posted October 03, 2019 11:54 AM            

His guidance called Saturn that of death. Hmm, big word in a little package. Let's unfurl this ROTE (any Bob Monroe fans out there?).

Cayce's guidance indicated that a Soul could, by constant misuse of it's freewill within both the Earth and outside of same (in the nonphysical), come to such a point of consciousness de-evolution/stagnation/retrogression, and such a lack of connection to Love and Source, that it could destroy itself and experience a true and permanent Soul death.

Cayce's guidance isn't the only spiritual source that I respect that speaks of this. Both Tom Campbell and Bruce Moen (both strongly connected to Bob Monroe) also speak on this sad potential and reality.

What I've figured out, independent of those 3 sources is that this Soul death happens most commonly in one of two main ways (there is another, but I don't feel nudged to go into it for various reasons).

One is a totally unconscious process where that Soul becomes ever more degraded spiritually by misuse of it's freewill, and when focused in the nonphysical, it eventually gets to a point of consciousness entropy. It's like unconscious, unwanted Soul suicide.

The other process involves the larger Spirit self that the Soul is connected to, deliberately "lets go" of it's energetic connection to that Soul because it has become so far gone and all attempts at retrieval have failed. The let go of Soul then goes through the 1st process and it happens faster.

What symbol did Cayce's guidance connect to this process? Saturn, that which his guidance called "death" and also referred to as that plane to which all insufficient matter was cast for the remolding.

Another common pattern associated with Saturn is what I call the rare, literal direct reincarnation of "do overs". Some of Edgar Cayce's own lives and patterns were very illuminating in this regard.

Cayce had within his Soul, memories and energetics from two different selves who during their inphysical incarnations, were both named John Bainbridge. They lived eerily similar lives as to the specific places they lived and visited, and the overall pattern and dynamic.

The first John Bainbridge was actually a Scorpio Sun and Venusian. He ended up becoming a soldier of fortune and quite a callous womanizer (apparently he was quite attractive). He left many a broken heart behind in his selfish wake.

The in between reading of the lines indicates that when he went to the nonphysical, he eventually rose up from the slower vibratory levels to the mid vibratory levels, perhaps after some time in a purifying, purgatory like dimension, and he came to deeply want a "do over". Kind of like, wow, I really screwed that up, can I get another chance please.

And so this same Soul was born under very similar conditions, as to even having the same name, being born in the same place (Cornwall England), going to the same places in America, etc, but unfortunately the call of the past was very strong in him and he repeated a lot of the same mistakes with one major caveat. Cayce said that this John Bainbridge was under Saturn (and definitely had narcissistic, if not fully psychopathic, traits).

At the end of his life, him and some other white folks were being chased by Native Americans while they were on a raft. They were all hungry, tired, and worn down. He ended up giving the last of his food to a little boy, and then ended up sacrificing his life to try to save the others (ended up drowning).

That was the crack of Light that facilitated him phasing into a faster vibratory dimension when his body died, instead of the lower levels like in his first go around.

Cayce's guidance also indicates that Saturn is strongly associated with sudden, unforeseen, almost violent/upheaval type changes that are very testing and trying in nature. Besides that, psychologically in Saturnians, is a deep attraction and alignment to the "grass is greener on the other side" mentality and lifestyle.

Rather than being super stable and consistent as is so often thought in relation to Saturn, because of their strong inherent materialistic tendencies, they often think they can make themselves "happy" through outer conditions (a new car, a new house, a new location, a new spouse, etc, etc), and thus are prone to changing those outer conditions the moment something becomes dissatisfying or sub par materially/in an outer way.

Contrast this with a strong spiritual attitude and knowing, that knows that the outer conditions usually matter far less than the inner conditions and attitudes. There is a greater tolerance and acceptance for the outer conditions generally with the latter.

