posted November 03, 2019 01:42 PM              

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I personally don't care if it's considered immature or not. Sometimes it's necessary. I'm fine with being immature sometimes then.

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My problem with it is there is no concrete difference between ghosting and retreating after a shock, needing some space, being legit overwhelmed with work, having had an accident and being in the hospital life hanging by a thread....
The one time I have been ghosted hurt me very much and it wasn't the fact my Uni best friend just blinked me out of her existence from one day to the other, that was rough but I could understand why and it was fairly rapidly processed; no, what damaged me was the months I spent regularly but not too often checking up on her, with brief texts, care packages, dropping CDs she loved in her locker on my way to classes she had stopped showing up to... all this time worrying about her, because I knew what she was going through and how helpless I was to help, just to find out 11 months later that she had basically ghosted everyone in her life that wasn't direct family, in order to start fresh (which in itself is rough, but again, can understand, certainly have to accept).

I don't think her behaviour was immature in any way, but it was selfish (also ok) and radically careless (less ok). I mean her point was to have a life makeover, I'm not asking she had a party funeral but a good-bye would have been a gesture, or a finger, also a gesture

I eventually forgave her and moved on (but I did feel bitter and stupid and pathetic, thinking of all those sweet gestures I had had for someone who didn't even care enough to drop a plain "won't reply anymore" text (or change her number! lol I've always wondered why she hadn't stretched to that, everything else was so radical, I did wonder at some point if she didn't sadistically enjoy seeing all the messages, not just mine, of those worried people lol), our other friend (we were a fun happy little trio of friends then) really took it very bad and slashed her tire on her following birthday.

It's not the ghosting in itself, it's the repercussions, it's rude and rude to a stranger or an ******* or anyone whom you have grounds to communicate that way with flies by, rude to a caring friend in a state of worry is very hurtful, and mostly counterproductive, the second I understood what she had done, I stopped seeking contact, I would have done that much sooner had she dropped a simple "don't contact me again" message.

Still, I'll completely hear if you disagree, paradoxically I think they are lots of good points in favour of ghosting, I just didn't want you to think I thought of you as immature for doing it, it's not really about that to me and I don't think it's cook book either. Context, when ghosting, seems to be everything

posted November 03, 2019 04:12 PM            

One girl I dated. It didn't really work out. I wasn't into her like I thought that I would be. Let her down very gently and she took it very well. We'd meet up every now and then for lunch. She started seeing another guy. She didn't tell me. I'm not sure why. I would have easily understood not wanting to meet up out of respect, but she didn't tell me that. So a few times she made plans and then would back out, again, without really saying anything. I'm waiting for word back but nothing. A few times of that and learning why. I was done. Friend or not I expect honesty.

A guy I hung out with in high school. We would hang out at his place sometimes until early in the morning. If I didn't call for a couple days he'd get really upset and needy. I'm like, "am I your girlfriend or what?" So I just quit calling or going over there.

One girl got mad at me when I didn't want to date her. She accused me of leading her on which I didn't believe that I did. Actually twice that I remember. I don't need that mess.

I've been ghosted for no reason that I ever knew of and it sucks but, eh. I'm at a point in life that it's like you're good for me or not or fit in in some way or don't. I'm less compromising and less willing to invest much if I'm not getting much out.

posted November 03, 2019 08:37 PM            

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My problem with it is there is no concrete difference between ghosting and retreating after a shock, needing some space, being legit overwhelmed with work, having had an accident and being in the hospital life hanging by a thread....

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posted November 03, 2019 09:25 PM              

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
One girl Taurus Sun, Aries moon ghosted, maybe, even much when she was yonger. I wouldn't expect this behavior from these placements. One time somebody blocked her, and she kind of understood how her blocking affected other people. So I think she is more careful with it nowadays.
I think if you completely don't care about the other people feeling and ghost a lot, Karma will get you.
I might did something like that in the past couple times if people didn't actually try to reach. But I never blocked completely.
As Libra, I cannot understand if a person really tries to reach why you cannot figure out some goofy explanation/ excuse for him at least. ("And Justice for all "♎️ )
Damn, Scorpios.. Some of them. Their favorite "But Sonebody hurtled me before.." - bad excuse!

