posted November 23, 2019 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
@Aries23Degrees
Someone on another thread has mentioned the mars-moon square as an indication of difficulty in relationships with women and it got me curious about your thoughts on this, please 😊

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My sister and I both have the square natally, and you know how we are together... although we were typical sisters for years, fighting, and also having each others' backs. She has Moon in Pisces square Mars in Sagittarius, and I have Moon/Venus in Gemini, square Mars in Pisces. Her square is wider than mine.

posted November 23, 2019 05:39 PM            

My moon is conjunct my IC and my mars is in the 7th too (though not conj the DSC)!

This is an interesting aspect for me bc I believe it's my tightest square but I feel like I don't always relate to it. Idk maybe it's a blindspot or maybe it's the moon sextile saturn aspect that tones it down a bit. Having said that, I do notice that I'm most reactive in my home (moon in the 4th), with my family. If something annoys me, my family members will find out about it immediately lol. I do have a bit of a temper, and I can get defensive/reactionary very quick. But, again, I'm only comfortable doing that at home, outside of that I don't like losing my cool or getting defensive bc I don't like giving things away or feeling out of control. Within my friendships and romantic relationships, I appreciate directness and value clarity above all else. I tend to view "arguments" as conducive to reaching that clarity, I guess that sounds pretty moon square mars (?).

posted November 24, 2019 02:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Do you have the aspect passed down from parents?

My Mom has Mars in Cancer.Dad has Cap Moon/Mars conjunct. They never married though. Mom married someone else.

I often wonder what the outcome.would.have been had they been crazy.enough to marry? Lawd have mercy! What a loud home it would have been.

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Haha, how was their r/s like? I believe you'd be able to film their daily life and make it into a mini-series.

posted November 24, 2019 03:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
@Aries23Degrees
Someone on another thread has mentioned the mars-moon square as an indication of difficulty in relationships with women and it got me curious about your thoughts on this, please 😊

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They took the literal symbolism as war(Mars) against (square) women(Moon).But this is not all encompassing.

I see it manifest in many ways too.

fear of women/vagina "dismantling" their masculine image(and thereby declaring violence against the former), fragile masculinity,men controlled by women and resenting it,"men shouldn't wear dresses", bullied by women, declaring war on all things having to do with femininity i.e clothes,makeup,heels etc. women who play male dominated sports, women who prefer male company,men who are uncomfortable with "girly girls", men who prefer their women/men ultra feminine/ fragile so they can be seen as "the man", threatened by female sexuality,men who control women for fear of being dominated by them, misogyny,macho men & macho women, Mom is an aggressive figure, women's rights being fought for,women at war, women who take charge,Mom wears the pants,female warrior(Xena),rise of patriarchy at the expense of women,bodybuilding women,Men who drag/do female impersonations, women who like to wear boy clothes, transgender people, "camp" femininity in men , "tomboyish" masculinity in women,men who criticise women, one who feels that sensitivity inhibits them & resenting it,anti- "softness", interpreting vulnerability as a weakness, women who hate wearing make-up, people who dislike seeing tears or emotions shown by others and even shown by themselves, boys don't cry,"a real man doesn't show weakness", homophobia is really anti-feminine,androgynous clothes & people , hostile towards "soft" people/ those perceived as "soft" ,those who fear other people finding out how gentle they really are,insecurities showing on the surface,a constant state of feeling threatened & responding violently to someone who gets too close to you, men/ women who conceal sensitivity under muscles ,tears/ anger are just under the surface etc. "Don't touch me or get close to me!",intimacy that is hostile or a little rough on the edges,forced love or affection and in extreme cases -rape.

posted November 24, 2019 04:38 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
My sister and I both have the square natally, and you know how we are together... although we were typical sisters for years, fighting, and also having each others' backs. She has Moon in Pisces square Mars in Sagittarius, and I have Moon/Venus in Gemini, square Mars in Pisces. Her square is wider than mine.

I was scared of other girls for years, because of bullying, but I got over that. I see some women say that they prefer to be around men, who are apparently drama-free. that hasn't been my experience at all. Men can bring just as much drama as women. Oh, I need to go. It's getting dark, and I'm already late leaving the house, because something annoyed me, and I just laid down for a while, trying to get this sad feeling to pass.

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I was bullied myself when younger. Mine was racially motivated and it has since made me weary of white people in the country.

Is Chiron in aspect to Moon/Mars/Pluto or in the 1st house/Aries? It could add to that. My Chiron aspects Pluto in 7th.And I respond wity extremity to bullying tactics and subliminal manipulation.

I think when people see vulnerability in themselves, they project that vulnerability on to others.They bully others as a twisted conversation to themselves "If I hit and bully you.None will see that I am the one who is afraid."

In jail, newbies are advised to be as rough and tumble as possible so as to ward off being taken advantage of etc. by making examples of those whom seek to take advantage of them.

They don't trust anyone and don't alow others to get too close to them for fear of them "uncovering" how scared they really are. Or trusting someone whom may betray them.

Some unevolved people with Moon/Mars can be drawn to criminal activity and the "thug" lifestyle.Because it affords their reputation the "tough" image that disguises their fragile sense of self.

posted November 24, 2019 06:52 AM            

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Originally posted by mourningfire:
@aries23

My moon is conjunct my IC and my mars is in the 7th too (though not conj the DSC)!