In looking at transits, I have noticed this Saturn pattern of corresponding with sudden, unexpected, major changes of a testing nature. One of the most change filled, testing, self slow vibratory times of my life so far, was when Saturn was conjuncting my Ascendant/going through my 1st. I definitely became a lot more self focused/centered, self sensitive, self centered, and selfish during this time. It was like the darker aspects of my shadow was getting stirred up at this time (I'm seeing a bit of this also with it conjuncting the Sun, ruler of the chart/Ascendant, but near as intensely as when it was in the 1st).

I'm not sure where Saturn gets it reputation of stability and consistency: Maybe it's more through the Signs of Capricorn and Aquarius? These do indeed correlate and incline to a more stable, balanced, and consistent type energy and pattern.

Please understand that I'm not saying that all or any of you with Saturn very strong such as with Saturn conjunct the Ascendant, Saturn in the 1st, the closest Planet to the Ascendant, and/or conjunct the Ascendant/chart ruler are selfish, ego monsters with a lack of empathy and conscience below the norm. Not at all. The whole chart needs to be taken into account. A very strong Sun, Jupiter, Neptune, and/or Venus combo can counter balance Saturn.

And above all, we have freewill and can change our inner selves. Astrology is only about probable patterns. The Natal is a static snap shot in space/time of one's strongest, most likely tendencies and probable patterns. The inner stuff at least can be changed for the better or worse.

Ultimately, all these energies and symbols are necessary, and ultimately, what is most helpful is a balanced, integrated attunement to ALL of them, while being led by the ideals and consciousness of universal Love. This combo is what the White Light represents. Saturn is just as much a part of the White Light as any other symbol.

When Saturn is being used more positively by someone that is strongly attuned to it, deeper shades of green are often very strong in the aura, as well as an attraction to physically based healing professions or science (a strong/developed intellect is fairly common).

(very strong Saturn at it's worst, correlates with a very dark red and black aura and to hard core psychopathy. These folks are pure selfishness/ego, with a complete lack of felt empathy and conscience. These are the ones that will experience Soul death if they don't start to change themselves to the most positive and love attuned).

posted October 03, 2019 04:08 PM            

It is quite confusing and definitely not for the casual follower of astrology or the hobbyist.

Also, when Cayce spoke of astrology he was including a far, far broader influence than what you can see as factors in your birth chart, especially according to western/modern practices of interpretation. You could look at my birth chart and see the Saturn-Sun conjunction and parallel and other aspects and think that Saturn is very strong with me, but it is actually the weakest of the seven traditional planets in overall strength (Shadbala strength rating), even if it is strong enough to be an observable factor in my personality. That's the difference between Saturn as a pronounced influence this lifetime and accumulated development of its energies within the soul's history. The astrology he used was interdimensional and included between-life sojourns that could involve time spent in any planetary sphere of consciousness.

Check Charles Manson's chart and you'll see Saturn is stronger than any other planet by far (alluding to what you brought up about the darker side of it). It is more about balance. We're here to develop fully all the energies of our souls that correlate to the different planets: balance.

The modern humanistic rendering of Saturn as teacher, challenger of our character through hardship, delays, etc, is a far more useful way of encapsulating how to proceed with Saturn on a personal level in order to develop the positive, constructive energies within this so-called malefic. It is fundamentally about control -- self-control that creates the capacity to lead by example (responsibility, accountability)-- or the negative use of externalized control of others (manipulation, exploitation).

posted October 03, 2019 11:28 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Graham:

I see Saturn differently ... as being akin to a parent who keeps us safe, by externally imposing the rules - until we understand them well enough to know when breaking them is the right thing to do.

Hence, the rings of Saturn symbolise the lessons that must be learned before one is [b]ready to venture into the realm of Uranus. [/B]

---

Yes, that's the fairly standard view, and it does apply to the universal, archetypal side of Saturn as it applies to everyone.

However, what I'm talking about is different. I'm talking about those individuals who are particularly and predominately attuned to Saturn and what it means on a deeper level.

But to be sure, the universal, archetypal Saturn is the lesson giver/hard teacher that is very much necessary.

