posted November 14, 2019 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I am very restrained on here lol. I try to avoid drama or be all up in my feelings .lol.

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Which is exactly what someone who likes to argue would never do xo

posted November 14, 2019 04:35 PM            

Emotions are essentially farts. Everyone has them, most people will try to hide them unless they're close to the person; and no one ever wishes to, or should, be defined by them.

I like to toy with radical concepts or extreme sarcasm sometimes and I need to have bantering partners who can take that and not react in an emotional manner to my emotions, because sometimes you need a game of squash, not tennis. It's important to have these communication outlets for your emotions, just like sometimes it's important to act your thoughts and not be trapped in intellectualising them. It's always balance.

I agree the tortured artist cliche is a bit much and yes, it is very different from being lost in your daydreaming. I think sketching and such can be amazing ways to focus so they're not exactly getting lost, quite the opposite. I also think the need to channel emotions into something, whether art of physical activity doesn't have to mean the emotions are otherwise toxic or too much or problematic. I need my physical activity, but sometimes I'm tired and emotionally drained and I still go to dance class, still swim etc... and it fuels me, fills me with emotions, it's not always a release; so those are not dumpsters to me, they're real physical passions that have room for my emotions, whatever they are.
Walking is absolutely amazing, I love it. I have left flats to go walk out at night as well. Once in particular, after an aunt had died, half the family was crammed in that tiny flat and it was way too tense for me. I left around 3 am, walked til 6, brought breakfast for everyone from the nearby bakery; to this day I'm referred to as the post funeral hero when really, I had to save my life as the ambient sadness was tearing me apart.

posted November 14, 2019 04:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Truth. There are positives in every so-called challenging or negative aspect. Pretty much all Moon-Mars aspects bring passion, resilience, initiative.

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posted November 14, 2019 05:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
My thinking is that there is probably that Moon in Ariez passion that others(7th) coax out of you.

Its not unusual for Aries Dsc to attract hostility in others because of an either "underwhelming" or overwhelming display of feelings.

I wonder if Neptune/Saturn aspects Mars?(I don't recall your chart well). If that is the case, it may indeed take much much longer for the top to blow.

I know that Saturn on the Ic or Cap there can echoe a Moon in Cap response to emotional flux i.e impassivity. As with Lib Asc, one can often seem so non-reactive or not very "deep" emotionally (Britney Spears has Ic in Cap) that its interpreted as "I don't care".

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yeah i can be passionate in a close relationship and someone close to me can eventually push my buttons etc but it can take years (someone not close to me can get me to argue with them but im not going to care about it and even that is hard, have to be in the right mood and occasionally boredom does it)

the hostility generally seems to start once things are close though like i said

i've had people start off one way, confess feelings and then start getting really possessive and picking fights and whatnot almost immediately after

women in particular not really when it's been guys or that's been more rare at least

they blame me for it but im not 100% on what i do really though it could be a matter of not reacting enough i guess

my ex who yelled at me for being too calm used to try to make me jealous sometimes but it never worked because i always just felt like "no **** other people like you why wouldnt they if i do?"

my mars is loosely conjunct neptune, and i imagine my moon-uranus-mercury trine probably helps too (kite technically with venus)

cap ic yeah, and people definitely do see me as nonreactive and apathetic, admittedly im frequently both when it comes to a lot of things

i generally dont see most **** as worth caring about or getting worked up over because feelings pass anyway and **** doesnt have to always be particularly serious

it's a little annoying i guess, idk i dont really care that much one way or another tbh

maybe if it wasnt normal for me i'd care more i guess

posted November 15, 2019 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
I have all of these - Mars square Moon, Moon (conjunct sun) in 1st, Pluto in 4th, Pluto square Moon (at wide degree 9 orb). So I really struggle with impulse reaction and to explore feelings/ hide feelings but most of the time impulse wins or the emotions show on my body & face (sun conjunct moon).

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Absolutely MMarie, its the Moon in 1st for sure. This is where the inability to hold back feelings stems from.