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If you read my earlier reply, you'll note that the person I mentioned has a combo of very strong/highlighted Aries and Taurus. I try to avoid the whole Sign generalization thing because I'm a lot more focused on the whole chart and when it comes to one predominant factor--the strongest/most highlighted Planet (in her case, Uranus, followed by Mercury).

With that said, and speaking not of people but of archetypes only, Aries and Taurus are the most self centered/self focused Signs of the Zodiac. If the Planetary and whole chart patterns back up a trend/pattern, then a person with very strong Aries and Taurus combo, can be pretty self centered and focused, and that can lead to hurtful and inconsiderate things like ghosting.

In my friend's case, she has soft narcissistic like traits/tendencies. Soft because she has a heart and does have empathy and conscience, but can be very self centered/focused. She just doesn't see herself and how her actions/behaviors affect people at times. This is not my perception alone. Two mutual female acquaintances that knew her far longer than I, talked similarly about her, and one mentioned an incident that happened in a group setting where she made a lot of people uncomfortable by her actions, but persisted because she was "expressing herself".

Some of it is due to trauma. She has an older Soul within her personality. I feel she will eventually heal herself more and more. My partner actually had a dream about it. A night or two after both of us meeting her, my partner had a dream about a mottled brown and black caterpillar that was constantly shedding it's skin and in a very raw and painful state, and did that for awhile before finally going into a cocoon state. When it emerged, my partner was surprised to see not a butterfly, but a white, hairy moth. Interesting and powerful symbolism there. Indicates a combination of purity and near perfect balance between the Yin and Yang. I just knew intuitively that it was about her.

P.S. karma is not really a punishment system or anything like that. All it really is is that at our core, within our original, true, Source like nature and remembrance, is a part of us that when we hurt others, this Source/Love part feels the necessity to redress these hurts to others by experiencing similar.

These urges often get sparked in what some refer to as our "Life reviews" before the Council of Elders that run same. Basically, after our human life, if we don't get stuck (most don't), before we phase to the dimension/consciousness level we most strongly vibrate in attunement with on an inner, fundamental way, we, along with our helpers/guides, our Spirit, come before a group of Source/pure Love attuned Beings that help us review our just lived human life.

They help us to objectively and clearly see the parts of our life where our Soul grew and where it retrogressed or needs improvement. When we interact with others in a positive, love based way without thought of material reward, they show us how positive that is and how the Creative Forces rejoice with us, but when we choose to use our freewill in limited, negative, and/or hurtful ways (especially in relation to others), they help us to see and actually experience the harm we cause to others and indeed to the Whole.

Most of us come out of these Life review "meetings" with a desire to rectify and redress those errors and lacks in relation to others, and so, at some point our larger Spirit self will either create a new Soul with dynamics/patterns of us within it, or agree to us having a new life at some point, where similar experiences as meted out to others, become meted out to us.

It's not about punishment, but about Soul growth back to the realization of our true, Source like nature and being. Nor is it an automatic system. Souls and Spirits with the help of Elders and other helpers choose the times and degrees of when they balance out/redress these difficult energies.

The typical pattern is that when the Spirit is still gaining maturity, it and it's connected Souls don't do a lot of the "reaping" part of the karmic process, but as maturity, awareness, and remembrance builds and opens up, and the Spirit and connected Souls get serious about their growth process, they start to take on more and more of these heavier energies, often interspersed with some "light" and more easy lifetimes to help maintain a balance.

As relates to astrology, the Yin Planets and Signs generally relate more to the heavier and more reaping patterns, and the Yang Signs and Planets more to the sowing, lighter, and/or easier patterns. Exception being Saturn which is a more Yang polarized Planet.

Ime karma is far more real than gravity, for gravity is a law that pertains only to this one little dimensional slice of reality, and yet karma i.e. Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like, pertains to all levels/dimensions.

posted November 03, 2019 11:28 PM            

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I think if you completely don't care about the other people feeling and ghost a lot, Karma will get you.
I might did something like that in the past couple times if people didn't actually try to reach. But I

If you read my earlier reply, you'll note that the person I mentioned has a combo of very strong/highlighted Aries and Taurus. I try to avoid the whole Sign generalization thing because I'm a lot more focused on the whole chart and when it comes to one predominant factor--the strongest/most highlighted Planet (in her case, Uranus, followed by Mercury).

