultimately for the acceptance of ones enemy. one has become an enemy to those who once were allies to the subject.

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everyone has their own reasons yes, but they don't necessarily all break down just to the one you're projecting

you can only go so far by judging things on projection, and i think "destroy" is a strong word to begin with

people can alter their bodies and not be "destroyed"

like i said i think she should think about it and try accepting herself as is, and she's young so this could just be a passing thought that will go away as she gets older

a lot of people have insecurities when they're younger about themselves that don't necessarily last or become manageable as they get older and their perspectives change

posted August 20, 2019 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:

I understand what you mean; because I have Venus In The 1st House, when I see other people's faces to determine whether or not they're attractive, my brain thinks "symmetry". Whereas most people, who don't have a 1st Venus, don't care about the details, and sees a face as a whole. Right?

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Yeah, I don’t think like that. I have 1st house Venus squared by Pluto; facial symmetry or generic good looks - I can give or take, they just blend into the crowd.

As for me, my face is certainly not symmetrical! My nose is bent and I have deep scars on my cheeks and brows.

posted August 20, 2019 05:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
it's projection, and when you forcefully project you sometimes just serve to alienate people and detract from your initial point

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When someone states a (noun)is (adjective) for a (noun) theres a context of contrast behind the statement. fact
when a person says "shes's heavy for a 2 year old" 9/10 the person is insinuating the 2 year olds light.
"this is soft for leather" insinuating leather is hard. whether that's the trtuth or not its the intent of the message. CONTRAST

NOW when she says she(noun) has been called pretty (adjective) for BLACK GIRL(NOUN) its insinuating CONTRAST. BLACK GIRL CONRASTS PRETTY. Theres no projection. its a common belief that has been pounded into the heads of society as whole world wide.

I lied it was a projection. the fact I looked at the 1st 3 posts and saw direction the post was going due to prior threads that ended up being %100 accurate..... .

you address the intense rhetoric I display but do nothing about societies belief that people are beautiful regardless of race.

you are part of the problem.

posted August 20, 2019 05:56 PM            

her first post was about symmetry and i've seen her speak about her fixation with healthy eating and exercise as well, symmetry isn't just related to a specific race so it wasn't my first thought that it had anything to do with her ethnicity

it seemed more like possible bdd or other issues to me which isn't race specific

i'm pretty sure me being equal opportunity when it comes to sex and what i find attractive (regardless of race or gender) is me doing my personal part

i noticed you brought race up first, not her so to me you sort of led the conversation there to begin with and i'm sure she's heard dumb **** come out of people's mouths but that doesn't mean that's the entirety of the issue

like i said given the other fixations i've seen her mention in the past and the fact that beauty isn't a matter of race and neither is symmetry it didn't occur to me that the entirety of her issue was race related

i was going off of what i read in this thread and what i've seen elsewhere

calling me part of the problem as if i say **** like "you're pretty for an x" to anyone is senseless, because i don't think like that which is exactly why this being some race issue didn't even cross my mind

there are people who deal with that kind of discrimination and don't necessarily think less of themselves for it or come to terms with it etc and their insecurities could stem from somewhere else

don't take your **** towards a group of people out on me and call me part of the problem for saying if someone wants to alter their body they're not necessarily destroying themselves and it's their body to alter

like i told her she should consider being kinder to herself and her perceived flaws, but if she chooses to go the route of surgery that's her business and i'm not going to talk to her as if she's a "destroyed" human or a "ruined woman" or whatever because she made a decision i don't think is necessarily the best choice for most people to make

i had valid reason for saying that it's possible the issue isn't just her race and white people, you're free disagree but again don't tell me i'm part of the problem when i never say **** like that and don't have those standards

i don't see "beauty" as just a single thing defined by race or gender, like i said i'm just attracted to people on a personal level

there's no such thing as "pretty for..." someone either is or they're not, but i don't need to go off on societal standards (which are changing) to have those views in a thread where a young woman is talking about being bothered by facial symmetry like her eyes not being perfectly symmetrical or having had dental surgery etc

edit: to clarify i view plastic surgery in the same way i view tattoos, scarification, piercings, extreme body mods (split tongues and implants) etc and so on

so to me if a person is building themselves into something they want to achieve and it makes them happy i see no reason to judge them for it or make like it's them catering to other people rather than doing it for themselves necessarily

posted August 20, 2019 06:38 PM            

The rhetoric of "you're pretty for an x" is so mainstream any can identify with it. everybody uses it. the point is you know the common context in which the phrase is used. and its not about race. its about the subjects perspective on the posted thread that's been morphed due to how that group is treated.

im saying ur responsible 2nd handedly because the residual energy reaches you do so much in your power to deflect the point being made. im saying when the issue is brought to your attention you say it can be anything but that. I wasn't trying to be specific but she states facial features that 90% of the time apply exclusively to black people.