This unless the Moon is in Cap/Sco then there is more a "poker" face response to things.

I actually think that Pluto in 4th is deeply challenging. I have the wide square of Pluto as well as Mars to Ic.

I see as an inner itch that is never completely satisfied. When projected outside, the native can find plenty in the world that make the world "dangerous", "inhabitable" or "spoiled".

The need to "cleanse" it rigorously as one would a house, is an overwhelming need. But the problem is that its never really the house that is intrinsically "dirty"(metaphorically speaking) from an absolute perspective, it is the subjective perception that the individual has.

I actually see Pluto/Mars as energies of patriotism or the pride of one's culture/race or country,quickly spilling over to racism, xenophobia, religious wars,race supremacist views and elitism.

posted November 15, 2019 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
@Aries23

I have Moon opposite Mars and Moon square Ascendant. On top of being an Aries. So I can relate to ya.

I sincerely hate drama. I hate arguments. I do enjoy stimulating discussions though and I am not afraid to maturely debate something I'm passionate about. There is a difference! Some people can misunderstand.

Some things can easily irritate me, I'm not gonna lie. However, my general disposition is NOT grouchy at all. I'm actually a generally happy, kind person. I have no issue letting you know when I have a problem with something though! What's wrong with that?? I think I'm balanced.

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posted November 15, 2019 03:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
Which is exactly what someone who likes to argue would never do xo

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posted November 18, 2019 11:58 PM            

I used to bottle up my emotions a lot so I could be either very quiet or I gave a tirade, so I could really throw people off guard because they didn't know what to expect. Over time I've learned to control it better by not bottling up my emotions and have accepted this part of myself and I'm happier this way. Even then, I'm annoyed that people often think I'm being aggressive when I'm just presenting my points. Maybe my speech is too "passionate"? I don't know. Or when I'm just minding my own biz...staying cool... and they think I'm geared up to fight. I will fight if others pick one with me but mostly, I want peace. I hate it when people immediately assume I'm quarrelsome which cannot be further from the truth.

Anyway, I take comfort in this description on astrologyking.com - "Your emotional flair and dramatic displays are actually strong points which other people find sensual or downright sexy. With the Moon ruling the public and Mars ruling sex, you may become a sex symbol or be very attractive in other ways." 😆

I feel that the Moon-Mars energy can be difficult to understand by others if they don't have the same energy themselves. My ex was not very receptive of this part of me but my current guy who also has Moon square Mars gets me better. We have a lot of "passionate" exchanges (lol) and we like the honesty, passion we share between us.

posted November 19, 2019 05:56 AM            

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Originally posted by TrueScorpio:
I have moon square mars too but never connected this pattern before. But I have it Then my little Libra Venus is like why did you have to do that let's just keep the peace. Still that fiery Leo Mars just can't seem to let me quit this game. I like to stir the pot

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posted November 19, 2019 05:59 AM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
Reading this, I think Moon-Mars opposition is the same.

Even my Aries moon needs them to stop starting an argument.

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posted November 19, 2019 06:19 AM            

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I've Mars in Pisces square Moon in Sag and they formed a t-square with Gemini Venus with Mars as the apex. My Mars also square ASC, oh boy.

I used to bottle up my emotions a lot so I could be either very quiet or I gave a tirade, so I could really throw people off guard because they didn't know what to expect. Over time I've learned to control it better by not bottling up my emotions and have accepted this part of myself and I'm happier this way. Even then, I'm annoyed that people often think I'm being aggressive when I'm just presenting my points. Maybe my speech is too "passionate"? I don't know. Or when I'm just minding my own biz...staying cool... and they think I'm geared up to fight. I will fight if others pick one with me but mostly, I want peace. I hate it when people immediately assume I'm quarrelsome which cannot be further from the truth.