With that said, and speaking not of people but of archetypes only, Aries and Taurus are the most self centered/self focused Signs of the Zodiac. If the Planetary and whole chart patterns back up a trend/pattern, then a person with very strong Aries and Taurus combo, can be pretty self centered and focused, and that can lead to hurtful and inconsiderate things like ghosting.

In my friend's case, she has soft narcissistic like traits/tendencies. Soft because she has a heart and does have empathy and conscience, but can be very self centered/focused. She just doesn't see herself and how her actions/behaviors affect people at times. This is not my perception alone. Two mutual female acquaintances that knew her far longer than I, talked similarly about her, and one mentioned an incident that happened in a group setting where she made a lot of people uncomfortable by her actions, but persisted because she was "expressing herself".

Some of it is due to trauma. She has an older Soul within her personality. I feel she will eventually heal herself more and more. My partner actually had a dream about it. A night or two after both of us meeting her, my partner had a dream about a mottled brown and black caterpillar that was constantly shedding it's skin and in a very raw and painful state, and did that for awhile before finally going into a cocoon state. When it emerged, my partner was surprised to see not a butterfly, but a white, hairy moth. Interesting and powerful symbolism there. Indicates a combination of purity and near perfect balance between the Yin and Yang. I just knew intuitively that it was about her.

P.S. karma is not really a punishment system or anything like that. All it really is is that at our core, within our original, true, Source like nature and remembrance, is a part of us that when we hurt others, this Source/Love part feels the necessity to redress these hurts to others by experiencing similar.

These urges often get sparked in what some refer to as our "Life reviews" before the Council of Elders that run same. Basically, after our human life, if we don't get stuck (most don't), before we phase to the dimension/consciousness level we most strongly vibrate in attunement with on an inner, fundamental way, we, along with our helpers/guides, our Spirit, come before a group of Source/pure Love attuned Beings that help us review our just lived human life.

They help us to objectively and clearly see the parts of our life where our Soul grew and where it retrogressed or needs improvement. When we interact with others in a positive, love based way without thought of material reward, they show us how positive that is and how the Creative Forces rejoice with us, but when we choose to use our freewill in limited, negative, and/or hurtful ways (especially in relation to others), they help us to see and actually experience the harm we cause to others and indeed to the Whole.

Most of us come out of these Life review "meetings" with a desire to rectify and redress those errors and lacks in relation to others, and so, at some point our larger Spirit self will either create a new Soul with dynamics/patterns of us within it, or agree to us having a new life at some point, where similar experiences as meted out to others, become meted out to us.

It's not about punishment, but about Soul growth back to the realization of our true, Source like nature and being. Nor is it an automatic system. Souls and Spirits with the help of Elders and other helpers choose the times and degrees of when they balance out/redress these difficult energies.

The typical pattern is that when the Spirit is still gaining maturity, it and it's connected Souls don't do a lot of the "reaping" part of the karmic process, but as maturity, awareness, and remembrance builds and opens up, and the Spirit and connected Souls get serious about their growth process, they start to take on more and more of these heavier energies, often interspersed with some "light" and more easy lifetimes to help maintain a balance.

As relates to astrology, the Yin Planets and Signs generally relate more to the heavier and more reaping patterns, and the Yang Signs and Planets more to the sowing, lighter, and/or easier patterns. Exception being Saturn which is a more Yang polarized Planet.

Ime karma is far more real than gravity, for gravity is a law that pertains only to this one little dimensional slice of reality, and yet karma i.e. Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like, pertains to all levels/dimensions.