We spiritually grow most through friction, testing, challenge, and difficulty. We also grow when we redress difficult/heavy karma. But again, this is the universal, archetypal side of Saturn that applies to all. That is the positive and very necessary side of Saturn.

posted October 03, 2019 11:38 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I absolutely do not agree with this belief that one has to be "self-less" to "cross the stream"....if Saturn is not gonna earn money for ur ass, whose gonna pay the bills ??

---

Not sure what you mean by crossing the stream?

The ultimate goal of most Spirits, and many Souls connected to many Spirits, is to re awaken to their Oneness with the Source and with the Whole.

For that, one has to be perfectly and completely attuned to pure universal Love. It is possible. We had a wayshower come and example it to the nth degree.

There is a Universal Law talked about in many different spiritual and religious traditions in different words and analogies, but they all are speaking to the same Law. That Law can be summed up in "Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like."

In other words, to become fully one, in a fully conscious sense, with the Source (which we all were at some point), then we have to become fully LIKE the Source, and the tastes and glimpses that I have had of this Consciousness in dreams and very deep meditation, confirms what many mystics, explorers, NDE'rs, etc, have found out similarly that this Consciousness can be best described in human terms, as pure Love.

And perception follows beingness. We can perceive only so far as we expand and purify our consciousness.

posted October 04, 2019 12:26 AM            

quote:

---

Something to keep in mind about the Cayce readings is that he spoke in widely varying voices (as if channeling different entities) when speaking on astrology. For example, sometimes the voice worked with astrology in western terms and the tropical zodiac; other times he spoke poorly of it and said it was off by nearly a whole sign and recommended people study and only use what he referred to as the Persian or Babylonian school (represented in India today).

---

Am well aware of the Readings and what they say on astrology and many other topics. Started studying same at age 16, and I'll be 40 this January.

The latter I believe is a common misconception/interpretation of what is said. If you note the Reading that talks about this, it talks about the "fixed" system. It is the Western system that is Fixed, and the Persians were Arabs, and the Arabic and Greek are closer to each other than the Indian.

However, it's also very clear that his source also refers to the moving Zodiac as well.

Doesn't really matter too much, because I'm not really addressing Signs so much as Angles and the Planetary positions in relation to them. This doesn't change much whether using Tropical or Sidereal. It is the Angles and relative Planetary positions to same, that primarily determine the strength/activity and passivity of the different Planets.

Cayce's guidance largely downplayed Signs, and sometimes referred to them as the "wavering" indications. Most of the ancients also didn't place as much emphasis on Signs as we tend to today, interestingly.

quote:

---

It is quite confusing and definitely not for the casual follower of astrology or the hobbyist.

---

Indeed. There is a lot to unpack there.

quote:

---

Also, when Cayce spoke of astrology he was including a far, far broader influence than what you can see as factors in your birth chart, especially according to western/modern practices of interpretation. You could look at my birth chart and see the Saturn-Sun conjunction and parallel and other aspects and think that Saturn is very strong with me, but it is actually the weakest of the seven traditional planets in overall strength (Shadbala strength rating), even if it is strong enough to be an observable factor in my personality. That's the difference between Saturn as a pronounced influence this lifetime and accumulated development of its energies within the soul's history. The astrology he used was interdimensional and included between-life sojourns that could involve time spent in any planetary sphere of consciousness.

---

I'm not one to think that Solar conjunctions necessarily equal "very strong". In fact, there are ancient traditions and practices that teach that Planets become weaker when too close to the Sun, and they have to be extremely closely conjunct same and within a certain declination to become "protected" and thus powerful/highlighted. It's like some of the ancients viewed the Sun like a powerful hurricane where the only safe area was in the exact center eye of the storm.

Now, astrology being an art and science of relativity, this might apply less to those with Leo Rising for example, because it becomes a receptive, sensitive, amplifying symbol through it's connection with the Ascendant.

Either way, Angles are more personal and amplifying than the Sun in my long time experience, especially when talking the Ascendant and 1st House connections.