posted August 20, 2019 07:08 PM            

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again i said her issue might stem from elsewhere i'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, i can't speak for someone else any better than you can

i'm saying you're projecting your views onto her feelings and then treating it like you're definitely right and that's not how **** works

only she can speak for herself, you can't speak for her and you're pretending to be able to

am i saying you're wrong? no you could be right, but that doesn't imply that you're 100% on point

again her fixation in this thread was about symmetry which has nothing to do with race

it is projection to suggest you know someone else's inner workings when they haven't said that what you're saying is 100% what's behind their feelings and thoughts

that's the nature of projection

the history is irrelevant to that being the case

again not saying you're 100% wrong, i'm saying you can't speak for everyone

"everybody uses it" no they don't, like i said i don't because that's not how i look at people once again you're talking to someone who doesn't have a specific type regarding ethnicity or gender or anything like that outside of "be of legal age and out of high school" i don't really give a ****

a person can hear something ****** without internalizing it, you know that right?

a lot of women get nose jobs and ***** about their lips and **** whether they're "too thin" or "too big" or what the **** ever, it honestly didn't occur to me that it was necessarily race related because those are just common things women hate about themselves and she literally named a bunch of her facial features eyes, lips, nose, ******* teeth she left out cheeks and jaw but that's about it

i'm not second hand responsible for **** , and again i never said you were necessarily wrong i said you aren't necessarily right

this isn't an either or thing, it's a matter of possibility

unlike you i'm not going to pretend that i know what goes on in someone else's head and say "it's definitely this" because that's not the way people work and not the way the world works

and i'm not going to assume that i know how she views other black women either because i don't, and if she finds their features attractive then it's highly possible that it's not about her race it's just about her fixation on symmetry which is what i focused on because it's what she mentioned

blaming people for societal views just because they're not currently ranting about them makes little sense, a single person is not responsible for the general population and that kind of finger pointing you're doing alienates people from your views

when you go about things in a way where you draw negativity by being negative no one is going to just be like "yeah you're right and i'm a problem even though i don't feel like x or ever say y" you get me? it's an ineffectual manner of getting your point across

i don't do anything to appease other people, because that's ******* stupid and a waste of time and i would tell anyone else to worry about themselves not the general population

that being said, again, it's not on me to tell someone else they feel some type of way solely for the reasons i think they do and it's not on you either

you can discuss a societal issue without projecting it onto another person and declaring that as being all of their feelings about themselves or their body and then also pointing fingers at random people and telling them what they think and how they feel and how they're part of the problem

you want to point fingers turn it around towards yourself because you discuss your point of view in a way that alienates people and doesn't provide food for thought

it's just aggressive and mind numbing

i do think you're inaccurate, you're inaccurate because you think that suggesting other issues could be at play instead of only what you think is somehow an attack against your views and you twist it into trying to blame me for what the whole of society thinks by "being a bystander" just because i shared a different view of what her issue might be and suggested she work on self acceptance without bringing race into it

and i didn't bring race into it because it seemed irrelevant when the fixation was on symmetry and her eye placement was mentioned as well, i mean it's literally nit picking every part of herself and she's mentioned her eating and exercise habits too

someone who nitpicks at themselves to such an extent isn't necessarily doing it because of their race, and those kinds of behaviors aren't race specific

suggesting something else might be an issue instead of wholeheartedly agreeing with you that you know her better than anyone else here and you can speak for her isn't me being part of any problem

posted August 20, 2019 07:19 PM            

i'm sorry btw for discussing you like you can't read this, because it's really awkward and i don't care for doing that sort of thing

i don't know your personal feelings about yourself or race and i'm not assuming them and i don't think anything is necessarily wrong with you either

it's not my place to make those calls, the most i can say is that you might feel differently in the future and it might just be passing insecurities right now

again i don't know what you look like so i'm not going to do that "i'm sure you're fine" thing, because i once did that to this woman who was... jesus ******* christ not even kind of being hard on herself, and after that i told myself i would never put myself in that position again even potentially

if you choose to modify your body one day then i hope you like the result, and if you decide you're good with yourself then you know even better because there's no surgery risks that way

but yeah i just felt wrong talking like you aren't going to read any of this because it feels invasive to be putting words in your mouth or thoughts in your head that may or may not be there

posted August 20, 2019 07:20 PM            

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Originally posted by DRVM614K:
alright degenerate 5188 something. the definition of in insanity is taking the same action expecting different results.

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that's my discord tag that being said yeah probably shouldn't keep beating a dead horse unless you have a better way of explaining your opinion it's probably best to let it slide

posted August 21, 2019 11:23 AM            

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Originally posted by zodiaccode:
IMHO, I think that you're still young and you should let your features fully mature before you go under the knife. If after you've hit 25 or so and you still feel the same way, by all means, go for it!

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posted August 21, 2019 01:45 PM            

I rather support you in skincare and other ways of caring for yourself and maintaining your natural beauty.