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You call it not punishment, but growth and awareness
. But if it’s painful and happens after wrong doing - it fits definition of punishment)
Also, it’s hard not to think about punishment or hope Karma would get back to someone who hurt you and treating you so wrong. I think it’s already taking high road and being a bigger person when you don’t wanna do it yourself and leave it to karma)

posted November 04, 2019 11:11 AM              

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Indeed, I forgot you mentioned it. I attract much Aries and Taurus. But I think Aquarius/ Aries might was even worse, not ghosting, but being really self-centered. Maybe, her Pluto sq Sun.
My Taurus\Aries friend used to have nice personality. She is getting worse. She might not ghost much now, but communication with her becomes more difficult. Often she gets so mad and edgy when you express a different opinion from her. So only way to hang up before you get to the point of feeling like you’re swimming in toilet. I think in opposite of your friend, mine can see herself that’s why she puts the nice face after these outbursts.
She doesn’t have much people stayed around, but can’t learn any lessons.
Even Aries with Scorpio Rising is not that bad, surprisingly. Men Aries are easier than women , generally.

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Yeah, Pluto can indicate/outline a strong self centeredness. There is an interesting EC reading which talks about the over self centeredness of Saturn, Mercury, Mars, and Pluto. I have Sun square Pluto, and at one point I was definitely over self centered/focused, but I have gone through some major and deep transformations (that were very painful) for the positive. Sun is a more conscious symbol, and so there is a greater hope for positive self change as compared to Pluto mixed with another more unconscious symbol.

I have a cousin with Aries Sun, Aquarius Rising, and Cancer Moon (I'm not sure what her strongest Planet is, but she has Venus in the 1st). She was always on the self centered and very self sensitive side, but when younger could be giving, empathic, and considerate. Her selfishness started getting real bad when she started drinking more and more (now she is outright narcissistic. My sense is that she is being influenced by negative nonphysicals). She has had a hard life in some respects, but she chooses to keep a victim mentality. Her mother who died some years back, visited me in a dream and wanted me to warn her about a probable future fire that may kill her, but I almost feel like her larger Spirit self wants to take her out of this life before she accrues too much more negative karma. On a Soul level, she is a middle aged Soul who is trying to become an older Soul, but is getting more and more off track.

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You call it not punishment, but growth and awareness
. But if it’s painful and happens after wrong doing - it fits definition of punishment)
Also, it’s hard not to think about punishment or hope Karma would get back to someone who hurt you and treating you so wrong. I think it’s already taking high road and being a bigger person when you don’t wanna do it yourself and leave it to karma)

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I understand what you're saying. Maybe a clarification might help? Usually when we think of punishment, we think of some kind of outside authority that metes out same. In the earthly plane we have courts, laws, police, etc that are the seeming outside authority that metes out punishment for wrongdoing.

With karma it's all an internal process. Despite what some religious oriented folks think, it is neither God, nor some automatic force, nor any outside authority that metes out karmic balancing. Souls and especially their Spirit levels, choose to redress these errors and interactions. I guess we could call it "self punishment" in a sense, but I just don't find that a helpful and fully accurate way of looking at it. It's more like making a mess, and cleaning it up yourself because you're the one who made it. It's just self responsibility mixed with empathy.

Yes, the beginning of wisdom is to leave re-balancing to the karmic process and not try to take it into our own hands. This (and not grudge holding) is often hard for folks with strong Scorpio and/or Pluto to do, so job well done there--it shows definite Soul maturity on your part.

posted November 04, 2019 02:15 PM              

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ Pluto also symbolizes penetrating awareness though mind, perhaps a plutonian is aware that focusing on anything else other than themselves is useless as you cannot change anything else other than your own self???

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Is that completely and fully true? If we live in a reality of complete interconnection and Oneness, even if we are completely consciously oblivious to it or only a smidgen aware of it in a conscious sense, then the truth is that we can and do influence each other in many different ways.

Ultimately a person allows that to happen, but rarely is a conscious choice of, "today, I think I shall let myself be influenced by this or that person." Much of the process is rather unconscious.

As mentioned on another thread, I partake in a service work during the sleep state that some call retrievals. It's all about communicating with Souls that get stuck after their bodies die. They can get stuck for various different reasons--the most common being very strong but limiting/false beliefs they had while human, or dying suddenly and/or in trauma.