Anyway, I take comfort in this description on astrologyking.com - "Your emotional flair and dramatic displays are actually strong points which other people find sensual or downright sexy. With the Moon ruling the public and Mars ruling sex, you may become a sex symbol or be very attractive in other ways." 😆

I feel that the Moon-Mars energy can be difficult to understand by others if they don't have the same energy themselves. My ex was not very receptive of this part of me but my current guy who also has Moon square Mars gets me better. We have a lot of "passionate" exchanges (lol) and we like the honesty, passion we share between us.

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It is sexy. But in a very rugged way. Like you get the unedited version of real time feelings from these people.

Sometimes one can seem "addicted" to going after or chasing after those who are unattainable. Like Aries Moon, there is a love of challenges that arouses emotional feelings.

Sometimes its not even the "chase" that's arousing.But the "catch" or the win. Sexuality is tied up with hot feelings. The native may get married or jump into a relationship based on the feelings of the moment.

posted November 22, 2019 11:58 PM            

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Originally posted by TrueScorpio:
My sweet Aries23Degrees, I love that you are so funny and always so spot on. Oh, I can stir the spice into things! But I believe you too have a nice dose of Libra too. Do you ever just feel like why did I do it? I particularly love the battle of feelings just prior to such a 'stir' where I know I shouldn't say anything, I know there will be consequences, I know life would just be easier and all the while knowing I don't even care.

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Lol. Mine is more like I say what's on my mind. And it comes out so "raw". Because it comes from my gut. So it can be unfiltered.

posted November 23, 2019 08:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
It is sexy. But in a very rugged way. Like you get the unedited version of real time feelings from these people.

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And I get very turned on when someone gives me the unedited version of their feelings, even if it sounds convoluted. When my guy does that I just downright love him because I know he's being real and honest.

And I also really appreciate when someone gives me the honest "hey, I'm upset with you because...." talk. They shouldn't be insulting, of course, but I'll appreciate the honesty and willingness to talk to me about issues they have with me rather than telling the whole world about it except me.

posted November 23, 2019 08:38 AM            

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Originally posted by TrueScorpio:
Mine comes out like the true Scorpio that I am so it's delivered with eloquence yet stings. While I hold the Scorpio gaze I turn away think "$%*@ do you have to do that sh#t???"

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posted November 23, 2019 08:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
And I get very turned on when someone gives me the unedited version of their feelings, even if it sounds convoluted. When my guy does that I just downright love him because I know he's being real and honest.

And I also really appreciate when someone gives me the honest "hey, I'm upset with you because...." talk. They shouldn't be insulting, of course, but I'll appreciate the honesty and willingness to talk to me about issues they have with me rather than telling the whole world about it except me.

One thing Moon-Mars people should really learn is not to take things personally.

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Oh Hikaru,so do i.So do i.

Aries Moon is like that.Sag Moon too.You get the real gist of feelings.Sometimes very loaded.But honest.

One lady i know summed up her volatile temper in this way:" Its not that I take things personally.But it seems most things are personally taken to me"

I think that's the quirk you won't be able to help much.This especially if you have Mars in Cancer,Moon in Aries or Moon/Asc aspects(like me).

posted November 23, 2019 09:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Sag Moon too.

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You calling me? Lol.

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One lady i know summed up her volatile temper in this way:" Its not that I take things personally.But it seems most things are personally taken to me"

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I get this. When I think about it, 90% of the time I lost my temper, it was legit but people don't see it that way. They always see me as too sensitive, too unreasonable, etc... that's why I say people without natal Moon-Mars can never understand it. My guy with Moon-Mars can almost always understand why I'm triggered.

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What can happen is that most things feel like they are signed sealed and delivered to your doorstep And ths hot response you bring, is you.To suppress it is not always a great success story.

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posted November 23, 2019 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Suppression, in my experience, often leads to the eruption of Krakatoa. Haha... not wise. 🙅‍♀️ Healthy release of frustrations or a death warning works better.

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Do you have the aspect passed down from parents?

My Mom has Mars in Cancer.Dad has Cap Moon/Mars conjunct. They never married though. Mom married someone else.