As to the latter part of what you said, well exactly, and it's this deeper layer that we are getting to here, and using Cayce's own lifetimes to outline same. As mentioned, the first John Bainbridge, when he was born, was primarily Venusian and Scorpio attuned. But through a combo of rough circumstances, and limited use of his freewill, he became ever more destructive and selfish in attunement. To the point, when his body died, he was first attracted to what could be called the lower levels filled with other selfish, empathy lacking, wayward Souls like himself.

Thus why Cayce's guidance said that the 2nd John Bainbridge entered in from Saturn. And this John, repeated all the same mistakes the first one did, except for at the very end where he somewhat redeemed himself.

It is very well to understand how and why astrology REALLY works, especially on these deeper and more holistic levels. It is so rarely talked about, which is part of the reason why I address it so often.

quote:

---

Check Charles Manson's chart and you'll see Saturn is stronger than any other planet by far (alluding to what you brought up about the darker side of it).

---

Him, Ted Bundy, Dick Cheney, etc, there are many examples of those with very strong and difficult Saturns with a lack of highlighting of the faster vibratory symbols, that are very lacking in empathy and conscience. It is the symbol that most corresponds to psychopathy/ASPD when predominant.

quote:

---

It is more about balance. We're here to develop fully all the energies of our souls that correlate to the different planets: balance.

---

Well yes, and this has already been outlined by self, such as in this, "Ultimately, all these energies and symbols are necessary, and ultimately, what is most helpful is a balanced, integrated attunement to ALL of them, while being led by the ideals and consciousness of universal Love. This combo is what the White Light represents. Saturn is just as much a part of the White Light as any other symbol."

With that said, the biggest problem facing humanity right now is the combo issue of class war and psychopathic plutocrats that have undue power and influence in this world and over humanity. We desperately need various different, holistic tools, to better identify these psychopathic plutocrat types, and astrology is one of those tools, along with psychology, psychism, spiritual insight, etc.

quote:

---

The modern humanistic rendering of Saturn as teacher, challenger of our character through hardship, delays, etc, is a far more useful way of encapsulating how to proceed with Saturn on a personal level in order to develop the positive, constructive energies within this so-called malefic. It is fundamentally about control -- self-control that creates the capacity to lead by example (responsibility, accountability)-- or the negative use of externalized control of others (manipulation, exploitation).

---

See my reply to Graham. There are different levels to astrology. What you are describing is the universal, archetypal Saturn as it applies to everyone. I'm more addressing those individuals who are particularly attuned to Saturn, and how and why they got there to begin with.

It's not a consciousness level one gets to by being nice, positive, loving, spiritually minded and acting, etc. Cayce's guidance is VERY clear and consistent on that. With that said, occasionally one does see some references to those who have Saturn strong (not predominant) who are using it more positively.

For one lady, who had been Is Ar Ar Ra in Egypt, a combo of strong Saturn and Uranus related to a lack of fear of most things, except for hurting others. This is Saturn brought to a higher level through that balance and through the faster vibratory symbols also being highlighted at the same time (Venus, and maybe also Neptune and Jupiter were strong in her chart if I remember correctly).

But there are many more references to Saturn being strong and highlighted within the chart of the person, and it corresponding with strong materialism, strong selfishness, and basically anti-Spirit and anti-love tendencies.

One person, who was a big wig in the military, got some scathing feedback. I think it was likely a case of a psychopath in sheeps clothing, but the source laid into them like it rarely ever did, while speaking to their unusually strong personality magnetism, but blasting them for their extreme selfishness and lack of concern for others. This kind of blunt and overtly critical feedback was extremely rare. The guidance tended to be fairly diplomatic and tried to emphasize the positive and good while minimizing the faults, weaknesses, and errors.

And if you think that the Creative Forces are happy with this world and it's state, and how much we have let these psychopathic plutocrats screw up things here for all of us, then I would say, you'd be quite surprised by the guidance I have received in dreams and in other ways about these issues.