But they are in a sense, "unconsciously self trapped" and often are suffering a lot. Because of that,earthly focused helpers conspire with nonphysically focused helpers to go in, get their attention, and help them change their limiting beliefs to more true, accurate, and helpful ones, which then changes their perception and they can start the process of freeing themselves. This can be as easy and simple as, "hey dude/et, um, your body actually died awhile back" to a lot more subtle and involved.

But without the outer catalyst of helpers, these Souls can stay stuck in these very limiting, looping, and suffering patterns for very long periods of time as viewed from earth.

The more spiritually mature Plutonian chooses to attune to Love, and learns how to influence in ways that respect the freewill process of others. The best way of that is through positive interaction and being a positive example, but occasionally other focuses also become helpful, depending on the situation.

It's a delicate balance to maintain between nudging and respecting freewill, and not forcing/controlling. It's not an easy balance to maintain, but it can be, and is worth the try IF one is called to same. Such calling is usually pretty hard to mistake, and often times comes rather holistically (take a shot). Most of us at some point take on the role of either student, teacher, or neutral observer. It takes wisdom, self awareness, and discernment to know what is best for what situation/interaction or moment.

That's where the fires of Pluto come in handy. Pluto, like Saturn, are part of a process of burning out the dross that hinders us from that conscious attunement and wisdom. I've had a lot of burning in my life.

posted November 04, 2019 02:39 PM            

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I think ghosting is absolutely relevant to any relationship, not just romantic.

The ghost in my case is - or maybe was, idk - a close friend in many ways. We were in frequent daily contact 5 days out of every 7, then suddenly he went quiet. I emailed him at work to say happy birthday and he got in touch the next day to say thanks for the birthday message... And that was it. Gone again.

I just want to know what's going on.

Transiting Uranus will be opposite his sun/Merc/Saturn soon so it may be an early touchpoint of that.

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Could this guy have met someone, and now he spends his time talking to her? I would ask him why he's gone so quiet, and leave it at that. Don't send him anything else.

A friend of mine disappeared at the end of 2017, and as far as I know, no mutual friends have heard from her. I finally just asked one friend, and she said she had received no response, the last time she wrote. So, I hope this friend is okay, and taking care of herself. She was a good friend to me for years, and had been through a lot in her personal life. We weren't in constant contact, she would appear and disappear at times. I have no problem with that. People looking after themselves, is different from someone leading you on and then disappearing.

posted November 04, 2019 05:33 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I think it’s more likely for fire or air signs to ghost people.

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posted November 04, 2019 06:07 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ Pluto also symbolizes penetrating awareness though mind, perhaps a plutonian is aware that focusing on anything else other than themselves is useless as you cannot change anything else other than your own self???

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posted November 04, 2019 09:49 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:

Yes, the beginning of wisdom is to leave re-balancing to the karmic process and not try to take it into our own hands. This (and not grudge holding) is often hard for folks with strong Scorpio and/or Pluto to do, so job well done there--it shows definite Soul maturity on your part.

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Ouch, I felt that as a fellow Plutonian. It's so true though...tough to stay above and out of it for one's own sake. (And often for the sake of the group too!)

Otherwise, I wanted to make clear that the Aquarians only applied to the people in my life. No idea if it's a common thing or not! I don't even know those people's moon or rising signs.

posted November 05, 2019 12:25 AM            

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Is that completely and fully true? If we live in a reality of complete interconnection and Oneness, even if we are completely consciously oblivious to it or only a smidgen aware of it in a conscious sense, then the truth is that we can and do influence each other in many different ways.

Ultimately a person allows that to happen, but rarely is a conscious choice of, "today, I think I shall let myself be influenced by this or that person." Much of the process is rather unconscious.

As mentioned on another thread, I partake in a service work during the sleep state that some call retrievals. It's all about communicating with Souls that get stuck after their bodies die. They can get stuck for various different reasons--the most common being very strong but limiting/false beliefs they had while human, or dying suddenly and/or in trauma.

But they are in a sense, "unconsciously self trapped" and often are suffering a lot. Because of that,earthly focused helpers conspire with nonphysically focused helpers to go in, get their attention, and help them change their limiting beliefs to more true, accurate, and helpful ones, which then changes their perception and they can start the process of freeing themselves. This can be as easy and simple as, "hey dude/et, um, your body actually died awhile back" to a lot more subtle and involved.