This is an interesting aspect for me bc I believe it's my tightest square but I feel like I don't always relate to it. Idk maybe it's a blindspot or maybe it's the moon sextile saturn aspect that tones it down a bit. Having said that, I do notice that I'm most reactive in my home (moon in the 4th), with my family. If something annoys me, my family members will find out about it immediately lol. I do have a bit of a temper, and I can get defensive/reactionary very quick. But, again, I'm only comfortable doing that at home, outside of that I don't like losing my cool or getting defensive bc I don't like giving things away or feeling out of control. Within my friendships and romantic relationships, I appreciate directness and value clarity above all else. I tend to view "arguments" as conducive to reaching that clarity, I guess that sounds pretty moon square mars (?).

With mars in the 7th, I should be attracting confrontational people but honestly, most of my friends and the guys I've attracted have been kind of emotionally stunted/unavailable. I do find Martian energy attractive, though but only when it seems like they've got it under control, not when it's coming from an impulsive place. (I feel like this probably explains my love of Capricorns, they're cardinal so they're direct and go after what they want but only after extensive planning)

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posted November 24, 2019 06:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Haha, how was their r/s like? I believe you'd be able to film their daily life and make it into a mini-series.

My dad has Aries Moon trine Scorpio Mars. Mom has no Moon-Mars. Both my brothers also don't have Moon-Mars. No wonder they always called me a spoilt brat. 😭 Only dad never says that about me.

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posted November 24, 2019 08:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Before I was born,they went their separate ways.

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posted November 24, 2019 09:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Before I was born,they went their separate ways.

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Aih, don't be.My father was a rolling stone. He has Aqua Sun/Venus and so he was hard to get ahold of. My mother married my stepfather because he was more "stable".

posted November 24, 2019 09:53 AM            

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Originally posted by TrueScorpio:
Moon-Mars can represent femicide. The systematic killing of women/feminine archetype(externally) because of one's disconnect with their feminine principle internally. As within, so without etc.

Good morning Aries23Degrees. Another interpretation could be not the literal war (Mars) against women (Moon) but the disconnect and challenge of our feminine side our softer side, i.e., our feelings, emotions, that which makes feel vulnerable. To me this is at the heart of many, at least my own, internal conflicts. The question os "How much of myself can I reveal to you and still be strong or safe". Just a thought.

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Indeed it is. My interpretation would extend to say that "vulnerability" is strength. Its only upon revealing ones insides, that one feels authentic/empowered.

The idea is for the native to not hold feelings within. They must let them out and be honest with what they instinctually feel each and every time.

other person: Do you love me?

Moon-Mars person : (Angry) Of course I do damnit! Why won't you accept that?

posted November 27, 2019 05:57 PM            

My mother has the square, and ironically she is the one who classified (and still does) as being incredibly argumentative. She never came off that way to others, but she and I fought like cats and dogs. Our synastry doesn't help either. I have two children and one has the trine as well. She is the farthest from argumentative, but she is in air signs. My other has Mars in the 7th (earth), Moon in first (fire)- though they are not opposites. She is more stubborn than argumentative, but she will argue if pressed. Go figure.

posted November 28, 2019 06:09 AM            

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I have the trine of moon and mars but can relate to what you say. In my youth I was defined by others as constantly arguing for the sake of arguing. To me, it felt like I was simply expressing my opinion, or frustration, or emotion.

My mother has the square, and ironically she is the one who classified (and still does) as being incredibly argumentative. She never came off that way to others, but she and I fought like cats and dogs. Our synastry doesn't help either. I have two children and one has the trine as well. She is the farthest from argumentative, but she is in air signs. My other has Mars in the 7th (earth), Moon in first (fire)- though they are not opposites. She is more stubborn than argumentative, but she will argue if pressed. Go figure.

I never feel the ease of the trine, but a stop start action rather for my emotions. I do have mercury/Saturn inconjunct moon, and always attributed it to that. This has been a very interesting conversation for me to think about.

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The two are not complementary-this even with the trine. And that is because of their fundamental natures

Mars is the soldier and Moon is the nurturer. So as one can be destructive , the other is more restorative. But they somehow exist as one.

With the trine/sextile , I think the awareness of tension is not from within like the square.Nor is it "provoked" by the external(like the opposition).

I think it feels so "natural" to express oneself that one is hardly aware of how others receive them i.e one can be surprised if others say how "aggressive" they are. They don't feel like they are being aggressive at all.

With the square, I am aware I am being aggressive. There is an external situation that I wish to change because of the chasm within i.e " I feel fat and therefore I must exercise vigorously."

With the opposition, there is the external that motivates or compells one to act."You see, they made me do it."

With the trine /sextile, it feels easy i.e "Its good to blow off steam or get into a fight. At least you let the other person know where you stand."

Not all MMA fighters have squares or oppositions in their charts to warrant their anger or dissatisfaction. Some you may find have easy aspects and they just "enjoy" the sport.

They see no qualms with getting in the ring & swinging at someone. Surely, aggression is a part of man's nature rght? Man can't just be about peace and getting along.

They accept that violence and cooperation can exist like next door neighbors. And perhaps this aspect is the most naturally drawn to situations where the Mars nature is expressed easily.

I have sextile Mercury to Saturn and Venus/Mercury sextile. Both are very powerful in my ability to write and use words both effectively and beautifully. And it comes easy and naturally to me. I don't have to think too deeply about doing it.