They are fairly peed off, quite concerned, and fed up with the way things are here in this world, and with these Sons of Belial that never seem to learn their spiritual lessons, but keep repeating the same sick and stuck power accumulation dramas over and over again.

These are a group of Saturnians par excellence (Mars, Mercury, and/or Pluto are often quite strong as well).

posted October 04, 2019 01:36 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Not sure what you mean by crossing the stream?

The ultimate goal of most Spirits, and many Souls connected to many Spirits, is to re awaken to their Oneness with the Source and with the Whole.

For that, one has to be perfectly and completely attuned to pure universal Love. It is possible. We had a wayshower come and example it to the nth degree.

There is a Universal Law talked about in many different spiritual and religious traditions in different words and analogies, but they all are speaking to the same Law. That Law can be summed up in "Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like."

In other words, to become fully one, in a fully conscious sense, with the Source (which we all were at some point), then we have to become fully LIKE the Source, and the tastes and glimpses that I have had of this Consciousness in dreams and very deep meditation, confirms what many mystics, explorers, NDE'rs, etc, have found out similarly that this Consciousness can be best described in human terms, as pure Love.

And perception follows beingness. We can perceive only so far as we expand and purify our consciousness.

---

Every journey starts with selfish-ness though, a strong Saturn is perfectly fine to open the lower chakras, atleast thats my experience, or dare I say even upto the fifth chakra if one has travelled through a certain path, beyond that, yes, Saturn might not be that useful.

But as long as one is living one has to make use of "Saturn", atleast thats my experience speaking.

If you cannot survive this world, how can you survive the journey to that oneness?

I'd say those plutocrats and 'psychopaths" are far more well-equipped than they are being given credit for to go through the journey than your average "good" citizen who cannot even stand up for themselves when they are being screwed over and over againn!

posted October 04, 2019 08:26 AM            

------------------
Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE.

posted October 04, 2019 11:49 AM            

------------------
Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE.

posted October 04, 2019 01:17 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ami Anne:
To add, every planet has a dark side, such as one can be obsessed and work too hard to get ones goals and that would be a Saturn used in a harmful way.

---

posted October 04, 2019 04:15 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by anonymidarkness:

I'd say those plutocrats and 'psychopaths" are far more well-equipped than they are being given credit for to go through the journey than your average "good" citizen who cannot even stand up for themselves when they are being screwed over and over againn!

---

posted October 04, 2019 06:16 PM            

I am a Capricorn ( sun. ascendant. mercury, venus ) and Saturn is opposing all of them.

I have been experiencing transit Saturn conjunct all of the above. Waiting for Saturn on my Venus to end.

I have found these conunctions to be very self empowering. I have found a lot of strength in these conjuctions. I love and respect myself more.

About hardships; yes hard times. but the hard times have started with transiting Pluto. Pluto was hard ( I am Plutonic as well, making squares to the stellium above ) Saturn is relatively easier.

I have never been selfish. I am famous for being sacrificial. I always doubt, judge and blame myself. Nothing I do is ever enough.

It has been 6 years since I live at my parents, taking care of my mother suffering alzheimers and father who survived cancer. And to a person whose Uranus conjunct MC, Mars in sag, being the caregiver and being locked up in a house is hell but I am coping. Because I believe it is my responsibility and if I do otherwise my quilty concious will kill me.

The money thing; Money is not a priority in my life. I have never made choices based on it. But I need to feel secure and without money I cant. When my loved ones are sick, if I dont have the money to provide them the best medication, it hurts so badly, it eats me up.

Even when I am broke, people come to me when they are in need. They know that even I dont have it, I will find it and share it with them. If I fail to provide, it hurts so badly.

If I am sounding like a saint, pardon me. I am not. If I reallise, I am being abused, you will have my cold Saturn shoulder, and I wont be kind.

My best friend has Saturn in the 1st house. Conjuncting her ascendant and mercury. She is an angel. Everybody loves her. And she is such a giver. She gives, gives and gives... And she is very protective of her people.