But without the outer catalyst of helpers, these Souls can stay stuck in these very limiting, looping, and suffering patterns for very long periods of time as viewed from earth.

The more spiritually mature Plutonian chooses to attune to Love, and learns how to influence in ways that respect the freewill process of others. The best way of that is through positive interaction and being a positive example, but occasionally other focuses also become helpful, depending on the situation.

It's a delicate balance to maintain between nudging and respecting freewill, and not forcing/controlling. It's not an easy balance to maintain, but it can be, and is worth the try IF one is called to same. Such calling is usually pretty hard to mistake, and often times comes rather holistically (take a shot). Most of us at some point take on the role of either student, teacher, or neutral observer. It takes wisdom, self awareness, and discernment to know what is best for what situation/interaction or moment.

That's where the fires of Pluto come in handy. Pluto, like Saturn, are part of a process of burning out the dross that hinders us from that conscious attunement and wisdom. I've had a lot of burning in my life.

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posted November 05, 2019 01:05 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Yeah, Pluto can indicate/outline a strong self centeredness. There is an interesting EC reading which talks about the over self centeredness of Saturn, Mercury, Mars, and Pluto. I have Sun square Pluto, and at one point I was definitely over self centered/focused, but I have gone through some major and deep transformations (that were very painful) for the positive. Sun is a more conscious symbol, and so there is a greater hope for positive self change as compared to Pluto mixed with another more unconscious symbol.

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
I have a cousin with Aries Sun, Aquarius Rising, and Cancer Moon (I'm not sure what her strongest Planet is, but she has Venus in the 1st). She was always on the self centered and very self sensitive side, but when younger could be giving, empathic, and considerate. Her selfishness started getting real bad when she started drinking more and more (now she is outright narcissistic. My sense is that she is being influenced by negative nonphysicals).
. She has had a hard life in some respects, but she chooses to keep a victim mentality. Her mother who died some years back, visited me in a dream and wanted me to warn her about a probable future fire that may kill her, but I almost feel like her larger Spirit self wants to take her out of this life before she accrues too much more negative karma. On a Soul level, she is a middle aged Soul who is trying to become an older Soul, but is getting more and more off track.

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Usually when we think of punishment, we think of some kind of outside authority that metes out same. In the earthly plane we have courts, laws, police, etc that are the seeming outside authority that metes out punishment for wrongdoing.

With karma it's all an internal process. Despite what some religious oriented folks think, it is neither God, nor some automatic force, nor any outside authority that metes out karmic balancing. Souls and especially their Spirit levels, choose to redress these errors and interactions. I guess we could call it "self punishment" in a sense, but I just don't find that a helpful and fully accurate way of looking at it. It's more like making a mess, and cleaning it up yourself because you're the one who made it. It's just self responsibility mixed with empathy.

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Yes, the beginning of wisdom is to leave re-balancing to the karmic process and not try to take it into our own hands. This (and not grudge holding) is often hard for folks with strong Scorpio and/or Pluto to do, so job well done there--it shows definite Soul maturity on your part.

Have you ever looked at Parans, and particularly in relation to Arcturus? Wonder if the latter is highlighted in your chart?

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posted November 05, 2019 01:42 PM              

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Isn't every doing coming from the "ego" though ? If Plutonian "learns" wouldn't it still be ego-based ? If you've transcended pluto how come you fear the plutocrats Galactic ? If you've transcended death, and attained "soul" how come you are worried about the "war" ? Not that I doubt that you have, you might have, but whats the fear of war ??? Ones you have trascended things, aren't Saturn, Pluto Neptune all the same ? Wouldn't you be able to understand the cycle they are going through just like you did ? Where's this whole condemnation of the plutocrats coming from ? They are playing the game, just like you did ???

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It's not a war that I'm afraid of, even though I know ahead of time that my body will likely die in this war.* It's the possibility or potential for these getting their way and fully enacting their plans, and this becoming a lost world/cause, which is what bothers me. I was given a clear glimpse of this possibility one time and it shook me to my core.