I often wonder what the outcome.would.have been had they been crazy.enough to marry? Lawd have mercy! What a loud home it would have been.

posted November 23, 2019 04:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
Thanks for noting that one It leaves me in proper distress when people go "ooh this is too spicy" and I'm like "***** , this is tomato." lol
I absolutely understand. It's like people saying you like conflict, just because you don't run from one. Expressing your raw feelings, letting emotions spurt and having an opinion are two different things. I think it's sad that you couldn't just voice your own feelings regarding issues to a partner without them risking to take it as an attack to their values and all. But it's also understandable, when you're involved with someone, disagreement can constantly feel like it's a blow below the belt...
I think there's a line between reaction and opinion that most people are quick to forget. You curse at the table when you knock your pinkie on it, doesn't mean you are on a crusade to destroy all tables. Same thing applies to being triggered by someone's speech and reacting in a discussing manner, it doesn't mean you're in for conflict and argument, just that it triggered an emotion that opens a dialogue. But because emotions can happen so fast and surprise the person who feels them, they can appear as overwhelming to others and so they take them as some long held beliefs instead of just accepting that they have happened to you in an equally disturbing fashion.

Emotions are essentially farts. Everyone has them, most people will try to hide them unless they're close to the person; and no one ever wishes to, or should, be defined by them.

I like to toy with radical concepts or extreme sarcasm sometimes and I need to have bantering partners who can take that and not react in an emotional manner to my emotions, because sometimes you need a game of squash, not tennis. It's important to have these communication outlets for your emotions, just like sometimes it's important to act your thoughts and not be trapped in intellectualising them. It's always balance.

I agree the tortured artist cliche is a bit much and yes, it is very different from being lost in your daydreaming. I think sketching and such can be amazing ways to focus so they're not exactly getting lost, quite the opposite. I also think the need to channel emotions into something, whether art of physical activity doesn't have to mean the emotions are otherwise toxic or too much or problematic. I need my physical activity, but sometimes I'm tired and emotionally drained and I still go to dance class, still swim etc... and it fuels me, fills me with emotions, it's not always a release; so those are not dumpsters to me, they're real physical passions that have room for my emotions, whatever they are.
Walking is absolutely amazing, I love it. I have left flats to go walk out at night as well. Once in particular, after an aunt had died, half the family was crammed in that tiny flat and it was way too tense for me. I left around 3 am, walked til 6, brought breakfast for everyone from the nearby bakery; to this day I'm referred to as the post funeral hero when really, I had to save my life as the ambient sadness was tearing me apart.

The singing video link doesn't work, but girl, I love what you dance to. You dance, you live, it's as simple as that to me xx

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posted November 23, 2019 04:21 PM            

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Originally posted by TrueScorpio:
My sweet Aries23Degrees, I love that you are so funny and always so spot on. Oh, I can stir the spice into things! But I believe you too have a nice dose of Libra too. Do you ever just feel like why did I do it? I particularly love the battle of feelings just prior to such a 'stir' where I know I shouldn't say anything, I know there will be consequences

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Yes, I do wonder this, but I don't feel good about it. I rarely use the word triggered, I think I mentioned that before, but when I'm feeling off, and then something triggers me, I will kick myself for saying something. I panic, and wish I'd just kept quiet. I take responsibility for how I leave someone else feeling, and I'd prefer to leave someone feeling good, or better than they did.

Most of the time, when I do argue, it's when I've had enough. I've talked a lot abut my BIL, my sister, etc. She called me a man-hater for setting boundaries with her husband (as in: you do what you like, but I don't want to be around him). People expect me to take all kinds of crap that they would never take, like I'm a wall that you can throw anything against, and it won't even crack, and it will almost always be said that it's my fault that things are being thrown at me. That's when I just start telling people to **** off. I used to just go quiet, or yell for a bit, and then go quiet. I've spent my entire life trying to do the right thing, I'm understanding of others (most of the time), I try to be tactful, and then somehow everything is my fault? No.