I have seen Moon square Saturn people emotionaly cold and can seem cruel at times, but to me cruelty is Pluto.

posted October 04, 2019 08:21 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by charlie:
TLDR but all I will say is that without MY Saturn I probably wouldn’t be alive today. I have done sh1t and he gave me Sh1t in return. I accepted and evolved.
The grass is never greener (or browner), anywhere, than in my backyard!

Yes, I can be ruthless and selfish because at the end of the day, I have bills to pay and there ARE people that would love to see me fail. I’m not going down with them..

---

There are people who would love to see me fail, too. I don't understand it. I don't feel that way about other people. How can you want to see someone fail? Unless they're really doing awful things in the world?

posted October 05, 2019 12:43 AM            

quote:

---

In very simple terms, Saturn is the principle of discipline. It is the principle of slowly going after something you want and not giving up. ...... To add, every planet has a dark side, such as one can be obsessed and work too hard to get ones goals and that would be a Saturn used in a harmful way.

---

"You won't regret buying this book. It will decidedly help you to understand yourself and others much better, while teaching you how to turn your natal Saturn's stern, disciplinary influence into the blessing of introspective wisdom." ... Linda Goodman (referring to the 1980 UK publication of Saturn Signs, by Michael Lutin.)

Those who have this book will know already that Saturn in the rising sign = Saturn Number 1; Saturn 1 sign on from the Rising Sign = Saturn Number 2, etc. .. and that the "testing ground" of each Saturn Number are :-

01. The Self
02. Possessions
03. Adaptability
04. Roots
05. Creativity
06. Self-mastery
07. Deep Relationships
08. The Great Unknown
09. The Higher Mind
10. Career
11. Humanity
12.Inner Mind

For example ... If your Saturn Number is 8, "you have the desire to walk out a window, but your coat gets stuck on a nail. How to face death, fate, and all the other things you rarely talk about? You need to develop an understanding of the death experience and the process of death-rebirth. ... You seem to live in the shadow of chronically impending doom. ... You must overcome your desire to be in control of everything. ... Relieving yourself is your Saturn task*. You need to learn how to survive, accept death, accept life as well, and prepare for rebirth."

[*And anyone that has travelled 8 hours non-stop on a bus without a WC will know how good it feels to finally relieve oneself.
]

posted October 06, 2019 06:08 AM            

@Kannon McAfee I am absolutely in love with how you create bridges between the most entangled and complicated astrological notions and the brains of those like me who are familiar with the symbols but haven't devoted decades of lifetime to studying the science; and mostly, I feel such trust for how you weigh your analyses and interpretations allowing room for life in the science. It makes reading you very "open-minding" and healthy

posted October 06, 2019 02:36 PM            

quote:

---

"Every journey starts with selfish-ness though, a strong Saturn is perfectly fine to open the lower chakras, atleast thats my experience, or dare I say even upto the fifth chakra if one has travelled through a certain path, beyond that, yes, Saturn might not be that useful.

But as long as one is living one has to make use of "Saturn", atleast thats my experience speaking.

If you cannot survive this world, how can you survive the journey to that oneness?

I'd say those plutocrats and 'psychopaths" are far more well-equipped than they are being given credit for to go through the journey than your average "good" citizen who cannot even stand up for themselves when they are being screwed over and over againn!

In my eyes, people getting "nailed" to the coffin of this rat-race are as responsible as the "lower Saturnians" in this cycle of screwing and getting screwed. If you are getting screwed, do something bout it. if you cannot, well, accept your ******* fate. World is damn simples when you are a Saturnian, ahahah"

---

Who told you these dogmas, propaganda's, and untruths?

The world, the ego, Saturn?

That's what I thought.

Do you know how this "physical" level got manifested to begin with? I suggest asking the Creative Forces if you can be shown the origins of this level of stuckness. I have, and it was enlightening, and saddening.