During a night of hanging out with Bruce Moen and his partner at his place, some shadow oriented topics and issues came up. Part of me wanted to go deeper into some of our experiences and guidance with negative human, nonphysical, and ET influences and sources, but I knew that Bruce wasn't interested in hearing about it, so I didn't go deeply into it.

But when I got back home, I kept thinking about it and wondering if I should talk more about it. I did what any pragmatic, spiritually inclined person would do. I decided to meditate about it and ask guidance if it was helpful or not to go more deeply into these experiences and guidance messages with him.

As it was nighttime and late, I ended up falling asleep during the meditation (I usually meditate laying down) before I received any answers. But I still got an answer, in the former of a hyper realistic, lucid like dream where at first I thought I was in the physical level, body awake and all that. Soon after that thought, I heard/felt a voice/knowing tell me, "No, this is a possible future if humanity continues to let itself be influenced by a negative ET group."

Walking around in and viewing this possible Earth future was extremely difficult and upsetting. There was tremendous collective suffering. If you took the Dark Ages and put them on a cocktail of meth, crack, heroin, and roids, then you would get an idea of what it was like. It both broke my heart and made me very, very angry at the same time. The last scene from the dream was me coming to the forest's edge at dusk, and seeing one of their ships hovering in the sky and observing myself scream at them with every fiber and essence of my being, "I will do everything in my power, go to any lengths to prevent this future from occurring". I woke up shaken to my core (and I"m not one who gets ruffled easily).

The good news is that this was only a possible future. The probable future, which I've been shown much more of, is temporarily very difficult and challenging, but leads to a golden age of collective spiritual attunement. Anyways, I took the above dream as a very big "YES" to my question of whether or not I should go more in depth about hindering influences with Bruce Moen. I did, but it largely fell on deaf ears, and I heard no response back.

(After wondering about that some, I then had another dream where we were together, and sharing spiritual Love with each other, and it was quite nice and uplifting, but in the middle of it, he fell asleep. Guidance was telling me that he was unconscious to these matters and didn't want to be conscious to them. But hey, one can try).

I do not fear the plutocrats, I do not fear the war, or the like. I am however, a bit worried about this possible future manifesting. And I will go to any lengths to prevent same.

* My partner has had multiple dreams over the last 7 years or so of me dying young'ish. One dream which took place after the collapse and after we had a few children (and living in a community in the woods and things were pretty nice and peaceful), pin pointed that I had died in my mid 40's. (I'm almost 40). We are extremely close, and if I die, it would be very tough on her. Since this is part of the probable future, her guidance/Expanded self is trying to emotionally prepare her ahead of time.

After like the 3rd or 4th dream of hers with the same theme, I decided to pull out her Tarot deck, and made an intention of picking one card to answer the question, "Is it part of the probable future that my body is likely to die in my mid 40's" Out of all the cards, what one did I pick? Yep, the Death card of all cards. Personally I'm not too worried one way or another, I wouldn't mind a nonphysical vacation though I also don't want to leave her and our children behind.

But she also had some dreams which indicated that this doesn't necessarily have to be my future. So I wondered off and on about this, and finally had a dream of my own which answered it pretty clearly.

It was during the collapse or right after and there was a war going on between two sides. The side I was part of was made up of positive, service to other types. People that wanted to see this world and humanity change for the better and to heal. The other side, well let's just say they were very anti that, and very control oriented, and they were the aggressors and trying to enslave us and/or wipe us out.

At one point during a particular battle/skirmish, I saw my body get basically cut in half (didn't see the exact method/means but suspect something like machine gun). When I detached from the body, I looked around a bit observing the scenes, and then shot up into a "place", or rather state of pure White Light. From this state, I was still observing the material scenes and as I was doing so, I made the decision to go back to the body, heal it, and resume being a human. I did that, and all my friends who had seen my body violently cut down, could not believe it. I knew I was different in some fundamental ways after I came back.

Either way, whether a nonphysical vacation, or an upgraded Ferrari thought form created body, it's all good with me.

posted November 05, 2019 10:37 PM            

I think a man doesn't die unless he wants to tho, somewhere deep down.

posted November 05, 2019 10:49 PM              

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I think it eventually happens with the majority of self centered people if they want to get ahead. When we need transformation life sends us something what pushes us toward it. I wish it wouldn’t that painful. Maybe, being Plutonian makes sometimes even small transformation and changes pretty not easy for me.

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In some ways, they will tend to be more intense when triggered by transits and progressions, but at the same time, Plutonians can come to deal better with these over time compared to others when they go through it, just because they are more used to the whole tear down/build back up pattern/cycle.

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I could see how it might happen with all sensitivity and emotions of Cancer moon turned inward and conflicted with selfishness and stubbornness of Aries. That’s sad. Warning about future fire what might kill you could scary me more than the fire itself.. I don’t think much people would want to know the circumstances of their disappearance long before the fact..

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Yeah, I don't think it helps that she has Mars closely cusping Aries and closely conjunct Mercury.

Good point about the scary factor. Yeah, I woke up from the dream with a "what am I suppose to do with this?" kind of feeling and thought.

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I understand. “You’re your own worst enemy”. But I can’t really accept it because I see people often find explanations and excuses to make their wrong-doing looks like it’s ok in their own eyes. Conscious doesn’t work the same for everybody..

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True, and that's because we're all at different stages in our growth back to pure Love and conscious Source attunement. The closer you get to the latter, the more objective and clear you tend to be about both others and self.

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I’m not familiar with Parans. What effect would it have? Make me less centered and more empath?
Probably, much Libra and Virgo in my chart make detachment and overthinking is the bigger theme in my life than being Plutonic/ Scorpio) I think I’m moving toward direction to acknowledge my Pluto power more in the future.

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Arcturus is a major star located at about 24/25 degrees in Libra in the Tropical Zodiac. Cayce's guidance talked quite a bit about it and called it the main doorway into greater systems. Basically when a Spirit and/or a Soul reaches a certain degree of conscious attunement to Love in this little system, they become aware of the potential choice to go into greater, more expanded, and faster vibratory systems, first stopping at Arcturus as a preparation for that.

Arcturus represents a very fast vibratory and very Love attuned level of consciousness.

Problem with Stars is though, we can't use regular aspects with them since most of them aren't on the ecliptic. We have to calculate more 3D type aspects, and that's what Parans are. Brady is kind of known as the guru of Stellar and Paran alignments.

When someone comes in with Arcturus as a highlighted pattern in their chart, it is usually indicating a rather old/mature and wise Soul. They may possibly be coming in direct from a different and more expanded system. Basically they are ET Souls. Some however, just have some Arcturus dynamic highlighted in their present psyche as a more blended mix, and aren't necessarily coming in direct from a different system.

Arcturus is like a more powerful and faster vibratory version of our own Sun. It's an Elder sibling to our Sun. But Arcturian attunement, even when strongly so, doesn't necessarily mean a Soul is close to spiritual perfection aka fully conscious Source realization, but at the same time it's "relatively close".

Cayce's guidance talks about a Soul that was part of Cayce's Spirit/collective self, who came in with Arcturus predominant in his consciousness, and who was named Uhjltd who lived in Persia roughly around 8, 000 B.C. Cayce's guidance spoke unusually highly of him and his life for the most part, and said that at his height of development, when people heard him speak, they felt as if they were listening to a spiritual Master speak, for he was quite intune, psychic, and wise.

He was the father to one Zend/San, who was a lifetime/Soul of the (Co-Creator) Christ Spirit who later projected the Soul we call Yeshua (well most called "Jesus") and his guidance said that Uhjltd was an excellent teacher to and for Zend. People that knew Edgar, some of them wrote that they got a sense that out of all the lifetimes spoken by his guidance, it was this life he was the most proud/happy about.

posted November 06, 2019 02:31 AM            

With my family it's different. I never tell them details about my life and future plans, but even if I do, I always make sure to ask them to keep that a secret.

I have sun in taurus exactly opposite pluto in scorpio, and aquarius saturn right on DC.

I also ghost people who are loud, obnoxious and share details of their life with almost anybody. I also ghost gossipers and negative/jealous/toxic people.

signs I am least likely to ghost are Aries (suns and moons), leo (moons), scorpio (suns)