It's an account of quite a sticky, tricky mess, and a lot of individuals convincing themselves of certain false beliefs about the true nature of reality.

posted October 06, 2019 02:38 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by charlie:
TLDR but all I will say is that without MY Saturn I probably wouldn’t be alive today. I have done sh1t and he gave me Sh1t in return. I accepted and evolved.
The grass is never greener (or browner), anywhere, than in my backyard!

Yes, I can be ruthless and selfish because at the end of the day, I have bills to pay and there ARE people that would love to see me fail. I’m not going down with them..

---

You'll find out at some point that spiritually there's a whole lot more.

posted October 06, 2019 02:44 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Turns out Edgar Cayce himself is a Saturnian, like........ damn!

---

Nope. He was a Uranian, who had an odd, extreme mix of very fast vibratory, very Light attuned dynamics and very slow vibratory dynamics within him. They were not blended to come to a Venusian medium/mean, but stood as stark, opposing contrasts that ever warred within and vied for control of his Soul. Sound dramatic, and intense? Well, it was for him.

One of the latter selve's memories/energetics that went into make up his Soul was a Saturnian.

Tis NOT that complicated.

posted October 06, 2019 02:47 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ami Anne:
In very simple terms, Saturn is the principle of discipline. It is the principle of slowly going after something you want and not giving up. In the chart, all energies of life are represented.

---

I'm just going to repaste my earlier reply to Graham:

Yes, that's the fairly standard view, and it does apply to the universal, archetypal side of Saturn as it applies to everyone.

However, what I'm talking about is different. I'm talking about those individuals who are particularly and predominately attuned to Saturn and what it means on a deeper level.

But to be sure, the universal, archetypal Saturn is the lesson giver/hard teacher that is very much necessary.

We spiritually grow most through friction, testing, challenge, and difficulty. We also grow when we redress difficult/heavy karma. But again, this is the universal, archetypal side of Saturn that applies to all. That is the positive and very necessary side of Saturn.

posted October 06, 2019 03:01 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ami Anne:
To add, every planet has a dark side, such as one can be obsessed and work too hard to get ones goals and that would be a Saturn used in a harmful way.

---

Some darker than others, and that's the point.

Planets as symbols, are much like color vibration. These are not neutral in meaning. They are either slower or faster vibratory.

The slower the vibration, the more attuned to destructive, separative selfishness does the vibratory pattern become. The faster the vibration, the more attuned to pure Love it becomes. We are objectively, as a larger and greater truth, trying to move towards that pure Love. As a Christian, wouldn't you agree?

In both the Cayce readings, and in my own experience and repeat experience, PART of what Saturn represents and corresponds to what we could call the "lower self", the selfish separative ego, the attractive/tempting pull of the "dark side" that is so prevalent in this world and yet so absent in higher realms.

Those whom are Saturnians i.e. Saturn is the strongest planet in their chart, often, but not always, personify those lacking in Light tendencies. For some, it's a lesser degree, and for some, it's a greater degree. (Depends on the rest of the chart and how they use their freewill).

The good news is that 1. we have freewill and can change any internal personality/character pattern outlined in our chart.

2. We cannot only judge it based on one pattern indication. A simultaneously powerful, highlighted Sun, Jupiter, Neptune, and/or Venus can help to offset or counter balance such Saturnian indications and patterns.

Ime, astrologers on a whole do not emphasize free will enough. Thankfully, Cayce's guidance did, and did so time and time again and said that Will was the ruling influence above and beyond all, potentially, if we would but use it.

posted October 06, 2019 03:11 PM            

I get original post is making a distinction between saturn and capricorn but am skeptical of this perspective of Saturn. In my experience saturn transits trigger depression and when we get depressed we feel numb, empty and a void which may bring out our "selfish" side and a case of the "**** its" as we try to fill that void in a misguided way bc we feel sad and lost. It's hard to be at your best when you feel numb.

Saturn transits feel to me like something you have to let pass and endure and practice patience and self compassion to get through it. I feel Uranus and pluto transits are more insightful and lead to internal transformation and positive changes.

There could be truth to the observation that Capricorn and Saturn manifests differently but our views may be different on how this difference manifests.